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    Pacquiao to fight Clottey, Roach says

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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 2:43 PM ET #1

    https://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4808708


    I'm a HUGE Pacquiao fan and follower, would this not be a completely meaningless fight??  I was at the Cotto/Clottey fight in New York last year which Clottey gave a way but still Cotto got the win and we all know what hapenned to Cotto next so..  What's the point?
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    I'm a HUGE Pacquiao fan and follower, would this not be a completely meaningless fight??  I was at the Cotto/Clottey fight in New York last year which Clottey gave a way but still Cotto got the win and we all know what hapenned to Cotto next so..  What's the point?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 3:08 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHenry30:

      What's the point?

    To stay active and make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHenry30:

      What's the point?

    To stay active and make money.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 3:55 PM ET #3

    At this point in both of their careers (Cotto/Clottey) Joshua is a bigger threat to Pacquiao than Cotto was. Does that mean I think Clottey could beat Pacquiao ??? Probably Not. But if there was ever such a thing as a "sandwich" spot in boxing this would be it. I'd really have to question Manny's motivation here. Without the Mayweather fight, what else is out there? His legacy ( even at 31 years young) is pretty much secured. Not to mention all the other things he has setup outside the ring that will ultimately become his life after boxing. Manny made it clear a year and a half ago that he only wanted a couple more BIG fights and that would be it for him. Since then he has fought Oscar in December of 08', Hatton in May of 09' and Cotto in November of 09'. Without a Mayweather fight, which would be a perfect ending to a legendary career, what's the point ?? If they didn't think they still had a shot at working something out with PBF in the future, Manny would be better served to just hang it up and get on with the rest of his life. I think the last thing any Pacquiao fan wants to see is him being unprepared and unmotivated and potentially being upset by a hungry fighter like Clottey.

    I can say this with certainty, Pacquiao's next opponent will be a much bigger challenge to him than the "handpicked" opponent Mayweather will sign to fight. Did I hear Paulie Malignaggi ?? C'mon MAN!!  It's the Mayweather way...... keep Floyd's perfect record intact by all means necessary.  Hell, he should just hang it up too. What's the point??

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    At this point in both of their careers (Cotto/Clottey) Joshua is a bigger threat to Pacquiao than Cotto was. Does that mean I think Clottey could beat Pacquiao ??? Probably Not. But if there was ever such a thing as a "sandwich" spot in boxing this would be it. I'd really have to question Manny's motivation here. Without the Mayweather fight, what else is out there? His legacy ( even at 31 years young) is pretty much secured. Not to mention all the other things he has setup outside the ring that will ultimately become his life after boxing. Manny made it clear a year and a half ago that he only wanted a couple more BIG fights and that would be it for him. Since then he has fought Oscar in December of 08', Hatton in May of 09' and Cotto in November of 09'. Without a Mayweather fight, which would be a perfect ending to a legendary career, what's the point ?? If they didn't think they still had a shot at working something out with PBF in the future, Manny would be better served to just hang it up and get on with the rest of his life. I think the last thing any Pacquiao fan wants to see is him being unprepared and unmotivated and potentially being upset by a hungry fighter like Clottey.

    I can say this with certainty, Pacquiao's next opponent will be a much bigger challenge to him than the "handpicked" opponent Mayweather will sign to fight. Did I hear Paulie Malignaggi ?? C'mon MAN!!  It's the Mayweather way...... keep Floyd's perfect record intact by all means necessary.  Hell, he should just hang it up too. What's the point??

     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 5:11 PM ET #4

    Clottey will only be as good as Arum let's him. Remember Arum promotes both fighters, and we know WHO  the money train is.

    If  Clottey was promoted by someone else this fight would be a great one.. but instead Arum chose Clottey for a reason.

    First Paulie, then Yuri.. now Clottey I think Arum is just throwing names out there to see how much it sticks, if people say "yes" to this it will happen.. so far many have laughed at the Paulie and Yuri proposals.

    Joshua Clottey I'm sure people take more seriously.. but Yuri and Clottey ... are promoted by the same GUY *ARUM*.

    I would prefer Pacman to fight someone who isn't in the hands of ARUM.                           

     
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    Clottey will only be as good as Arum let's him. Remember Arum promotes both fighters, and we know WHO  the money train is.

    If  Clottey was promoted by someone else this fight would be a great one.. but instead Arum chose Clottey for a reason.

