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    Pavlik - Martinez

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    PINNACLE
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2010 - 10:50 AM ET #1

    Is the fight official for April 17th @ the Boardwalk ??

    I'm assuming it is but have yet to see a price on it. I'm not sure whose idea it was for Kelly to fight this guy but in my opinion it's a big mistake (especially since he's been in with 2 bums since he was schooled by a dinosaur...granted, Bhop isn't your average dinosaur). However, Martinez is a world class athlete who is extremely savy and the hand speed difference will be apparent from the opening bell. If you thought Pavlik looked slow at 168 against Hopkins, he will look equally slow at his normal fighting weight against a natural junior middleweight (who happens to be really fast in his own division).  Although I would have advised agianst this particular matchup, it's about time he stepped up to the plate and fought somebody.

    I love Martinez here and will be waiting to see how much plus (+)money will be offered on the return.

    Thoughts??

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Is the fight official for April 17th @ the Boardwalk ??

    I'm assuming it is but have yet to see a price on it. I'm not sure whose idea it was for Kelly to fight this guy but in my opinion it's a big mistake (especially since he's been in with 2 bums since he was schooled by a dinosaur...granted, Bhop isn't your average dinosaur). However, Martinez is a world class athlete who is extremely savy and the hand speed difference will be apparent from the opening bell. If you thought Pavlik looked slow at 168 against Hopkins, he will look equally slow at his normal fighting weight against a natural junior middleweight (who happens to be really fast in his own division).  Although I would have advised agianst this particular matchup, it's about time he stepped up to the plate and fought somebody.

    I love Martinez here and will be waiting to see how much plus (+)money will be offered on the return.

    Thoughts??

     
    DannoDanger
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2010 - 12:56 PM ET #2

    It's almost a done deal, but not officially signed yet.  DiBella is holding out for assurance from HBO that if Pavlik pulls out, the network will still let Martinez fight in that spot. 

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    It's almost a done deal, but not officially signed yet.  DiBella is holding out for assurance from HBO that if Pavlik pulls out, the network will still let Martinez fight in that spot. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2010 - 1:05 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

     in my opinion it's a big mistake  

     Martinez is a world class athlete who is extremely savy and the hand speed difference will be apparent from the opening bell. If you thought Pavlik looked slow at 168 against Hopkins, he will look equally slow at his normal fighting weight against a natural junior middleweight 

    I love Martinez here and will be waiting to see how much plus (+)money will be offered on the return.

    Thoughts??

     

    QUIET!

    (in other words ,agree completely, please jesus give me nice + money)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

     in my opinion it's a big mistake  

     Martinez is a world class athlete who is extremely savy and the hand speed difference will be apparent from the opening bell. If you thought Pavlik looked slow at 168 against Hopkins, he will look equally slow at his normal fighting weight against a natural junior middleweight 

    I love Martinez here and will be waiting to see how much plus (+)money will be offered on the return.

    Thoughts??

     

    QUIET!

    (in other words ,agree completely, please jesus give me nice + money)

     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2010 - 1:07 PM ET #4

    Thanks Danno.
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    Thanks Danno.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2010 - 9:38 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

    Is the fight official for April 17th @ the Boardwalk ??

    I'm assuming it is but have yet to see a price on it. I'm not sure whose idea it was for Kelly to fight this guy but in my opinion it's a big mistake (especially since he's been in with 2 bums since he was schooled by a dinosaur...granted, Bhop isn't your average dinosaur). However, Martinez is a world class athlete who is extremely savy and the hand speed difference will be apparent from the opening bell. If you thought Pavlik looked slow at 168 against Hopkins, he will look equally slow at his normal fighting weight against a natural junior middleweight (who happens to be really fast in his own division).  Although I would have advised agianst this particular matchup, it's about time he stepped up to the plate and fought somebody.

    I love Martinez here and will be waiting to see how much plus (+)money will be offered on the return.

    Thoughts??


