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    Showtime Super-Middleweight Tournament!

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    Mack05
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2009 - 4:50 AM ET #1

    Wow, major props to Showtime for putting this together. I personally think Allan Green and Lucian Bute should be included instead of the Andre's but what an exciting proposition to look forward to! Finally the fans are getting what they want. Now if they could do the same at Welterweight with Pacman, Floyd, Mosley, Cotto, Williams and Berto we would be in Dreamland.
     
    This is exactly what Kessler needed. His career had gone stale. I thought Aurthur Abraham was a diver and a ducker..
     
    "Showtime have called a New York press conference on Monday to officially announce their planned super-middleweight tournament, which includes Nottingham's WBC king Carl Froch.

    Froch will be one of six fighters competing in the tournament, which is expected to start later this year and is described as "ground-breaking" by the TV network.

    Also stepping up to the plate is 'The Cobra's' last victim, former undisputed middleweight king Jermain Taylor. Froch needed a 12th-round knockout to beat 'Bad Intentions' back in April.

    Reigning IBF middleweight king Arthur Abraham is an intriguing participant. With the battle to make 160lbs a constant struggle and a major unification bout with Kelly Pavlik looking unlikely - he's moving up to 168.

    Andre Dirrell - a medallist for the United States at the Athens Olympics in 2004 - is also involved and is being reportedly lined up as the first opponent for Froch.

    Perhaps the most formidable name at 168 among the line-up is Mikkel Kessler, who pushed Joe Calzaghe all the way in a memorable Cardiff showdown back in 2007.

    And last but certainly not least is the highly-rated Andre Ward, who is ranked number one by the WBC and the WBO, and who won gold in Athens in 2004.

    The tournament will bring back memories of the middleweight tournament masterminded by Don King, which culminated in Bernard Hopkins knocking out Felix Trinidad late in 2001.

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    Wow, major props to Showtime for putting this together. I personally think Allan Green and Lucian Bute should be included instead of the Andre's but what an exciting proposition to look forward to! Finally the fans are getting what they want. Now if they could do the same at Welterweight with Pacman, Floyd, Mosley, Cotto, Williams and Berto we would be in Dreamland.
     
    This is exactly what Kessler needed. His career had gone stale. I thought Aurthur Abraham was a diver and a ducker..
     
    "Showtime have called a New York press conference on Monday to officially announce their planned super-middleweight tournament, which includes Nottingham's WBC king Carl Froch.

    Froch will be one of six fighters competing in the tournament, which is expected to start later this year and is described as "ground-breaking" by the TV network.

    Also stepping up to the plate is 'The Cobra's' last victim, former undisputed middleweight king Jermain Taylor. Froch needed a 12th-round knockout to beat 'Bad Intentions' back in April.

    Reigning IBF middleweight king Arthur Abraham is an intriguing participant. With the battle to make 160lbs a constant struggle and a major unification bout with Kelly Pavlik looking unlikely - he's moving up to 168.

    Andre Dirrell - a medallist for the United States at the Athens Olympics in 2004 - is also involved and is being reportedly lined up as the first opponent for Froch.

    Perhaps the most formidable name at 168 among the line-up is Mikkel Kessler, who pushed Joe Calzaghe all the way in a memorable Cardiff showdown back in 2007.

    And last but certainly not least is the highly-rated Andre Ward, who is ranked number one by the WBC and the WBO, and who won gold in Athens in 2004.

    The tournament will bring back memories of the middleweight tournament masterminded by Don King, which culminated in Bernard Hopkins knocking out Felix Trinidad late in 2001.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2009 - 5:27 AM ET #2

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    Looks like its going to work like this...I noticed the 2 real big guns will be kept apart (Kessler & Abraham). One thing for sure, the winner willl be boxings next superstar. Bute and Green must be sick to miss out. Looks Fascinating, should be some great scraps. Major props to Showtime and The fighters for giving the fans what they want..They have all gone up a big notch in my estimation..Lets even hope for 2 of these fights on the same card.. 
     
    Round 1:
    Froch v Dirrell (England)
    Abraham v Taylor (Germany)
    Kessler v Ward
     
    Round 2:
    Abraham v Dirrell
    Froch v Kessler
    Taylor v Ward
     
    Round 3:
    Froch v Abraham
    Kessler v Taylor
    Dirrell v Ward
     
    The Top 4 go onto the semi's (2 points for a win, 1 for a draw and an extra point for the knockout)
     
    Seed 1 v Seed 4
    Seed 2 v Seed 3
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    Looks like its going to work like this...I noticed the 2 real big guns will be kept apart (Kessler & Abraham). One thing for sure, the winner willl be boxings next superstar. Bute and Green must be sick to miss out. Looks Fascinating, should be some great scraps. Major props to Showtime and The fighters for giving the fans what they want..They have all gone up a big notch in my estimation..Lets even hope for 2 of these fights on the same card.. 
     
