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    A2C
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 11:59 AM ET #1

    2007: +12.45 units
    2008: +25.3 units
    2009: +7.81 units
     
    Andre Ward vs Edison Miranda
    Ward by decision (+220) (5 Dimes)
    2.27 units
     
     
    Posting a little earlier than usual this week after watching the line on this one drop over the last several days.  The Olympian from Oakland certainly has his work cut out for himself here against the aggressive Colombian.  That said, he will be fighting on his home turf against a fighter that may have lost a few steps following his crushing 4th round defeat to Arthur Abraham last June.  I would never count out a guy like Miranda - well, at least not at this stage of his career, but I do think Ward's handlers know what they are doing in matching their fighter with Pantera in what will be his most dangerous fight to date.  While I can see this fight going a number of different ways, I think it makes the most sense for Ward to use his speed to stay on the outside and attempt to box his way to a points win.  Ward is improving in the power department with each bout and there is the chance he catches Miranda with something big (and vice versa) but I see both men utilizing a more cautious approach with so much at stake.  For Ward, it's not only his biggest test to date, it's by far and away his most risky match up.  He's been rocked before by far less powerful fighters (Kost and Boone) and will need to be at his defensive best in order to avoid the Colombian's crushing jabs.  I can see Ward taking advantage of Miranda's over-aggressive tendencies by refusing to get caught up in a firefight on the inside.  If Ward has a chance to go for the kill, he will obviously have to take it.  I'm willing to take the risk, however, that Ward uses his superior boxing abilities to guide himself to what will be his biggest win to date via a hard fought decision. 
     
     
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    2007: +12.45 units
    2008: +25.3 units
    2009: +7.81 units
     
    Andre Ward vs Edison Miranda
    Ward by decision (+220) (5 Dimes)
    2.27 units
     
     
    Posting a little earlier than usual this week after watching the line on this one drop over the last several days.  The Olympian from Oakland certainly has his work cut out for himself here against the aggressive Colombian.  That said, he will be fighting on his home turf against a fighter that may have lost a few steps following his crushing 4th round defeat to Arthur Abraham last June.  I would never count out a guy like Miranda - well, at least not at this stage of his career, but I do think Ward's handlers know what they are doing in matching their fighter with Pantera in what will be his most dangerous fight to date.  While I can see this fight going a number of different ways, I think it makes the most sense for Ward to use his speed to stay on the outside and attempt to box his way to a points win.  Ward is improving in the power department with each bout and there is the chance he catches Miranda with something big (and vice versa) but I see both men utilizing a more cautious approach with so much at stake.  For Ward, it's not only his biggest test to date, it's by far and away his most risky match up.  He's been rocked before by far less powerful fighters (Kost and Boone) and will need to be at his defensive best in order to avoid the Colombian's crushing jabs.  I can see Ward taking advantage of Miranda's over-aggressive tendencies by refusing to get caught up in a firefight on the inside.  If Ward has a chance to go for the kill, he will obviously have to take it.  I'm willing to take the risk, however, that Ward uses his superior boxing abilities to guide himself to what will be his biggest win to date via a hard fought decision. 
     
     
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 12:30 PM ET #2



    Miranda's been hurt by every decent fighter he's fought and has suffered two bad KOs which may have dropped his punch resistance even lower.  Ward's a pretty good finisher so I think he eventually catches him with something flush that has Miranda dancing and takes him out, maybe around 8 or 9.

    +270's good value though, and I see that Ward by KO is only +106, which is definitely a lot less than I thought. 

    I think I'll be on the under here.  BOL
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    Miranda's been hurt by every decent fighter he's fought and has suffered two bad KOs which may have dropped his punch resistance even lower.  Ward's a pretty good finisher so I think he eventually catches him with something flush that has Miranda dancing and takes him out, maybe around 8 or 9.

    +270's good value though, and I see that Ward by KO is only +106, which is definitely a lot less than I thought. 

