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    Victor Ortiz vs. Luis Collazo

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    TARMAC
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2014 - 8:25 AM ET #1

    Victor Ortiz vs. Luis Collazo
    January 30, 2014
    Barclays Center
    Brooklyn, NY
    Fox Sports 1

    I have not yet found any odds posted for this fight. Is this fight still happening? If yes, do any sportsbooks have odds available?

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    Victor Ortiz vs. Luis Collazo
    January 30, 2014
    Barclays Center
    Brooklyn, NY
    Fox Sports 1

    I have not yet found any odds posted for this fight. Is this fight still happening? If yes, do any sportsbooks have odds available?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2014 - 8:31 AM ET #2

    I realize this is not ground breaking news but I find his constant ranting comical.

    When asked about a potential match-up against Alvarez, Ortiz’ answer was straight to the point.
    “Absolutely, why not? I already said it, 147 or 154, when I’m back opponents are done. I’m hungry, very hungry. “

    When tasked with choosing a victor between the two it was clear that the Maidana loss stills resonates with Ortiz.
    “It’s a no brainer, bro. Hands down, Broner. That fight’s a joke. I mean, what Maidana did with me, if you go back and watch the replay of my fight with Maidana, I walked straight into a straight-right. Big deal. I got up, I didn’t remember getting up, but I fought him for six rounds like that, on auto-pilot and I was still whoopin’ that behind. So, you be the judge, but Broner hands down, no big deal.”

    “Just pay attention on January 30th, and you’re gonna see my opponents are in trouble.”

    The above information (in blue and red) was provided by “Tha Boxing Voice” on December 13, 2013. I didn't see a video or hear an interview, but that is what they posted.

    That’s very boisterous for a guy with a fighting heart smaller than a pea.

    In 2009 he came in highly touted against Maidana, and although ahead 48-45 on all three judges scorecards, he was hurt in the 6th round and quit.

    After winning a great fight against Andre Berto in 2011, fans believed he proved his worth.

    Later in 2011 he fought Mayweather, and he showed his true colors in a cowardly intentional head-butt and then the hands down knockdown followed by bad acting. Another quit in a championship fight.

    In a 2012 championship bout he was physically destroying Josesito Lopez and ahead on all three scorecards but got his jaw broke in the 9th round and no surprise that he quit again. That’s THREE quits. I could understand the broken jaw, but his previous performances showed he’s a quitter when it gets rough.

     

    It’s hard to call any pro fighter a quitter because of the grit it takes to be one, but Victor Ortiz has proved what he is.

    Does anyone object?

    All opinions are warmly welcomed.

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    I realize this is not ground breaking news but I find his constant ranting comical.

    When asked about a potential match-up against Alvarez, Ortiz’ answer was straight to the point.
    “Absolutely, why not? I already said it, 147 or 154, when I’m back opponents are done. I’m hungry, very hungry. “

    When tasked with choosing a victor between the two it was clear that the Maidana loss stills resonates with Ortiz.
    “It’s a no brainer, bro. Hands down, Broner. That fight’s a joke. I mean, what Maidana did with me, if you go back and watch the replay of my fight with Maidana, I walked straight into a straight-right. Big deal. I got up, I didn’t remember getting up, but I fought him for six rounds like that, on auto-pilot and I was still whoopin’ that behind. So, you be the judge, but Broner hands down, no big deal.”

    “Just pay attention on January 30th, and you’re gonna see my opponents are in trouble.”

    The above information (in blue and red) was provided by “Tha Boxing Voice” on December 13, 2013. I didn't see a video or hear an interview, but that is what they posted.

    That’s very boisterous for a guy with a fighting heart smaller than a pea.

    In 2009 he came in highly touted against Maidana, and although ahead 48-45 on all three judges scorecards, he was hurt in the 6th round and quit.

    After winning a great fight against Andre Berto in 2011, fans believed he proved his worth.

    Later in 2011 he fought Mayweather, and he showed his true colors in a cowardly intentional head-butt and then the hands down knockdown followed by bad acting. Another quit in a championship fight.

    In a 2012 championship bout he was physically destroying Josesito Lopez and ahead on all three scorecards but got his jaw broke in the 9th round and no surprise that he quit again. That’s THREE quits. I could understand the broken jaw, but his previous performances showed he’s a quitter when it gets rough.

     

    It’s hard to call any pro fighter a quitter because of the grit it takes to be one, but Victor Ortiz has proved what he is.

    Does anyone object?

    All opinions are warmly welcomed.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2014 - 11:49 PM ET #3

    I was hoping to hear off any odds available, but it appears not likely. Also, apparently the boxing forum here must have had enough of Victor Ortiz, or (me) my article, the match, a few of the previous, or all the previous. LOL!