    Round 1:
    Froch v Dirrell (England)
    Abraham v Taylor (Germany)
    Kessler v Ward
     
    Round 2:
    Abraham v Dirrell
    Froch v Kessler
    Taylor v Ward
     
    Round 3:
    Froch v Abraham
    Kessler v Taylor
    Dirrell v Ward
     
    The Top 4 go onto the semi's (2 points for a win, 1 for a draw and an extra point for the knockout)
     
    Seed 1 v Seed 4
    Seed 2 v Seed 3
     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2009 - 12:25 PM ET #4

    It looks like it's actually going to come off too. Incredible. In round 1 like Dirrell, Abraham, and I'm undecided on the third bout. 
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    It looks like it's actually going to come off too. Incredible. In round 1 like Dirrell, Abraham, and I'm undecided on the third bout. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2009 - 12:44 PM ET #5

    I like Froch against Direll if the fight is in England. Abraham I think will be too strong for Taylor, especially if this one takes place in Germany which will probably be the case. Kessler will be too strong for Ward. What I love about this concept is that they are so many unknowns here. Who knows how good Ward and Direll are. Abraham and Kessler look the class of the tourney but could get easily get upset by a Ward or Direll. Froch and Taylor could cause upsets. Fanscinating stuff. My early guess would be that either Ward or Dirrell make the semi's, whilst the other props the basement..I think Kessler and Abraham are certs for the semi's. I think then its down to Taylor or Froch to fill the last spot.
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    I like Froch against Direll if the fight is in England. Abraham I think will be too strong for Taylor, especially if this one takes place in Germany which will probably be the case. Kessler will be too strong for Ward. What I love about this concept is that they are so many unknowns here. Who knows how good Ward and Direll are. Abraham and Kessler look the class of the tourney but could get easily get upset by a Ward or Direll. Froch and Taylor could cause upsets. Fanscinating stuff. My early guess would be that either Ward or Dirrell make the semi's, whilst the other props the basement..I think Kessler and Abraham are certs for the semi's. I think then its down to Taylor or Froch to fill the last spot.
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2009 - 6:17 PM ET #6

    Well its offical..WOW! I will be looking for value here. Can't wait for the odds to come out. Kessler will be favourite and rightly so on previous, but I will be backing a long shot. My first hunch is Ward.
     
    His first fight is at home to Kessler. When I first thought about this match  said Kessler for sure. BUT thinking more about it I am not sure. I don't think Kessler has ever fought in the States and this one looks like it will take place in California. Young hungry, undefeated fighter at home, I can see Ward in with a live chance here. Inexperience would be a worry.
     
    He then fights Taylor, who will probably be coming off a loss to Abraham. That will be 4 in the last 5 and you would have to fancy Ward here. Then in the last fight he gets Dirrell who has a tough draw with Froch and Abraham. I would fancy Ward to win this fight and cement his place in the semi finals. But the time the semi's have come these fights should have brought Ward on a ton.
     
    Who knows then, maybe a home draw against Froch in the semi. Wishful thinking I know but I will be taking Ward Pre Tournament.
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    Well its offical..WOW! I will be looking for value here. Can't wait for the odds to come out. Kessler will be favourite and rightly so on previous, but I will be backing a long shot. My first hunch is Ward.
     
    His first fight is at home to Kessler. When I first thought about this match  said Kessler for sure. BUT thinking more about it I am not sure. I don't think Kessler has ever fought in the States and this one looks like it will take place in California. Young hungry, undefeated fighter at home, I can see Ward in with a live chance here. Inexperience would be a worry.
     
    He then fights Taylor, who will probably be coming off a loss to Abraham. That will be 4 in the last 5 and you would have to fancy Ward here. Then in the last fight he gets Dirrell who has a tough draw with Froch and Abraham. I would fancy Ward to win this fight and cement his place in the semi finals. But the time the semi's have come these fights should have brought Ward on a ton.
     
    Who knows then, maybe a home draw against Froch in the semi. Wishful thinking I know but I will be taking Ward Pre Tournament.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 13, 2009 - 7:03 PM ET #7

    Hey Mack I agree this is amazing for us boxing fans. I think the two Andre's SHOULD be in there as it will give us the answers we want about these two guys. How good are they?

    How many years would we have to wait for these guys to step up and finally fight a real opponent, well we don't need to wait now.

    I personally believe EVERY division should do this. I know it won't happen but this is the best match ups I've ever seen in all my 32 years of living :)
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    Hey Mack I agree this is amazing for us boxing fans. I think the two Andre's SHOULD be in there as it will give us the answers we want about these two guys. How good are they?

    How many years would we have to wait for these guys to step up and finally fight a real opponent, well we don't need to wait now.

    I personally believe EVERY division should do this. I know it won't happen but this is the best match ups I've ever seen in all my 32 years of living :)
     
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    Posted: Jul. 14, 2009 - 5:24 AM ET #8

    where did jermain taylor go

     

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    where did jermain taylor go

     

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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 6:46 PM ET #9

    2 Books have opened Odds on the Super 6. Very Interesting. I certainly would not have Froch as favourite..


    Carl Froch           5/2      7/4     
    Mikkel Kessler     9/4      11/4     
    Arthur Abraham    5/2      7/2     
    Jermain Taylor       6        5     
    Andre Ward          10       10     
    Andre Dirrell          9        14

    Opening Lines for 1st round fights

    Froch 1/2 Dirrell 6/4

    Abraham 1/2 Taylor 6/4

    Ward 2/1 Kessler 4/11

     

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    2 Books have opened Odds on the Super 6. Very Interesting. I certainly would not have Froch as favourite..