    I think I'll be on the under here.  BOL
     
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    Posted: May. 12, 2009 - 12:31 PM ET #3

    Oops, meant +220
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    Oops, meant +220
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 2:22 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:

    2007: +12.45 units
    2008: +25.3 units
    2009: +7.81 units
     
    Andre Ward vs Edison Miranda
    Ward by decision (+220) (5 Dimes)
    2.27 units
     
     
    Posting a little earlier than usual this week after watching the line on this one drop over the last several days.  The Olympian from Oakland certainly has his work cut out for himself here against the aggressive Colombian.  That said, he will be fighting on his home turf against a fighter that may have lost a few steps following his crushing 4th round defeat to Arthur Abraham last June.  I would never count out a guy like Miranda - well, at least not at this stage of his career, but I do think Ward's handlers know what they are doing in matching their fighter with Pantera in what will be his most dangerous fight to date.  While I can see this fight going a number of different ways, I think it makes the most sense for Ward to use his speed to stay on the outside and attempt to box his way to a points win.  Ward is improving in the power department with each bout and there is the chance he catches Miranda with something big (and vice versa) but I see both men utilizing a more cautious approach with so much at stake.  For Ward, it's not only his biggest test to date, it's by far and away his most risky match up.  He's been rocked before by far less powerful fighters (Kost and Boone) and will need to be at his defensive best in order to avoid the Colombian's crushing jabs.  I can see Ward taking advantage of Miranda's over-aggressive tendencies by refusing to get caught up in a firefight on the inside.  If Ward has a chance to go for the kill, he will obviously have to take it.  I'm willing to take the risk, however, that Ward uses his superior boxing abilities to guide himself to what will be his biggest win to date via a hard fought decision. 
     
     


    Wow I see this fight NOT going the distance, Miranda at 28  in a previous write I wrote his last 2 fights, he came in at 173 almost 174 and almost 179, this was a guy before Pavlik  was coming in UNDER 160.

    Looks like  he gave up on his boxing career, he was always a come forward fighter anyways who has a punch, but any pure technically sound boxer can dispose of him quickly.

    He knows the canvas very well lately, I think he is going  after Ward very early as he knows Ward has had trouble EARLY in fights. I think after the 4th if Ward is still there, Ward will demolish Miranda who I believe didn't even train for this fight.

    He fought some BUM Joey Vegas in UK! March 20th, and came in at almost 179, I don't even think was was "after the weigh in" this was before (according to boxrec.com).

    It's only Mid may, the mere fact he fought so recently, (I think it was a 1st round tko)  at such a heavy fat weight, in the UK shows Miranda is done and WARD's manager knows exactly what he's doing.

    Once Pavlik Disposed of him and Abraham at 168 and (no broken jaw this time) Miranda gave up on winning goes for KO's now and he is NOT a distance fighter anymore.

    I believe he either takes Ward out quickly because Ward can be caught early, after 4 rounds Ward disposes of Miranda, how long I don't know but NO way the Bell rings for the final round!

    I envision that fight being a tko stoppage in favor of Ward.

    But the fight to NOT go the Distance at -220 is too sweet to pass up! Covers both fighters in case Miranda does get lucky, in case he doesn't Ward covers by disposing of the over weight Miranda.

    I wish you the best of luck, personally Edison Miranda is one fighter who cannot go the distance anymore. Coming in at 173 and 179 .. shows lack of respect for the sport and himself. After 4 rounds Miranda doesn't have a prayer.

    Good Luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:

    2007: +12.45 units
    2008: +25.3 units
    2009: +7.81 units
     
    Andre Ward vs Edison Miranda
    Ward by decision (+220) (5 Dimes)
    2.27 units
     
     
    Posting a little earlier than usual this week after watching the line on this one drop over the last several days.  The Olympian from Oakland certainly has his work cut out for himself here against the aggressive Colombian.  That said, he will be fighting on his home turf against a fighter that may have lost a few steps following his crushing 4th round defeat to Arthur Abraham last June.  I would never count out a guy like Miranda - well, at least not at this stage of his career, but I do think Ward's handlers know what they are doing in matching their fighter with Pantera in what will be his most dangerous fight to date.  While I can see this fight going a number of different ways, I think it makes the most sense for Ward to use his speed to stay on the outside and attempt to box his way to a points win.  Ward is improving in the power department with each bout and there is the chance he catches Miranda with something big (and vice versa) but I see both men utilizing a more cautious approach with so much at stake.  For Ward, it's not only his biggest test to date, it's by far and away his most risky match up.  He's been rocked before by far less powerful fighters (Kost and Boone) and will need to be at his defensive best in order to avoid the Colombian's crushing jabs.  I can see Ward taking advantage of Miranda's over-aggressive tendencies by refusing to get caught up in a firefight on the inside.  If Ward has a chance to go for the kill, he will obviously have to take it.  I'm willing to take the risk, however, that Ward uses his superior boxing abilities to guide himself to what will be his biggest win to date via a hard fought decision. 
     