    First Paulie, then Yuri.. now Clottey I think Arum is just throwing names out there to see how much it sticks, if people say "yes" to this it will happen.. so far many have laughed at the Paulie and Yuri proposals.

    Joshua Clottey I'm sure people take more seriously.. but Yuri and Clottey ... are promoted by the same GUY *ARUM*.

    I would prefer Pacman to fight someone who isn't in the hands of ARUM.                           

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 5:16 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

    At this point in both of their careers (Cotto/Clottey) Joshua is a bigger threat to Pacquiao than Cotto was. Does that mean I think Clottey could beat Pacquiao ??? Probably Not. But if there was ever such a thing as a "sandwich" spot in boxing this would be it. I'd really have to question Manny's motivation here. Without the Mayweather fight, what else is out there? His legacy ( even at 31 years young) is pretty much secured. Not to mention all the other things he has setup outside the ring that will ultimately become his life after boxing. Manny made it clear a year and a half ago that he only wanted a couple more BIG fights and that would be it for him. Since then he has fought Oscar in December of 08', Hatton in May of 09' and Cotto in November of 09'. Without a Mayweather fight, which would be a perfect ending to a legendary career, what's the point ?? If they didn't think they still had a shot at working something out with PBF in the future, Manny would be better served to just hang it up and get on with the rest of his life. I think the last thing any Pacquiao fan wants to see is him being unprepared and unmotivated and potentially being upset by a hungry fighter like Clottey.

    I can say this with certainty, Pacquiao's next opponent will be a much bigger challenge to him than the "handpicked" opponent Mayweather will sign to fight. Did I hear Paulie Malignaggi ?? C'mon MAN!!  It's the Mayweather way...... keep Floyd's perfect record intact by all means necessary.  Hell, he should just hang it up too. What's the point??



    BOTH Floyd and Pac-man will be Cherry picking opponents.  Pac will fight someone who will be a name but promoted by Arum.. and Floyd will fight a less than stellar name but (a non fixed fight).

    Both guys will be wasting their time,our time.. and everything else.. until they meet up the circus run will continue.

    Congrats to Floyd and Pac-man for giving boxing the biggest black eye it has seen in a long time.   


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    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

    At this point in both of their careers (Cotto/Clottey) Joshua is a bigger threat to Pacquiao than Cotto was. Does that mean I think Clottey could beat Pacquiao ??? Probably Not. But if there was ever such a thing as a "sandwich" spot in boxing this would be it. I'd really have to question Manny's motivation here. Without the Mayweather fight, what else is out there? His legacy ( even at 31 years young) is pretty much secured. Not to mention all the other things he has setup outside the ring that will ultimately become his life after boxing. Manny made it clear a year and a half ago that he only wanted a couple more BIG fights and that would be it for him. Since then he has fought Oscar in December of 08', Hatton in May of 09' and Cotto in November of 09'. Without a Mayweather fight, which would be a perfect ending to a legendary career, what's the point ?? If they didn't think they still had a shot at working something out with PBF in the future, Manny would be better served to just hang it up and get on with the rest of his life. I think the last thing any Pacquiao fan wants to see is him being unprepared and unmotivated and potentially being upset by a hungry fighter like Clottey.

    I can say this with certainty, Pacquiao's next opponent will be a much bigger challenge to him than the "handpicked" opponent Mayweather will sign to fight. Did I hear Paulie Malignaggi ?? C'mon MAN!!  It's the Mayweather way...... keep Floyd's perfect record intact by all means necessary.  Hell, he should just hang it up too. What's the point??



    BOTH Floyd and Pac-man will be Cherry picking opponents.  Pac will fight someone who will be a name but promoted by Arum.. and Floyd will fight a less than stellar name but (a non fixed fight).

    Both guys will be wasting their time,our time.. and everything else.. until they meet up the circus run will continue.

    Congrats to Floyd and Pac-man for giving boxing the biggest black eye it has seen in a long time.   