    Carl Froch           5/2      7/4     
    Mikkel Kessler     9/4      11/4     
    Arthur Abraham    5/2      7/2     
    Jermain Taylor       6        5     
    Andre Ward          10       10     
    Andre Dirrell          9        14

    Opening Lines for 1st round fights

    Froch 1/2 Dirrell 6/4

    Abraham 1/2 Taylor 6/4

    Ward 2/1 Kessler 4/11

     

     
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    Props to Showtime for bringing this to fruition.  I never thought it would happen when I first heard about it; definitely thought sanctioning bodies, rival promoters, foreign TV rights, and boxing politics would bring this to a halt.  I can't imagine what a balancing act negotiations had to be to get this done. 

    Interesting article that I just read by Kevin Iole at yahoo.  Gotta say that I am surprised on his confident prediction that Ward will come out on top.

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    Props to Showtime for bringing this to fruition.  I never thought it would happen when I first heard about it; definitely thought sanctioning bodies, rival promoters, foreign TV rights, and boxing politics would bring this to a halt.  I can't imagine what a balancing act negotiations had to be to get this done. 

    Interesting article that I just read by Kevin Iole at yahoo.  Gotta say that I am surprised on his confident prediction that Ward will come out on top.

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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2009 - 8:16 AM ET #11

    Full Brights I agree. Just put 10k on Ward @ +1000. I think the price is WAY to big. Have to play the value here. Even if Ward stinks up the joint that price is way to big. If he beats Kessler that will come tumbling down.
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    Full Brights I agree. Just put 10k on Ward @ +1000. I think the price is WAY to big. Have to play the value here. Even if Ward stinks up the joint that price is way to big. If he beats Kessler that will come tumbling down.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2009 - 1:10 PM ET #12

    This one deserves a ride back to the top.

    Allan Green's take on the tournament, interesting read:
    https://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=21207
    It's pretty hilarious that Jerson Ravelo thinks Andre Ward hits like a baby.

    Kessler and Froch are going to be overvalued. I expect them both to lose in the first round. I am very high on Dirrell, and I'll most likely be backing him in every round, certainly getting +140 against Froch.

    Definitely think money can be made fading Kessler. He's sound but pretty basic to me. And what are his most notable accomplishments? Losing to Calzaghe and thumping Librado Andrade for 12 rounds (while never truly having him in any trouble). I can't believe Froch is basically the 1a favorite. I'd be surprised to see him even in the semis (really tough draw for him in Dirrell, Kessler, and Abraham).

    Jermain should lose all 3 of his, and be stopped at least twice. Who knows, if Abraham can really damage him, maybe pillow gloves Ward could hurt him. I doubt it though, Ward-Taylor is gonna be a stinker. I'd rather see a Taylor Froch rematch.
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    This one deserves a ride back to the top.

    Allan Green's take on the tournament, interesting read:
    https://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=21207
    It's pretty hilarious that Jerson Ravelo thinks Andre Ward hits like a baby.

    Kessler and Froch are going to be overvalued. I expect them both to lose in the first round. I am very high on Dirrell, and I'll most likely be backing him in every round, certainly getting +140 against Froch.

    Definitely think money can be made fading Kessler. He's sound but pretty basic to me. And what are his most notable accomplishments? Losing to Calzaghe and thumping Librado Andrade for 12 rounds (while never truly having him in any trouble). I can't believe Froch is basically the 1a favorite. I'd be surprised to see him even in the semis (really tough draw for him in Dirrell, Kessler, and Abraham).

    Jermain should lose all 3 of his, and be stopped at least twice. Who knows, if Abraham can really damage him, maybe pillow gloves Ward could hurt him. I doubt it though, Ward-Taylor is gonna be a stinker. I'd rather see a Taylor Froch rematch.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2009 - 8:53 PM ET #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Full Brights I agree. Just put 10k on Ward @ +1000. I think the price is WAY to big. Have to play the value here. Even if Ward stinks up the joint that price is way to big. If he beats Kessler that will come tumbling down.

    Man, I will now be sick if this doesn't hit...I miss Full Brights. he was the man!!!

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    Full Brights I agree. Just put 10k on Ward @ +1000. I think the price is WAY to big. Have to play the value here. Even if Ward stinks up the joint that price is way to big. If he beats Kessler that will come tumbling down.

    Man, I will now be sick if this doesn't hit...I miss Full Brights. he was the man!!!

     
     
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    I know what the funk happened to Fullbrights? Nobody kept in touch with him I take it?
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    I know what the funk happened to Fullbrights? Nobody kept in touch with him I take it?
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