    Martinez is more of a 154 fighter, he's registered as a light middle weight, where as Pavlik is a Pure Middle Weight. 

    The reason he could take a punch at 160 was because Paul Williams himself is only a 147 fighter who stepped up in weight. 

    That said I despise the path  Kelly Pavlik has taken.He has fought nothing but tomato cans since losing to Hopkins.

    Should be a good fight IF it ever happens. Martinez put on a great show with Paul Williams he's going to be 35 years old in a few days... he cannot "wait" for Pavlik again.

    I think Vegas will have Pavlik at -175 or so being he is naturally the bigger guy.
                                                
                                                               
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    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

    Is the fight official for April 17th @ the Boardwalk ??

    I'm assuming it is but have yet to see a price on it. I'm not sure whose idea it was for Kelly to fight this guy but in my opinion it's a big mistake (especially since he's been in with 2 bums since he was schooled by a dinosaur...granted, Bhop isn't your average dinosaur). However, Martinez is a world class athlete who is extremely savy and the hand speed difference will be apparent from the opening bell. If you thought Pavlik looked slow at 168 against Hopkins, he will look equally slow at his normal fighting weight against a natural junior middleweight (who happens to be really fast in his own division).  Although I would have advised agianst this particular matchup, it's about time he stepped up to the plate and fought somebody.

    I love Martinez here and will be waiting to see how much plus (+)money will be offered on the return.

    Thoughts??


    Martinez is more of a 154 fighter, he's registered as a light middle weight, where as Pavlik is a Pure Middle Weight. 

    The reason he could take a punch at 160 was because Paul Williams himself is only a 147 fighter who stepped up in weight. 

    That said I despise the path  Kelly Pavlik has taken.He has fought nothing but tomato cans since losing to Hopkins.

    Should be a good fight IF it ever happens. Martinez put on a great show with Paul Williams he's going to be 35 years old in a few days... he cannot "wait" for Pavlik again.

    I think Vegas will have Pavlik at -175 or so being he is naturally the bigger guy.
                                                
                                                               
     
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    Posted: Feb. 18, 2010 - 11:22 PM ET #6

    Rich, I agree with you in the sense that Pavlik's reign as champ has been disappointing, but there really isn't anyone at middleweight for him to have a big fight with.  Middleweight is probably the worst division in boxing, as far as talent goes.  Williams was the only guy, and like you said, he roams around from 147-160.  Middleweight is filled with Euros who are almost totally unknown in America.  Guys like Sturm and Sylvester can stay in Europe, defend their titles, and make a ton of money without ever really stepping up.  Anyway, I'd rather see Pavlik fight Martinez or Williams than any of those guys. 
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    Rich, I agree with you in the sense that Pavlik's reign as champ has been disappointing, but there really isn't anyone at middleweight for him to have a big fight with.  Middleweight is probably the worst division in boxing, as far as talent goes.  Williams was the only guy, and like you said, he roams around from 147-160.  Middleweight is filled with Euros who are almost totally unknown in America.  Guys like Sturm and Sylvester can stay in Europe, defend their titles, and make a ton of money without ever really stepping up.  Anyway, I'd rather see Pavlik fight Martinez or Williams than any of those guys. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2010 - 2:01 AM ET #7

    Danno I agree 160 is a tough division hardly anyone there.

    I know Pavlik cannot hang with the guys at 168, so he's stuck in a bad situation.

    I liked Pavlik even if he's one dimensional, he came to fight, but pulling out of fights especially the last one.. 2 weeks before he was due to fight, then suddenly hand heals and he is 100%.

    I 100 % agree Sturm Sylvester can and WILL stay in Europe, they make big $$ pack the stadiums even when they are fighting nobodies.

    Oddly.. when Felix Sturm fought Oscar ( and he truly beat him), he was shipped back to Germany asap and has declined ever since.

    His last fight he looked DULL and on the decline.