     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 6:16 PM ET #6

    Yuri is with Arum too, and he was the first choice, but Pac's team didn't want to fight him, including Roach.  They thought that he was too big,  and it would be a tough fight.  That's a fact, according to Dan Rafael.
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    Yuri is with Arum too, and he was the first choice, but Pac's team didn't want to fight him, including Roach.  They thought that he was too big,  and it would be a tough fight.  That's a fact, according to Dan Rafael.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 6:38 PM ET #7

    Boxing is dead again. congrats PBF & PAC
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    Boxing is dead again. congrats PBF & PAC
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 7:41 PM ET #8

    That's just ridiculous.
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    That's just ridiculous.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 8:05 PM ET #9

    i think clottey has a better chance of defeating manny that yuri so i guess this is better than yuri
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    i think clottey has a better chance of defeating manny that yuri so i guess this is better than yuri
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2010 - 8:48 PM ET #10

    Most of logical fighter is with GBP stable, the only other fighter stands up other than that is Bradley. I think Clottey is an easier fights to make since both are in TR stable. People think Clottey is just a gate keeper but he is a live dog that can upset the PACMAN. This is a much much challenge than Paulie M. which rumored to be fighting Money May. Paulie needs to go Olympic style testing in Nevada to have a shot. It will be an epic dancing with the stars if the fight happens.

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    Most of logical fighter is with GBP stable, the only other fighter stands up other than that is Bradley. I think Clottey is an easier fights to make since both are in TR stable. People think Clottey is just a gate keeper but he is a live dog that can upset the PACMAN. This is a much much challenge than Paulie M. which rumored to be fighting Money May. Paulie needs to go Olympic style testing in Nevada to have a shot. It will be an epic dancing with the stars if the fight happens.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Clottey will only be as good as Arum let's him. Remember Arum promotes both fighters, and we know WHO  the money train is.

    If  Clottey was promoted by someone else this fight would be a great one.. but instead Arum chose Clottey for a reason.

    First Paulie, then Yuri.. now Clottey I think Arum is just throwing names out there to see how much it sticks, if people say "yes" to this it will happen.. so far many have laughed at the Paulie and Yuri proposals.

    Joshua Clottey I'm sure people take more seriously.. but Yuri and Clottey ... are promoted by the same GUY *ARUM*.

    I would prefer Pacman to fight someone who isn't in the hands of ARUM.                           

     

    Spot on, this is only to keep people thinking "when is the mega fight going to happen?" 
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Clottey will only be as good as Arum let's him. Remember Arum promotes both fighters, and we know WHO  the money train is.

    If  Clottey was promoted by someone else this fight would be a great one.. but instead Arum chose Clottey for a reason.

    First Paulie, then Yuri.. now Clottey I think Arum is just throwing names out there to see how much it sticks, if people say "yes" to this it will happen.. so far many have laughed at the Paulie and Yuri proposals.

    Joshua Clottey I'm sure people take more seriously.. but Yuri and Clottey ... are promoted by the same GUY *ARUM*.

    I would prefer Pacman to fight someone who isn't in the hands of ARUM.                           

     

    Spot on, this is only to keep people thinking "when is the mega fight going to happen?" 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2010 - 8:37 PM ET #12

    It's a done deal for 3/13 in DALLAS.  That's pretty cool.  Richard Schaeffer said that Floyd will be fighting that same day in Vegas.  Should be interesting. 
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    It's a done deal for 3/13 in DALLAS.  That's pretty cool.  Richard Schaeffer said that Floyd will be fighting that same day in Vegas.  Should be interesting. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2010 - 9:52 PM ET #13

    I am wondering who Floyd is fighting?  Please dont tell me its M. Hatton? Yikes.
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    I am wondering who Floyd is fighting?  Please dont tell me its M. Hatton? Yikes.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Teaman:

    Most of logical fighter is with GBP stable, the only other fighter stands up other than that is Bradley. I think Clottey is an easier fights to make since both are in TR stable. People think Clottey is just a gate keeper but he is a live dog that can upset the PACMAN. This is a much much challenge than Paulie M. which rumored to be fighting Money May. Paulie needs to go Olympic style testing in Nevada to have a shot. It will be an epic dancing with the stars if the fight happens.

    ....... ..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Teaman:

    Most of logical fighter is with GBP stable, the only other fighter stands up other than that is Bradley. I think Clottey is an easier fights to make since both are in TR stable. People think Clottey is just a gate keeper but he is a live dog that can upset the PACMAN. This is a much much challenge than Paulie M. which rumored to be fighting Money May. Paulie needs to go Olympic style testing in Nevada to have a shot. It will be an epic dancing with the stars if the fight happens.

    ....... ..........
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Clottey will only be as good as Arum let's him. Remember Arum promotes both fighters, and we know WHO  the money train is.