     


    Wow I see this fight NOT going the distance, Miranda at 28  in a previous write I wrote his last 2 fights, he came in at 173 almost 174 and almost 179, this was a guy before Pavlik  was coming in UNDER 160.

    Looks like  he gave up on his boxing career, he was always a come forward fighter anyways who has a punch, but any pure technically sound boxer can dispose of him quickly.

    He knows the canvas very well lately, I think he is going  after Ward very early as he knows Ward has had trouble EARLY in fights. I think after the 4th if Ward is still there, Ward will demolish Miranda who I believe didn't even train for this fight.

    He fought some BUM Joey Vegas in UK! March 20th, and came in at almost 179, I don't even think was was "after the weigh in" this was before (according to boxrec.com).

    It's only Mid may, the mere fact he fought so recently, (I think it was a 1st round tko)  at such a heavy fat weight, in the UK shows Miranda is done and WARD's manager knows exactly what he's doing.

    Once Pavlik Disposed of him and Abraham at 168 and (no broken jaw this time) Miranda gave up on winning goes for KO's now and he is NOT a distance fighter anymore.

    I believe he either takes Ward out quickly because Ward can be caught early, after 4 rounds Ward disposes of Miranda, how long I don't know but NO way the Bell rings for the final round!

    I envision that fight being a tko stoppage in favor of Ward.

    But the fight to NOT go the Distance at -220 is too sweet to pass up! Covers both fighters in case Miranda does get lucky, in case he doesn't Ward covers by disposing of the over weight Miranda.

    I wish you the best of luck, personally Edison Miranda is one fighter who cannot go the distance anymore. Coming in at 173 and 179 .. shows lack of respect for the sport and himself. After 4 rounds Miranda doesn't have a prayer.

    Good Luck!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:



    Wow I see this fight NOT going the distance, Miranda at 28  in a previous write I wrote his last 2 fights, he came in at 173 almost 174 and almost 179, this was a guy before Pavlik  was coming in UNDER 160.

    Looks like  he gave up on his boxing career, he was always a come forward fighter anyways who has a punch, but any pure technically sound boxer can dispose of him quickly.

    He knows the canvas very well lately, I think he is going  after Ward very early as he knows Ward has had trouble EARLY in fights. I think after the 4th if Ward is still there, Ward will demolish Miranda who I believe didn't even train for this fight.

    He fought some BUM Joey Vegas in UK! March 20th, and came in at almost 179, I don't even think was was "after the weigh in" this was before (according to boxrec.com).

    It's only Mid may, the mere fact he fought so recently, (I think it was a 1st round tko)  at such a heavy fat weight, in the UK shows Miranda is done and WARD's manager knows exactly what he's doing.

    Once Pavlik Disposed of him and Abraham at 168 and (no broken jaw this time) Miranda gave up on winning goes for KO's now and he is NOT a distance fighter anymore.

    I believe he either takes Ward out quickly because Ward can be caught early, after 4 rounds Ward disposes of Miranda, how long I don't know but NO way the Bell rings for the final round!

    I envision that fight being a tko stoppage in favor of Ward.

    But the fight to NOT go the Distance at -220 is too sweet to pass up! Covers both fighters in case Miranda does get lucky, in case he doesn't Ward covers by disposing of the over weight Miranda.

    I wish you the best of luck, personally Edison Miranda is one fighter who cannot go the distance anymore. Coming in at 173 and 179 .. shows lack of respect for the sport and himself. After 4 rounds Miranda doesn't have a prayer.

    Good Luck!

    gotta agree with you but at -300 ward is easy money.....i like ward itd...i made it clear about my thoughts on miranda

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:



    Wow I see this fight NOT going the distance, Miranda at 28  in a previous write I wrote his last 2 fights, he came in at 173 almost 174 and almost 179, this was a guy before Pavlik  was coming in UNDER 160.

    Looks like  he gave up on his boxing career, he was always a come forward fighter anyways who has a punch, but any pure technically sound boxer can dispose of him quickly.