    160 is just a bad division, but Pavlik holds one thing over Williams and Martinez, he is a true 160 fighter, the others well.. 147-154 and move up to 160 for the Money.

    Same as 154 "nothing really there".  

    The jack pot is 147 right now and 168... everyone in between there must MOVE UP and face a stronger fighter.

    Martinez is a good opponent, and should be a great fight.

    At least he won't be facing 1,000 punches like he did with Paul Williams.

    Silver lining is we got to see Williams and Martinez who gave a gem to boxing, two avoided fighters agreed to fight.. and gave us a memorable fight.

    Cannot wait for March to come, tons of fights... 

    One fight that sticks out.. as "weird" is Juan Urango vs Devon Alexander  -380 Alexander, wonder what the price will be on Urango by ko/tko... he's fighting at 140 now.. his natural weight. 

    Think Devon can take the intense pressure and box his way to an easy victory or like many young fighters fold under pressure.

    One last thing John Ruiz, whats up with him, his last fight he was "ripped" and aggressive.. and he looks totally different... I've never known John Ruiz to be "ripped". Roids/PEDMaybe? Take a look at him.

                                                       
                                             
     
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    Danno I agree 160 is a tough division hardly anyone there.

    I know Pavlik cannot hang with the guys at 168, so he's stuck in a bad situation.

    I liked Pavlik even if he's one dimensional, he came to fight, but pulling out of fights especially the last one.. 2 weeks before he was due to fight, then suddenly hand heals and he is 100%.

    I 100 % agree Sturm Sylvester can and WILL stay in Europe, they make big $$ pack the stadiums even when they are fighting nobodies.

    Oddly.. when Felix Sturm fought Oscar ( and he truly beat him), he was shipped back to Germany asap and has declined ever since.

    His last fight he looked DULL and on the decline.


    160 is just a bad division, but Pavlik holds one thing over Williams and Martinez, he is a true 160 fighter, the others well.. 147-154 and move up to 160 for the Money.

    Same as 154 "nothing really there".  

    The jack pot is 147 right now and 168... everyone in between there must MOVE UP and face a stronger fighter.

    Martinez is a good opponent, and should be a great fight.

    At least he won't be facing 1,000 punches like he did with Paul Williams.

    Silver lining is we got to see Williams and Martinez who gave a gem to boxing, two avoided fighters agreed to fight.. and gave us a memorable fight.

    Cannot wait for March to come, tons of fights... 

    One fight that sticks out.. as "weird" is Juan Urango vs Devon Alexander  -380 Alexander, wonder what the price will be on Urango by ko/tko... he's fighting at 140 now.. his natural weight. 

    Think Devon can take the intense pressure and box his way to an easy victory or like many young fighters fold under pressure.

    One last thing John Ruiz, whats up with him, his last fight he was "ripped" and aggressive.. and he looks totally different... I've never known John Ruiz to be "ripped". Roids/PEDMaybe? Take a look at him.

                                                       
                                             
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 19, 2010 - 9:56 AM ET #8

    will they fight?? is it announced already?
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    will they fight?? is it announced already?
     
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    Hey thanks for the feedback guys.... some good thoughts about this fight in here.

    Yeah, there is no doubt Sergio is naturally the smaller man in this matchup. But this generation of boxing has proven one thing (especially in and around this weight class): Speed is the great equalizer. I don't doubt Pavlik's power when he can find his target, but I believe Martinez's style coupled with his extraordinary athleticism will present big problems. There will be alot of circling in this fight with Martinez moving backward but I believe there's a real possibility that Pavlik will get "countered" like never before. Sergio's "hands down" approach will be extremely inviting to a fighter like Kelly who would love to and badly needs a  KO vs. a quality opponent. I can't see Kelly staying patient for the entire fight and if he thinks coming straight forward (walking down) this smaller man will somehow benefit him.....well, let's just put it this way, that's the potential variable that could produce a fight we'll talk about for a awhile.

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    Hey thanks for the feedback guys.... some good thoughts about this fight in here.