    If  Clottey was promoted by someone else this fight would be a great one.. but instead Arum chose Clottey for a reason.

    First Paulie, then Yuri.. now Clottey I think Arum is just throwing names out there to see how much it sticks, if people say "yes" to this it will happen.. so far many have laughed at the Paulie and Yuri proposals.

    Joshua Clottey I'm sure people take more seriously.. but Yuri and Clottey ... are promoted by the same GUY *ARUM*.

    I would prefer Pacman to fight someone who isn't in the hands of ARUM.                           

     
    ....here we go again mr.NAZIRICH why do you always have a negative feedback when it comes to the PACMAN....you think PAULIE is better than CLOTTEY ??? cmon now i thought you are an  ( expert ? )
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    Clottey will only be as good as Arum let's him. Remember Arum promotes both fighters, and we know WHO  the money train is.

    If  Clottey was promoted by someone else this fight would be a great one.. but instead Arum chose Clottey for a reason.

    First Paulie, then Yuri.. now Clottey I think Arum is just throwing names out there to see how much it sticks, if people say "yes" to this it will happen.. so far many have laughed at the Paulie and Yuri proposals.

    Joshua Clottey I'm sure people take more seriously.. but Yuri and Clottey ... are promoted by the same GUY *ARUM*.

    I would prefer Pacman to fight someone who isn't in the hands of ARUM.                           

     
    ....here we go again mr.NAZIRICH why do you always have a negative feedback when it comes to the PACMAN....you think PAULIE is better than CLOTTEY ??? cmon now i thought you are an  ( expert ? )
     
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    Clottey beats Pacman and then trys to avenge loss to Cotto. Cotto wins Via KO(yes KO) then Rematches with Pacman at 147 and not 145.  Arum Wins.
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    Clottey beats Pacman and then trys to avenge loss to Cotto. Cotto wins Via KO(yes KO) then Rematches with Pacman at 147 and not 145.  Arum Wins.
     
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    Clottey is dangerous to anybody at WW. Floyd wont dare fight him. Dont count Clottey out, he can possibly pulls and upset against the PACMAN whether you believe it or not.
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    Clottey is dangerous to anybody at WW. Floyd wont dare fight him. Dont count Clottey out, he can possibly pulls and upset against the PACMAN whether you believe it or not.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIXED_NUTS:

    ....here we go again mr.NAZIRICH why do you always have a negative feedback when it comes to the PACMAN....you think PAULIE is better than CLOTTEY ??? cmon now i thought you are an  ( expert ? )


    I don't always have negative feedback on Pac-man I picked him the last two fights.

    If the fight is legit Clottey  would be my pick over Pac-man, but being he's Arum's puppet the fight is a NO play for me.

    Think about how much Clottey makes.. just by hanging around..  he waited for a few years to get Cotto.. did just enough to leave Cotto with some respect .. so Cotto could fight Pac-man (Arum and Pac-man were RING side scouting Cotto).

    Now it seems YURI Foreman (Arum's fighter) is going to fight Cotto (one last fight for Cotto) then  Cotto is out of the Picture.

    I feel bad for Cotto he is better off fighting a power puncher.. who will KO him early than a guy who gives him a head beating for many rounds.

    Back on topic, NO Paulie is NOT a better fighter than Clottey, but we know Paulie will NOT lay down in a fight, where as Clottey would (Boxing is a business and it makes sense for him to take this fight)

    You don't find it strange Arum is pitting his best fighters together? Only one way someone could do that is if there's an agreement.

    Sort of Like Cotto/Clottey had.

    You may not like my take on Pac-man since the  steroid thing came out, but all I did was relay the message Teddy Atlas said on ESPN 2.

    I also ripped Floyd also, both of them are wrong, it's about time we stop talking about these clowns.

    Floyd will be fighting the winner of Mosley/Berto.. it makes sense.

    Personally I hope Floyd and Pac-man BOTH LOSE they deserve it. BOTH walked away from 40 + MILLION $$$ and shit on us boxing fans!

    I would like to see Floyd fight Timothy Bradley but too bad most casual fans don't really know his name.

    I feel he has a GOOD chance against Floyd but since boxing is about $$ the fight won't happen because just because we know Bradley doesn't mean the rest of the public does.


