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    Poll: Who is likely to give Pac a loss

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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2008 - 7:06 AM ET #1

    First, regarding the JMM fight, WHAT A FIGHT.  Could make an argument for either guy, but since I am partial to JMM, I'd have to say he fought brilliantly and did enough to earn a win.  With the exception of getting caught in round 3 of course.  But Manny is too strong and too everything, except skilled.  He had an off night it seemed to me, but managed to still get the win.
     
    Lastly, Manny's next loss will be against Joel Casamayor, should they meet.  Casamayor will neutralize Manny's southpaw stance with his own, can crack, has a ton of boxing experience, can also brawl, suspect chin but will be a factor, but not enough to pose any danger.  Joel Casamayor TKO 6 over Manny Pacquaio. 
     
    Any thoughts will be appreciated.     
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    First, regarding the JMM fight, WHAT A FIGHT.  Could make an argument for either guy, but since I am partial to JMM, I'd have to say he fought brilliantly and did enough to earn a win.  With the exception of getting caught in round 3 of course.  But Manny is too strong and too everything, except skilled.  He had an off night it seemed to me, but managed to still get the win.
     
    Lastly, Manny's next loss will be against Joel Casamayor, should they meet.  Casamayor will neutralize Manny's southpaw stance with his own, can crack, has a ton of boxing experience, can also brawl, suspect chin but will be a factor, but not enough to pose any danger.  Joel Casamayor TKO 6 over Manny Pacquaio. 
     
    Any thoughts will be appreciated.     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2008 - 9:28 AM ET #2

    I don't think Joel Casamayor can KO Manny.
     
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    I don't think Joel Casamayor can KO Manny.
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2008 - 12:33 PM ET #3

    If Marquez can put Pacquiao out on his feet, Casamayor could certainly knock him out. There are plenty of guys between 130 and 140 who Bob Arum will have to avoid. Joan Guzman would embarrass him. Juan Diaz would beat him up. I believe Anthony Peterson and Amir Khan also beat him. And then if he really blew up, any of the top guys at 140 (Witter, Hatton, Paulie) would also beat his ass. One guy I don't think can beat Pacman at 135 is JM Marquez.
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    If Marquez can put Pacquiao out on his feet, Casamayor could certainly knock him out. There are plenty of guys between 130 and 140 who Bob Arum will have to avoid. Joan Guzman would embarrass him. Juan Diaz would beat him up. I believe Anthony Peterson and Amir Khan also beat him. And then if he really blew up, any of the top guys at 140 (Witter, Hatton, Paulie) would also beat his ass. One guy I don't think can beat Pacman at 135 is JM Marquez.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2008 - 2:29 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by LetMeSpin:

    If Marquez can put Pacquiao out on his feet, Casamayor could certainly knock him out. There are plenty of guys between 130 and 140 who Bob Arum will have to avoid. Joan Guzman would embarrass him. Juan Diaz would beat him up. I believe Anthony Peterson and Amir Khan also beat him. And then if he really blew up, any of the top guys at 140 (Witter, Hatton, Paulie) would also beat his ass. One guy I don't think can beat Pacman at 135 is JM Marquez.

    As badly as I wanted Marquez to buzz Pac, it always seemed like he just didn't have the power or the timing to make it happen.  It was quite frustrating as I knew that one perfectly timed left hand from Pac would put Marquez on his trunks, and that' s exactly what happened. 

    Pac's gonna be ok at '35.  But you're right, the match-ups will become more dangerous, and Pac may need some proper steering through the higher divisions. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetMeSpin:

    If Marquez can put Pacquiao out on his feet, Casamayor could certainly knock him out. There are plenty of guys between 130 and 140 who Bob Arum will have to avoid. Joan Guzman would embarrass him. Juan Diaz would beat him up. I believe Anthony Peterson and Amir Khan also beat him. And then if he really blew up, any of the top guys at 140 (Witter, Hatton, Paulie) would also beat his ass. One guy I don't think can beat Pacman at 135 is JM Marquez.