    Anyone that sees any odds available, a reply would be much appreciated. Thanks Again!

    BTW - It appears the Cover's Boxing Forum has diminished and lost many handicappers that posted years ago according to what I've read in posts lately, and also I don't recognize any names from years ago except for the one post  "Whatever Happened to these guys ?" by MIXED_NUTS ! Your post was good MIXED_NUTS as it did show that many still view, but rarely post. I've always read since day one, but never posted here.

     

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    I was hoping to hear off any odds available, but it appears not likely. Also, apparently the boxing forum here must have had enough of Victor Ortiz, or (me) my article, the match, a few of the previous, or all the previous. LOL!

    Anyone that sees any odds available, a reply would be much appreciated. Thanks Again!

    BTW - It appears the Cover's Boxing Forum has diminished and lost many handicappers that posted years ago according to what I've read in posts lately, and also I don't recognize any names from years ago except for the one post  "Whatever Happened to these guys ?" by MIXED_NUTS ! Your post was good MIXED_NUTS as it did show that many still view, but rarely post. I've always read since day one, but never posted here.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2014 - 1:10 PM ET #4

    Ortiz -188
    Collazo +150 
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    Ortiz -188
    Collazo +150 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2014 - 9:59 PM ET #5

    Ortiz -155 at 5D

    I like him to win a very tight decision.
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    Ortiz -155 at 5D

    I like him to win a very tight decision.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 12:16 PM ET #6

    Tough fight to pick. Ortiz has had some odd ring moments thus far in his career. While Collazo is somewhat of an enigma. But if, and it's a big IF, if Ortiz is right, he can fight with power AND speed. And it will be too much for Collazo to handle.

    Collazo to win

    Straddled with Ortiz by KO. 

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    Tough fight to pick. Ortiz has had some odd ring moments thus far in his career. While Collazo is somewhat of an enigma. But if, and it's a big IF, if Ortiz is right, he can fight with power AND speed. And it will be too much for Collazo to handle.

    Collazo to win

    Straddled with Ortiz by KO. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 2:33 PM ET #7

    I dont see how Ortiz losses this fight. Im with you guys. Hand picked opponent in every sense of the term. Ortiz easy, just oike the other GB fighters on this showcase card.
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    I dont see how Ortiz losses this fight. Im with you guys. Hand picked opponent in every sense of the term. Ortiz easy, just oike the other GB fighters on this showcase card.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 2:43 PM ET #8

    TARMAC, you are giving the forum some life   I also think Ortiz is getting little respect in this match. Collazo cannot hit hard enough to back Ortiz into a defensive mode. The difference in punching power is too one sided and Ortiz will grow in confidence as the fight wears on. GL everyone except the one jerkoff in Jersey
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    TARMAC, you are giving the forum some life   I also think Ortiz is getting little respect in this match. Collazo cannot hit hard enough to back Ortiz into a defensive mode. The difference in punching power is too one sided and Ortiz will grow in confidence as the fight wears on. GL everyone except the one jerkoff in Jersey
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 7:28 PM ET #9

    I don't know if I agree with the notion that Ortiz quit in the mayweather fight. He threw that headbutt after his best flurry (albeit minor) of the fight and he showed some feistiness and speed. I think Collazo is a step behind and the thing that scares me most is the fact that everyone is on Ortiz and I just took him -175. I also threw 25 dollars on arnett +400 because I genuinely believe Gomez is being overvalued because of a fight from 9 years ago and you never know what can happen with 2 young hungry kids who have never been 10 rounds before. As always best of luck.
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    I don't know if I agree with the notion that Ortiz quit in the mayweather fight. He threw that headbutt after his best flurry (albeit minor) of the fight and he showed some feistiness and speed. I think Collazo is a step behind and the thing that scares me most is the fact that everyone is on Ortiz and I just took him -175. I also threw 25 dollars on arnett +400 because I genuinely believe Gomez is being overvalued because of a fight from 9 years ago and you never know what can happen with 2 young hungry kids who have never been 10 rounds before. As always best of luck.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 8:05 PM ET #10

    Wrong Gomez buddy, was 12 years oldn9nyears ago. I agree with you about yhe Mayweather fight, he got screwed that night.
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    Wrong Gomez buddy, was 12 years oldn9nyears ago. I agree with you about yhe Mayweather fight, he got screwed that night.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 9:04 PM ET #11

    Walk-

    https://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/7287/gomez-arnett-ready-for-rematch

    Eddie Gomez may well (and probably will) school him again but hey why not? 
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    Walk-

    https://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/7287/gomez-arnett-ready-for-rematch

    Eddie Gomez may well (and probably will) school him again but hey why not? 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 10:10 PM ET #12

    They met 9 years ago when they were 12 years old 
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    They met 9 years ago when they were 12 years old 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 11:18 PM ET #13

    Ortiz should just hang up the gloves. He got hit for sure but the dog in him came out again.
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    Ortiz should just hang up the gloves. He got hit for sure but the dog in him came out again.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 11:20 PM ET #14

    Time for this pansy to go into modeling or something. He just doesn't have the heart for this sport.
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    Time for this pansy to go into modeling or something. He just doesn't have the heart for this sport.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 11:21 PM ET #15

    Ortiz has now quit 4 times in a fight. Maidana. Floyd. Lopez. Now Collazo. It's a trend, not a coincidence.