    Yes Clottey is a better match up than anyone Floyd will fight (unless he fights Mosley). Question is do you trust Bob Arum? I don't..

    Again for the record both Manny and Floyd shit on us and they both deserve whatever negative stuff comes their way!






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    Quote Originally Posted by MIXED_NUTS:

    ....here we go again mr.NAZIRICH why do you always have a negative feedback when it comes to the PACMAN....you think PAULIE is better than CLOTTEY ??? cmon now i thought you are an  ( expert ? )


    I don't always have negative feedback on Pac-man I picked him the last two fights.

    If the fight is legit Clottey  would be my pick over Pac-man, but being he's Arum's puppet the fight is a NO play for me.

    Think about how much Clottey makes.. just by hanging around..  he waited for a few years to get Cotto.. did just enough to leave Cotto with some respect .. so Cotto could fight Pac-man (Arum and Pac-man were RING side scouting Cotto).

    Now it seems YURI Foreman (Arum's fighter) is going to fight Cotto (one last fight for Cotto) then  Cotto is out of the Picture.

    I feel bad for Cotto he is better off fighting a power puncher.. who will KO him early than a guy who gives him a head beating for many rounds.

    Back on topic, NO Paulie is NOT a better fighter than Clottey, but we know Paulie will NOT lay down in a fight, where as Clottey would (Boxing is a business and it makes sense for him to take this fight)

    You don't find it strange Arum is pitting his best fighters together? Only one way someone could do that is if there's an agreement.

    Sort of Like Cotto/Clottey had.

    You may not like my take on Pac-man since the  steroid thing came out, but all I did was relay the message Teddy Atlas said on ESPN 2.

    I also ripped Floyd also, both of them are wrong, it's about time we stop talking about these clowns.

    Floyd will be fighting the winner of Mosley/Berto.. it makes sense.

    Personally I hope Floyd and Pac-man BOTH LOSE they deserve it. BOTH walked away from 40 + MILLION $$$ and shit on us boxing fans!

    I would like to see Floyd fight Timothy Bradley but too bad most casual fans don't really know his name.

    I feel he has a GOOD chance against Floyd but since boxing is about $$ the fight won't happen because just because we know Bradley doesn't mean the rest of the public does.


    Yes Clottey is a better match up than anyone Floyd will fight (unless he fights Mosley). Question is do you trust Bob Arum? I don't..

    Again for the record both Manny and Floyd shit on us and they both deserve whatever negative stuff comes their way!






     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:



    I don't always have negative feedback on Pac-man I picked him the last two fights.

    If the fight is legit Clottey  would be my pick over Pac-man, but being he's Arum's puppet the fight is a NO play for me.

    Think about how much Clottey makes.. just by hanging around..  he waited for a few years to get Cotto.. did just enough to leave Cotto with some respect .. so Cotto could fight Pac-man (Arum and Pac-man were RING side scouting Cotto).

    Now it seems YURI Foreman (Arum's fighter) is going to fight Cotto (one last fight for Cotto) then  Cotto is out of the Picture.

    I feel bad for Cotto he is better off fighting a power puncher.. who will KO him early than a guy who gives him a head beating for many rounds.

    Back on topic, NO Paulie is NOT a better fighter than Clottey, but we know Paulie will NOT lay down in a fight, where as Clottey would (Boxing is a business and it makes sense for him to take this fight)

    You don't find it strange Arum is pitting his best fighters together? Only one way someone could do that is if there's an agreement.

    Sort of Like Cotto/Clottey had.

    You may not like my take on Pac-man since the  steroid thing came out, but all I did was relay the message Teddy Atlas said on ESPN 2.

    I also ripped Floyd also, both of them are wrong, it's about time we stop talking about these clowns.

    Floyd will be fighting the winner of Mosley/Berto.. it makes sense.

    Personally I hope Floyd and Pac-man BOTH LOSE they deserve it. BOTH walked away from 40 + MILLION $$$ and shit on us boxing fans!

    I would like to see Floyd fight Timothy Bradley but too bad most casual fans don't really know his name.

    I feel he has a GOOD chance against Floyd but since boxing is about $$ the fight won't happen because just because we know Bradley doesn't mean the rest of the public does.


    Yes Clottey is a better match up than anyone Floyd will fight (unless he fights Mosley). Question is do you trust Bob Arum? I don't..

    Again for the record both Manny and Floyd shit on us and they both deserve whatever negative stuff comes their way!