    He knows the canvas very well lately, I think he is going  after Ward very early as he knows Ward has had trouble EARLY in fights. I think after the 4th if Ward is still there, Ward will demolish Miranda who I believe didn't even train for this fight.

    He fought some BUM Joey Vegas in UK! March 20th, and came in at almost 179, I don't even think was was "after the weigh in" this was before (according to boxrec.com).

    It's only Mid may, the mere fact he fought so recently, (I think it was a 1st round tko)  at such a heavy fat weight, in the UK shows Miranda is done and WARD's manager knows exactly what he's doing.

    Once Pavlik Disposed of him and Abraham at 168 and (no broken jaw this time) Miranda gave up on winning goes for KO's now and he is NOT a distance fighter anymore.

    I believe he either takes Ward out quickly because Ward can be caught early, after 4 rounds Ward disposes of Miranda, how long I don't know but NO way the Bell rings for the final round!

    I envision that fight being a tko stoppage in favor of Ward.

    But the fight to NOT go the Distance at -220 is too sweet to pass up! Covers both fighters in case Miranda does get lucky, in case he doesn't Ward covers by disposing of the over weight Miranda.

    I wish you the best of luck, personally Edison Miranda is one fighter who cannot go the distance anymore. Coming in at 173 and 179 .. shows lack of respect for the sport and himself. After 4 rounds Miranda doesn't have a prayer.

    Good Luck!

    gotta agree with you but at -300 ward is easy money.....i like ward itd...i made it clear about my thoughts on miranda

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 4:02 AM ET #6

    It's gonna be Ward Ward Ward, I think.
    I think the fight ends by TKO more likely as Miranda, like Hatton, has "heart".
    He stops or gets stopped a great deal.
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    It's gonna be Ward Ward Ward, I think.
    I think the fight ends by TKO more likely as Miranda, like Hatton, has "heart".
    He stops or gets stopped a great deal.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 4:54 AM ET #7

    Miranda's last five fights have not seen round eight.
    Ward has a 66% TKO ratio, and quite a few of those happened in the first three rounds.
    Tomato cans, perhaps, but still something to note.
    Remember, after round six or so, Miranda has a similar appearance to a journeyman fighter.
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    Miranda's last five fights have not seen round eight.
    Ward has a 66% TKO ratio, and quite a few of those happened in the first three rounds.
    Tomato cans, perhaps, but still something to note.
    Remember, after round six or so, Miranda has a similar appearance to a journeyman fighter.
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 8:47 AM ET #8

    The under...
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    The under...
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 10:34 PM ET #9

    Good job man.
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    Good job man.
     
    nuttyrich
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 10:39 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:

    2007: +12.45 units
    2008: +25.3 units
    2009: +7.81 units
     
    Andre Ward vs Edison Miranda
    Ward by decision (+220) (5 Dimes)
    2.27 units
     
     
    Posting a little earlier than usual this week after watching the line on this one drop over the last several days.  The Olympian from Oakland certainly has his work cut out for himself here against the aggressive Colombian.  That said, he will be fighting on his home turf against a fighter that may have lost a few steps following his crushing 4th round defeat to Arthur Abraham last June.  I would never count out a guy like Miranda - well, at least not at this stage of his career, but I do think Ward's handlers know what they are doing in matching their fighter with Pantera in what will be his most dangerous fight to date.  While I can see this fight going a number of different ways, I think it makes the most sense for Ward to use his speed to stay on the outside and attempt to box his way to a points win.  Ward is improving in the power department with each bout and there is the chance he catches Miranda with something big (and vice versa) but I see both men utilizing a more cautious approach with so much at stake.  For Ward, it's not only his biggest test to date, it's by far and away his most risky match up.  He's been rocked before by far less powerful fighters (Kost and Boone) and will need to be at his defensive best in order to avoid the Colombian's crushing jabs.  I can see Ward taking advantage of Miranda's over-aggressive tendencies by refusing to get caught up in a firefight on the inside.  If Ward has a chance to go for the kill, he will obviously have to take it.  I'm willing to take the risk, however, that Ward uses his superior boxing abilities to guide himself to what will be his biggest win to date via a hard fought decision. 
     
     


    Congrats on taking the +220. I think ward needs to show the finisher mentality to really shine, he severely outclassed Miranda and the fight was a joke, even better was one Judge had it 116-112 lol!