    Yeah, there is no doubt Sergio is naturally the smaller man in this matchup. But this generation of boxing has proven one thing (especially in and around this weight class): Speed is the great equalizer. I don't doubt Pavlik's power when he can find his target, but I believe Martinez's style coupled with his extraordinary athleticism will present big problems. There will be alot of circling in this fight with Martinez moving backward but I believe there's a real possibility that Pavlik will get "countered" like never before. Sergio's "hands down" approach will be extremely inviting to a fighter like Kelly who would love to and badly needs a  KO vs. a quality opponent. I can't see Kelly staying patient for the entire fight and if he thinks coming straight forward (walking down) this smaller man will somehow benefit him.....well, let's just put it this way, that's the potential variable that could produce a fight we'll talk about for a awhile.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

    Hey thanks for the feedback guys.... some good thoughts about this fight in here.

    Yeah, there is no doubt Sergio is naturally the smaller man in this matchup. But this generation of boxing has proven one thing (especially in and around this weight class): Speed is the great equalizer. I don't doubt Pavlik's power when he can find his target, but I believe Martinez's style coupled with his extraordinary athleticism will present big problems. There will be alot of circling in this fight with Martinez moving backward but I believe there's a real possibility that Pavlik will get "countered" like never before. Sergio's "hands down" approach will be extremely inviting to a fighter like Kelly who would love to and badly needs a  KO vs. a quality opponent. I can't see Kelly staying patient for the entire fight and if he thinks coming straight forward (walking down) this smaller man will somehow benefit him.....well, let's just put it this way, that's the potential variable that could produce a fight we'll talk about for a awhile.



    So...who do you think will win? :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

    Hey thanks for the feedback guys.... some good thoughts about this fight in here.

    Yeah, there is no doubt Sergio is naturally the smaller man in this matchup. But this generation of boxing has proven one thing (especially in and around this weight class): Speed is the great equalizer. I don't doubt Pavlik's power when he can find his target, but I believe Martinez's style coupled with his extraordinary athleticism will present big problems. There will be alot of circling in this fight with Martinez moving backward but I believe there's a real possibility that Pavlik will get "countered" like never before. Sergio's "hands down" approach will be extremely inviting to a fighter like Kelly who would love to and badly needs a  KO vs. a quality opponent. I can't see Kelly staying patient for the entire fight and if he thinks coming straight forward (walking down) this smaller man will somehow benefit him.....well, let's just put it this way, that's the potential variable that could produce a fight we'll talk about for a awhile.



    So...who do you think will win? :D
     
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    I have to fancy Pavlik here. The man has fought at 170 and he is up against a bona fide 154 man in Sergio Martinez..Think Kelly knocks him out. Too much power for Martinez and the Pavlik KO will be the play for me. Styles make fights. I think Pavlik is a worse matchup for Martinez then Paul Williams. I wouldn't bet big because its Kelly Pavlik and I can't trust him (learnt from my Juan Diaz pick over Paulie Mallinggii) but I feel he gets a mid round stoppage win here.

    Agree with rich and danno. Middleweight such a marquee division is incredibly devoid of talent. I hope Matthew Macklin or Andy Lee will step up but realistically I can't see it. I am a big fan of Macklin and he would give Pavlik some problems because the kid has heart but beating him is out of the question.

    Pavlik is a huge disappoinment. I'm not sure if he was in the super six plans but that is something he should have begged to get into. Could you imagine if it was AA against Pavlik first match! Then Pavlik v Ward! Now the only 2 real meaningful fights for him are probably Paul Williams and Lucian Bute and I don't particulary like those matches for him.

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    I have to fancy Pavlik here. The man has fought at 170 and he is up against a bona fide 154 man in Sergio Martinez..Think Kelly knocks him out. Too much power for Martinez and the Pavlik KO will be the play for me. Styles make fights. I think Pavlik is a worse matchup for Martinez then Paul Williams. I wouldn't bet big because its Kelly Pavlik and I can't trust him (learnt from my Juan Diaz pick over Paulie Mallinggii) but I feel he gets a mid round stoppage win here.