    Cotto is not done. Stop counting him out please. He beat Clottey with one eye. And yes many say it was a close fight and it was but the fact of the matter is cotto boxed him with one eye. If he had 2 eyes wonder how the rest of the fight would of took place. Cotto has so much heart. The guy is only 29/30 years of age? I mean the guy took a beating from Margacheato with loaded gloves and Manny with PEDs, and thats it. Cotto is a beast who fights anyone. He fights all the fighters nobody wants to. If Cotto was getting KO'd by people then ok it'd be time to hangem up.

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    I don't always have negative feedback on Pac-man I picked him the last two fights.

    If the fight is legit Clottey  would be my pick over Pac-man, but being he's Arum's puppet the fight is a NO play for me.

    Think about how much Clottey makes.. just by hanging around..  he waited for a few years to get Cotto.. did just enough to leave Cotto with some respect .. so Cotto could fight Pac-man (Arum and Pac-man were RING side scouting Cotto).

    Now it seems YURI Foreman (Arum's fighter) is going to fight Cotto (one last fight for Cotto) then  Cotto is out of the Picture.

    I feel bad for Cotto he is better off fighting a power puncher.. who will KO him early than a guy who gives him a head beating for many rounds.

    Back on topic, NO Paulie is NOT a better fighter than Clottey, but we know Paulie will NOT lay down in a fight, where as Clottey would (Boxing is a business and it makes sense for him to take this fight)

    You don't find it strange Arum is pitting his best fighters together? Only one way someone could do that is if there's an agreement.

    Sort of Like Cotto/Clottey had.

    You may not like my take on Pac-man since the  steroid thing came out, but all I did was relay the message Teddy Atlas said on ESPN 2.

    I also ripped Floyd also, both of them are wrong, it's about time we stop talking about these clowns.

    Floyd will be fighting the winner of Mosley/Berto.. it makes sense.

    Personally I hope Floyd and Pac-man BOTH LOSE they deserve it. BOTH walked away from 40 + MILLION $$$ and shit on us boxing fans!

    I would like to see Floyd fight Timothy Bradley but too bad most casual fans don't really know his name.

    I feel he has a GOOD chance against Floyd but since boxing is about $$ the fight won't happen because just because we know Bradley doesn't mean the rest of the public does.


    Yes Clottey is a better match up than anyone Floyd will fight (unless he fights Mosley). Question is do you trust Bob Arum? I don't..

    Again for the record both Manny and Floyd shit on us and they both deserve whatever negative stuff comes their way!






    Cotto is not done. Stop counting him out please. He beat Clottey with one eye. And yes many say it was a close fight and it was but the fact of the matter is cotto boxed him with one eye. If he had 2 eyes wonder how the rest of the fight would of took place. Cotto has so much heart. The guy is only 29/30 years of age? I mean the guy took a beating from Margacheato with loaded gloves and Manny with PEDs, and thats it. Cotto is a beast who fights anyone. He fights all the fighters nobody wants to. If Cotto was getting KO'd by people then ok it'd be time to hangem up.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughts:

    Cotto is not done. Stop counting him out please. He beat Clottey with one eye. And yes many say it was a close fight and it was but the fact of the matter is cotto boxed him with one eye. If he had 2 eyes wonder how the rest of the fight would of took place. Cotto has so much heart. The guy is only 29/30 years of age? I mean the guy took a beating from Margacheato with loaded gloves and Manny with PEDs, and thats it. Cotto is a beast who fights anyone. He fights all the fighters nobody wants to. If Cotto was getting KO'd by people then ok it'd be time to hangem up.



    To my knowledge Cotto had 2 eyes coming into the fight against Clottey.. he was getting destroyed. Yes Margarito Cheated and probably gave him a beating you can never recover from (an illegal beating).

    Clottey was battering him by the time he stepped in with Pac-man he was done after the fourth round it was a wipe out.

    Cotto has TONS of heart, TOO MUCH. Look at Cotto's resume he has fought champion after champion.. never really an easy fight for many years now.. to the average person 29/30 seems young.

    Count the Cheating Beating Margarito gave him, then Clottey.. then Pac-man... it's time for him to hang up the gloves he gave a ton to boxing and he's a warrior he has nothing left besides HEART.

    I guess I'm thinking of his health since Arum isn't. Why not throw Cotto out for one last fight against your OWN "product" Yuri Foreman.