    This is why I hate high priced fights on fighters who have fought no one, against a guy I know who is washed up. Ward wanted to finish Miranda badly but his corner told him to step off the pedal in rounds 10 and 11 and in round 12 they said let your hands loose... weird strategy but nice boxing Clinic for Ward!

    Congrats again you got the best possible outcome and payout from a hard fight to wager on because of such a high line on Ward forced many to PROP the fight, PROPS to you for picking the correct one!


    Enjoy!
     Rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by A2C:

    2007: +12.45 units
    2008: +25.3 units
    2009: +7.81 units
     
    Andre Ward vs Edison Miranda
    Ward by decision (+220) (5 Dimes)
    2.27 units
     
     
    Posting a little earlier than usual this week after watching the line on this one drop over the last several days.  The Olympian from Oakland certainly has his work cut out for himself here against the aggressive Colombian.  That said, he will be fighting on his home turf against a fighter that may have lost a few steps following his crushing 4th round defeat to Arthur Abraham last June.  I would never count out a guy like Miranda - well, at least not at this stage of his career, but I do think Ward's handlers know what they are doing in matching their fighter with Pantera in what will be his most dangerous fight to date.  While I can see this fight going a number of different ways, I think it makes the most sense for Ward to use his speed to stay on the outside and attempt to box his way to a points win.  Ward is improving in the power department with each bout and there is the chance he catches Miranda with something big (and vice versa) but I see both men utilizing a more cautious approach with so much at stake.  For Ward, it's not only his biggest test to date, it's by far and away his most risky match up.  He's been rocked before by far less powerful fighters (Kost and Boone) and will need to be at his defensive best in order to avoid the Colombian's crushing jabs.  I can see Ward taking advantage of Miranda's over-aggressive tendencies by refusing to get caught up in a firefight on the inside.  If Ward has a chance to go for the kill, he will obviously have to take it.  I'm willing to take the risk, however, that Ward uses his superior boxing abilities to guide himself to what will be his biggest win to date via a hard fought decision. 
     
     


    Congrats on taking the +220. I think ward needs to show the finisher mentality to really shine, he severely outclassed Miranda and the fight was a joke, even better was one Judge had it 116-112 lol!

    This is why I hate high priced fights on fighters who have fought no one, against a guy I know who is washed up. Ward wanted to finish Miranda badly but his corner told him to step off the pedal in rounds 10 and 11 and in round 12 they said let your hands loose... weird strategy but nice boxing Clinic for Ward!

    Congrats again you got the best possible outcome and payout from a hard fight to wager on because of such a high line on Ward forced many to PROP the fight, PROPS to you for picking the correct one!


    Enjoy!
     Rich
     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2009 - 11:25 PM ET #11

    I still can never understand what's wrong with laying 3-1 on a 6-1 shot?
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    I still can never understand what's wrong with laying 3-1 on a 6-1 shot?
     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2009 - 1:09 AM ET #12

    Nice call 
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    Nice call 
     
    Zumbize
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    Posted: May. 17, 2009 - 1:59 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:

    I still can never understand what's wrong with laying 3-1 on a 6-1 shot?


    It's not "wrong" per se, but it's a style of gambling that will put you in a hole in a hurry when the dogs start biting. If you can accept that risk, and accept the big losses that will happen periodically, you can make it work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:

    I still can never understand what's wrong with laying 3-1 on a 6-1 shot?


    It's not "wrong" per se, but it's a style of gambling that will put you in a hole in a hurry when the dogs start biting. If you can accept that risk, and accept the big losses that will happen periodically, you can make it work.
     
     
    capmaster2000
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    Posted: May. 17, 2009 - 4:15 PM ET #14

    if you regularly lay chalk on 3:1 shots that you feel should be 6:1 shots, and you're not delusional - that's called value.  you'll end up way ahead in the long run.  obviously this was a fight that ward should of easily been 6:1 and anyone who laid 3:1 was playing smart. 

    of course, much smarter would of been the +220 that A2C layed...
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    if you regularly lay chalk on 3:1 shots that you feel should be 6:1 shots, and you're not delusional - that's called value.  you'll end up way ahead in the long run.  obviously this was a fight that ward should of easily been 6:1 and anyone who laid 3:1 was playing smart. 

    of course, much smarter would of been the +220 that A2C layed...
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