    Collazo is NOT a puncher. Someone with heart at least attempts to stand up there at the end of the round. He was on his knees. Not his back.
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    Ortiz has now quit 4 times in a fight. Maidana. Floyd. Lopez. Now Collazo. It's a trend, not a coincidence.

    Collazo is NOT a puncher. Someone with heart at least attempts to stand up there at the end of the round. He was on his knees. Not his back.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 11:22 PM ET #16

    It seemed like he was determined to have a quick night one way or the other.
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    It seemed like he was determined to have a quick night one way or the other.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 11:24 PM ET #17

    On his knees is right... That's where he will be when he's in uncle Al Haymons office begging for another meaningful fight.....p u s s y 
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    On his knees is right... That's where he will be when he's in uncle Al Haymons office begging for another meaningful fight.....p u s s y 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2014 - 11:24 PM ET #18

    You're right, he threw his head between the ropes. The rat person fooled me again.
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    You're right, he threw his head between the ropes. The rat person fooled me again.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2014 - 12:17 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    Ortiz has now quit 4 times in a fight. Maidana. Floyd. Lopez. Now Collazo. It's a trend, not a coincidence.

    Collazo is NOT a puncher. Someone with heart at least attempts to stand up there at the end of the round. He was on his knees. Not his back.

    This. He gets up he has the entire break to regroup and go into survival mode the next round. He made absolutely no attempt to get up. Soft as puppy garbage, same as he always was... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    Ortiz has now quit 4 times in a fight. Maidana. Floyd. Lopez. Now Collazo. It's a trend, not a coincidence.

    Collazo is NOT a puncher. Someone with heart at least attempts to stand up there at the end of the round. He was on his knees. Not his back.

    This. He gets up he has the entire break to regroup and go into survival mode the next round. He made absolutely no attempt to get up. Soft as puppy garbage, same as he always was... 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2014 - 12:40 PM ET #20

    Yet another odd ring moment for our boy Victor. I rarely straddle but because of his anamolous career felt it was appropriate this particular time. 

     

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    Yet another odd ring moment for our boy Victor. I rarely straddle but because of his anamolous career felt it was appropriate this particular time. 

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 1:04 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    TARMAC, you are giving the forum some life   I also think Ortiz is getting little respect in this match. Collazo cannot hit hard enough to back Ortiz into a defensive mode. The difference in punching power is too one sided and Ortiz will grow in confidence as the fight wears on. GL everyone except the one jerkoff in Jersey

    Thanks LRM704 and others for the support. My apologies for not following up posts prior to the fights as the week was unexpectedly busy.
    My pre-fight analysis similair as others, but my final analysis prior to the fight was such.
    Here we have two fighters that are quite the opposite in most aspects. Collazo, an aged fighter with grit and some previously losses that were vicious has succeeded so long as he a true fighters heart, but does lack the physical attributes needed to beat top level fighters.
    He has much experience and it might serve him well in the fight. Looking at the physical dynamics, Ortiz who seems to quit at the first sign of difficulties, has made it on pure physical skills, and his speed and power will be overwhelming to Collazo. One thing I remember, being around trainers, fighters, etc... there was a common motto.
    We can make you faster, stronger and teach you how to fight, the one ingredient we cannot give you is heart. That really sat with me considering Ortiz and his previous performances. People that are not experienced in such think a man with skills of destruction psyches fighters out more than anything.
    Although it is true it is much more intimidating when you give an opponents everything you got for several rounds, and he is up ready to go for next round starts. Fighters with heart continue even though it is an intimidating and humbling experience.
    Ortiz lacks that heart in every manner. Had the fight been +300 or more, I would have gone small with Collazo as I know he comes to fight, but I was uncertain of his match-up with physical skills.I had concern if a cut or swelling started early on Collazo, Ortiz would have the much needed confidence to finish or wait out a stoppage.
    I held off and have yet to watch the fight, but I have read the posts. As I stated, Ortiz quits, and his boasting of fighters to be weary only proves his lack of confidence in himself as real fighters speak in the ring, he was doing all of it outside the ring He quits, that's all he shown previously, and apparently again.