    I'd rather Cotto fight a BANGER than a slick boxer who will give him further brain damage.

    We know this will be Cotto's last fight why not give him a fight against a PUNCHER with very little boxing skills.. at the Garden it's where he started he deserves to go out on his terms.

    Yuri Foreman is NOT a guy he should be facing, but Arum needs to give Yuri a name on his resume.. even if it's at the health of Miguel Cotto's health.                          


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughts:

    Cotto is not done. Stop counting him out please. He beat Clottey with one eye. And yes many say it was a close fight and it was but the fact of the matter is cotto boxed him with one eye. If he had 2 eyes wonder how the rest of the fight would of took place. Cotto has so much heart. The guy is only 29/30 years of age? I mean the guy took a beating from Margacheato with loaded gloves and Manny with PEDs, and thats it. Cotto is a beast who fights anyone. He fights all the fighters nobody wants to. If Cotto was getting KO'd by people then ok it'd be time to hangem up.



    To my knowledge Cotto had 2 eyes coming into the fight against Clottey.. he was getting destroyed. Yes Margarito Cheated and probably gave him a beating you can never recover from (an illegal beating).

    Clottey was battering him by the time he stepped in with Pac-man he was done after the fourth round it was a wipe out.

    Cotto has TONS of heart, TOO MUCH. Look at Cotto's resume he has fought champion after champion.. never really an easy fight for many years now.. to the average person 29/30 seems young.

    Count the Cheating Beating Margarito gave him, then Clottey.. then Pac-man... it's time for him to hang up the gloves he gave a ton to boxing and he's a warrior he has nothing left besides HEART.

    I guess I'm thinking of his health since Arum isn't. Why not throw Cotto out for one last fight against your OWN "product" Yuri Foreman.

    I'd rather Cotto fight a BANGER than a slick boxer who will give him further brain damage.

    We know this will be Cotto's last fight why not give him a fight against a PUNCHER with very little boxing skills.. at the Garden it's where he started he deserves to go out on his terms.

    Yuri Foreman is NOT a guy he should be facing, but Arum needs to give Yuri a name on his resume.. even if it's at the health of Miguel Cotto's health.                          


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:



    To my knowledge Cotto had 2 eyes coming into the fight against Clottey.. he was getting destroyed. Yes Margarito Cheated and probably gave him a beating you can never recover from (an illegal beating).

    Clottey was battering him by the time he stepped in with Pac-man he was done after the fourth round it was a wipe out.

    Clottey was destroying Cotto? Thats a pretty funny statement. Destroying yet he lost the fight. Clottey didn't even get a knock down let alone stun Cotto at all in the fight. Sure he landed the more crisp/cleaner shots i agree. Cotto was in survival mode from the 4th round on because of blood gettin in his eye yet he still BOXED Clottey to a victory(keyword Boxed). Clottey didn't do shit in the 'Championship rounds' which is why he lost.

    Cotto could of easily won the first 4 of the first 5 rounds against Manny. The second knock down is what hurt Cotto and threw him off the rest of the fight. That could of happend to any fighter, Not because hes damaged goods or he isn't the same fighter as everyone says. Cotto was pounding Mannys head in with hard sharp jabs and looking good till he got cought. Anyone could get cought and not be the same fighter the rest of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:



    To my knowledge Cotto had 2 eyes coming into the fight against Clottey.. he was getting destroyed. Yes Margarito Cheated and probably gave him a beating you can never recover from (an illegal beating).

    Clottey was battering him by the time he stepped in with Pac-man he was done after the fourth round it was a wipe out.

    Clottey was destroying Cotto? Thats a pretty funny statement. Destroying yet he lost the fight. Clottey didn't even get a knock down let alone stun Cotto at all in the fight. Sure he landed the more crisp/cleaner shots i agree. Cotto was in survival mode from the 4th round on because of blood gettin in his eye yet he still BOXED Clottey to a victory(keyword Boxed). Clottey didn't do shit in the 'Championship rounds' which is why he lost.