    Agree with rich and danno. Middleweight such a marquee division is incredibly devoid of talent. I hope Matthew Macklin or Andy Lee will step up but realistically I can't see it. I am a big fan of Macklin and he would give Pavlik some problems because the kid has heart but beating him is out of the question.

    Pavlik is a huge disappoinment. I'm not sure if he was in the super six plans but that is something he should have begged to get into. Could you imagine if it was AA against Pavlik first match! Then Pavlik v Ward! Now the only 2 real meaningful fights for him are probably Paul Williams and Lucian Bute and I don't particulary like those matches for him.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 22, 2010 - 12:35 PM ET #12

    Pavlik -150
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2010 - 12:12 AM ET #13

    As much value as I hoped to find in this fight, + 130 was not enough (believe it or not). I broke this fight down two months ago (had the winner), and failed to capitalize because I thought I should get back more than a buck-thirty.  

    Live and learn.

    And Memo to Pavlik fans.......he's not done IMO. If he cleans house (get rid of Jack and the entire corner, btw, cutman.... wtf?) he can still be a threat in the watered-down middleweight division.

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    As much value as I hoped to find in this fight, + 130 was not enough (believe it or not). I broke this fight down two months ago (had the winner), and failed to capitalize because I thought I should get back more than a buck-thirty.  

    Live and learn.

    And Memo to Pavlik fans.......he's not done IMO. If he cleans house (get rid of Jack and the entire corner, btw, cutman.... wtf?) he can still be a threat in the watered-down middleweight division.

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2010 - 2:41 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I have to fancy Pavlik here. The man has fought at 170 and he is up against a bona fide 154 man in Sergio Martinez..Think Kelly knocks him out. Too much power for Martinez and the Pavlik KO will be the play for me. Styles make fights. I think Pavlik is a worse matchup for Martinez then Paul Williams. I wouldn't bet big because its Kelly Pavlik and I can't trust him (learnt from my Juan Diaz pick over Paulie Mallinggii) but I feel he gets a mid round stoppage win here.

    Agree with rich and danno. Middleweight such a marquee division is incredibly devoid of talent. I hope Matthew Macklin or Andy Lee will step up but realistically I can't see it. I am a big fan of Macklin and he would give Pavlik some problems because the kid has heart but beating him is out of the question.

    Pavlik is a huge disappoinment. I'm not sure if he was in the super six plans but that is something he should have begged to get into. Could you imagine if it was AA against Pavlik first match! Then Pavlik v Ward! Now the only 2 real meaningful fights for him are probably Paul Williams and Lucian Bute and I don't particulary like those matches for him.

     

    Whys Mack05 in rehab??????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I have to fancy Pavlik here. The man has fought at 170 and he is up against a bona fide 154 man in Sergio Martinez..Think Kelly knocks him out. Too much power for Martinez and the Pavlik KO will be the play for me. Styles make fights. I think Pavlik is a worse matchup for Martinez then Paul Williams. I wouldn't bet big because its Kelly Pavlik and I can't trust him (learnt from my Juan Diaz pick over Paulie Mallinggii) but I feel he gets a mid round stoppage win here.

    Agree with rich and danno. Middleweight such a marquee division is incredibly devoid of talent. I hope Matthew Macklin or Andy Lee will step up but realistically I can't see it. I am a big fan of Macklin and he would give Pavlik some problems because the kid has heart but beating him is out of the question.

    Pavlik is a huge disappoinment. I'm not sure if he was in the super six plans but that is something he should have begged to get into. Could you imagine if it was AA against Pavlik first match! Then Pavlik v Ward! Now the only 2 real meaningful fights for him are probably Paul Williams and Lucian Bute and I don't particulary like those matches for him.

     

    Whys Mack05 in rehab??????????????

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