    I have been reading this forum since its inception, but had yet to post. Good luck and thanks again everyone for the support and the welcomes to the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    TARMAC, you are giving the forum some life   I also think Ortiz is getting little respect in this match. Collazo cannot hit hard enough to back Ortiz into a defensive mode. The difference in punching power is too one sided and Ortiz will grow in confidence as the fight wears on. GL everyone except the one jerkoff in Jersey

    Thanks LRM704 and others for the support. My apologies for not following up posts prior to the fights as the week was unexpectedly busy.
    My pre-fight analysis similair as others, but my final analysis prior to the fight was such.
    Here we have two fighters that are quite the opposite in most aspects. Collazo, an aged fighter with grit and some previously losses that were vicious has succeeded so long as he a true fighters heart, but does lack the physical attributes needed to beat top level fighters.
    He has much experience and it might serve him well in the fight. Looking at the physical dynamics, Ortiz who seems to quit at the first sign of difficulties, has made it on pure physical skills, and his speed and power will be overwhelming to Collazo. One thing I remember, being around trainers, fighters, etc... there was a common motto.
    We can make you faster, stronger and teach you how to fight, the one ingredient we cannot give you is heart. That really sat with me considering Ortiz and his previous performances. People that are not experienced in such think a man with skills of destruction psyches fighters out more than anything.
    Although it is true it is much more intimidating when you give an opponents everything you got for several rounds, and he is up ready to go for next round starts. Fighters with heart continue even though it is an intimidating and humbling experience.
    Ortiz lacks that heart in every manner. Had the fight been +300 or more, I would have gone small with Collazo as I know he comes to fight, but I was uncertain of his match-up with physical skills.I had concern if a cut or swelling started early on Collazo, Ortiz would have the much needed confidence to finish or wait out a stoppage.
    I held off and have yet to watch the fight, but I have read the posts. As I stated, Ortiz quits, and his boasting of fighters to be weary only proves his lack of confidence in himself as real fighters speak in the ring, he was doing all of it outside the ring He quits, that's all he shown previously, and apparently again.

    I have been reading this forum since its inception, but had yet to post. Good luck and thanks again everyone for the support and the welcomes to the forum.

     
    BigPapa21
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2014 - 3:09 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by TARMAC:

    I was hoping to hear off any odds available, but it appears not likely. Also, apparently the boxing forum here must have had enough of Victor Ortiz, or (me) my article, the match, a few of the previous, or all the previous. LOL!

    Anyone that sees any odds available, a reply would be much appreciated. Thanks Agai

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    BTW - It appears the Cover's Boxing Forum has diminished and lost many handicappers that posted years ago according to what I've read in posts lately, and also I don't recognize any names from years ago except for the one post  "Whatever Happened to these guys ?" by MIXED_NUTS ! Your post was good MIXED_NUTS as it did show that many still view, but rarely post. I've always read since day one, but never posted here.

     

     

     I think you posted on here under a different name. Just my opinion.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TARMAC:

    I was hoping to hear off any odds available, but it appears not likely. Also, apparently the boxing forum here must have had enough of Victor Ortiz, or (me) my article, the match, a few of the previous, or all the previous. LOL!

    Anyone that sees any odds available, a reply would be much appreciated. Thanks Agai

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    BTW - It appears the Cover's Boxing Forum has diminished and lost many handicappers that posted years ago according to what I've read in posts lately, and also I don't recognize any names from years ago except for the one post  "Whatever Happened to these guys ?" by MIXED_NUTS ! Your post was good MIXED_NUTS as it did show that many still view, but rarely post. I've always read since day one, but never posted here.

     

     

     I think you posted on here under a different name. Just my opinion.....

     
     
    TARMAC
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2014 - 9:02 PM ET #23

    That's alright by me BigPappa21, as it would seem odd to post now after such a long time reading. Very good assumption, but I have no tout service to offer, no ulterior motive, nothing but the  posts with information and opinion which I offer at ONLY 50 Euros, or consider it only 4 cups of coffee per month over the entire year. If we lose are MEGA BUSTER 2 TEAM PARLAY, you will get all next weeks 1,000 star plays for FREE! That's a savings of $1,500!  LOL- Joking of course, I couldn't help myself after years watching the touts from back in the JF Pro-Line days! Good Luck.
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    That's alright by me BigPappa21, as it would seem odd to post now after such a long time reading. Very good assumption, but I have no tout service to offer, no ulterior motive, nothing but the  posts with information and opinion which I offer at ONLY 50 Euros, or consider it only 4 cups of coffee per month over the entire year. If we lose are MEGA BUSTER 2 TEAM PARLAY, you will get all next weeks 1,000 star plays for FREE! That's a savings of $1,500!  LOL- Joking of course, I couldn't help myself after years watching the touts from back in the JF Pro-Line days! Good Luck.
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