    Cotto could of easily won the first 4 of the first 5 rounds against Manny. The second knock down is what hurt Cotto and threw him off the rest of the fight. That could of happend to any fighter, Not because hes damaged goods or he isn't the same fighter as everyone says. Cotto was pounding Mannys head in with hard sharp jabs and looking good till he got cought. Anyone could get cought and not be the same fighter the rest of the way.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughts:

    Clottey was destroying Cotto? Thats a pretty funny statement. Destroying yet he lost the fight. Clottey didn't even get a knock down let alone stun Cotto at all in the fight. Sure he landed the more crisp/cleaner shots i agree. Cotto was in survival mode from the 4th round on because of blood gettin in his eye yet he still BOXED Clottey to a victory(keyword Boxed). Clottey didn't do shit in the 'Championship rounds' which is why he lost.

    Cotto could of easily won the first 4 of the first 5 rounds against Manny. The second knock down is what hurt Cotto and threw him off the rest of the fight. That could of happend to any fighter, Not because hes damaged goods or he isn't the same fighter as everyone says. Cotto was pounding Mannys head in with hard sharp jabs and looking good till he got cought. Anyone could get cought and not be the same fighter the rest of the way.



    Yes Cotto was getting destroyed, besides the 6th round he did NOTHING against Clottey. Even the flash knock down Clottey was winning the round easily.

    You need to watch the fight again, Cotto was in "retreat" and "survival" mode against Clottey not in boxing mode. I agree his eye was bad but he chose to fight on (he has tons of HEART).

    You will see him retreating backwards just like in the Maragrito fight, (which I don't count as a loss because his gloves were loaded).

    Cotto was a sitting duck he NEVER had a chance at winning against Manny that's why he was chosen.

    I have NOTHING but praise for Cotto, he's fought everyone he has nothing to prove. I admire his heart and all of his fights..I just don't want him to get hurt, he has plenty of cash better to get out while his brain is still in tact.

    Again this is NOT knocking Cotto he has the best resume out of most boxers never dodged/ducked anyone.. believe me when I tell you he's finished.

    Yes he will get the fight probably in June at MSG, but he will NOT beat Yuri Foreman. Arum got all he wanted out of Cotto this is his goodbye GIFT.

    I pray he doesn't take a head beating, that's all!


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    Clottey was destroying Cotto? Thats a pretty funny statement. Destroying yet he lost the fight. Clottey didn't even get a knock down let alone stun Cotto at all in the fight. Sure he landed the more crisp/cleaner shots i agree. Cotto was in survival mode from the 4th round on because of blood gettin in his eye yet he still BOXED Clottey to a victory(keyword Boxed). Clottey didn't do shit in the 'Championship rounds' which is why he lost.

    Cotto could of easily won the first 4 of the first 5 rounds against Manny. The second knock down is what hurt Cotto and threw him off the rest of the fight. That could of happend to any fighter, Not because hes damaged goods or he isn't the same fighter as everyone says. Cotto was pounding Mannys head in with hard sharp jabs and looking good till he got cought. Anyone could get cought and not be the same fighter the rest of the way.



    Yes Cotto was getting destroyed, besides the 6th round he did NOTHING against Clottey. Even the flash knock down Clottey was winning the round easily.

    You need to watch the fight again, Cotto was in "retreat" and "survival" mode against Clottey not in boxing mode. I agree his eye was bad but he chose to fight on (he has tons of HEART).

    You will see him retreating backwards just like in the Maragrito fight, (which I don't count as a loss because his gloves were loaded).

    Cotto was a sitting duck he NEVER had a chance at winning against Manny that's why he was chosen.

    I have NOTHING but praise for Cotto, he's fought everyone he has nothing to prove. I admire his heart and all of his fights..I just don't want him to get hurt, he has plenty of cash better to get out while his brain is still in tact.

    Again this is NOT knocking Cotto he has the best resume out of most boxers never dodged/ducked anyone.. believe me when I tell you he's finished.

    Yes he will get the fight probably in June at MSG, but he will NOT beat Yuri Foreman. Arum got all he wanted out of Cotto this is his goodbye GIFT.

    I pray he doesn't take a head beating, that's all!


     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Teaman:

    Clottey is dangerous to anybody at WW. Floyd wont dare fight him. Dont count Clottey out, he can possibly pulls and upset against the PACMAN whether you believe it or not.


    I really think that he can give us a very good fight.. But still! i think pacman will win :)
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    Clottey is dangerous to anybody at WW. Floyd wont dare fight him. Dont count Clottey out, he can possibly pulls and upset against the PACMAN whether you believe it or not.


    I really think that he can give us a very good fight.. But still! i think pacman will win :)
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