    As badly as I wanted Marquez to buzz Pac, it always seemed like he just didn't have the power or the timing to make it happen.  It was quite frustrating as I knew that one perfectly timed left hand from Pac would put Marquez on his trunks, and that' s exactly what happened. 

    Pac's gonna be ok at '35.  But you're right, the match-ups will become more dangerous, and Pac may need some proper steering through the higher divisions. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2008 - 3:12 PM ET #5

    You must not have seen the end of round 2. Pac wasn't just buzzed, he was drunk.

    I agree that Pacman will easily beat David Diaz and other mediocre fighters at 135, but he was exposed badly Sat. night, and there are several boxer-punchers who could make him look like his brother.
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    You must not have seen the end of round 2. Pac wasn't just buzzed, he was drunk.

    I agree that Pacman will easily beat David Diaz and other mediocre fighters at 135, but he was exposed badly Sat. night, and there are several boxer-punchers who could make him look like his brother.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 17, 2008 - 4:23 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by LetMeSpin:

    You must not have seen the end of round 2. Pac wasn't just buzzed, he was drunk.

    I agree that Pacman will easily beat David Diaz and other mediocre fighters at 135, but he was exposed badly Sat. night, and there are several boxer-punchers who could make him look like his brother.

    I wouldn't buy into the appearances Pac gives about being hit.  I'll have to look again at the round, but from what I've seen now through 2 fights, Pac may have been stung at times, but never really been seriously in danger.  But I could be wrong, I'll give it another look. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetMeSpin:

    You must not have seen the end of round 2. Pac wasn't just buzzed, he was drunk.

    I agree that Pacman will easily beat David Diaz and other mediocre fighters at 135, but he was exposed badly Sat. night, and there are several boxer-punchers who could make him look like his brother.

    I wouldn't buy into the appearances Pac gives about being hit.  I'll have to look again at the round, but from what I've seen now through 2 fights, Pac may have been stung at times, but never really been seriously in danger.  But I could be wrong, I'll give it another look. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2008 - 1:40 PM ET #7

    Pac was definitely buzzed at the end of the 2nd.  I wouldn't say that he was out on his feet though. 

    Agree LetMeSpin that you will never see Arum put Pac-Man in the same zip code as Joan Guzman.
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    Pac was definitely buzzed at the end of the 2nd.  I wouldn't say that he was out on his feet though. 

    Agree LetMeSpin that you will never see Arum put Pac-Man in the same zip code as Joan Guzman.
     
     
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    Joan Guzman would be Pacquiao's downfall. Guzman doesn't have the power to hurt Pacquiao, but his speed and boxing ability would make Pacquiao look foolish. For the most part, the public would see it as a boring fight, because Guzman would be in and out, tie Pacquiao up, and never trade. He will expose Pacquiao boxing ability to the fullest. It would be nothing like the Marquez fight, because Marquez can take shots, had terrific stamina, and is willing to trade. Guzman often throws pitter-pat punches in between combintions in order to not take shots. I'm not sure how Guzman's chin is because I've never seen him take a direct shot from a big hitter. It's a no win situation for Pacquiao. The public wouldn't want to see it, and he would lose. I would like to see it, only cause they would have Pacquiao open at -280 and it would go up, just in time for me to get Guzman +300 or better.
     
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    Joan Guzman would be Pacquiao's downfall. Guzman doesn't have the power to hurt Pacquiao, but his speed and boxing ability would make Pacquiao look foolish. For the most part, the public would see it as a boring fight, because Guzman would be in and out, tie Pacquiao up, and never trade. He will expose Pacquiao boxing ability to the fullest. It would be nothing like the Marquez fight, because Marquez can take shots, had terrific stamina, and is willing to trade. Guzman often throws pitter-pat punches in between combintions in order to not take shots. I'm not sure how Guzman's chin is because I've never seen him take a direct shot from a big hitter. It's a no win situation for Pacquiao. The public wouldn't want to see it, and he would lose. I would like to see it, only cause they would have Pacquiao open at -280 and it would go up, just in time for me to get Guzman +300 or better.
     
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