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The amount of people giving McGregor 0% chance and thinking that Floyd finishing McGregor is "free money" is silly. Fair enough if you believe he will win, as this is taking place in his sport and he's rightfully the favorite, but if you're looking at this from the perspective that there's 0% risk, you're highly mistaken and you're obviously an amateur. 

We have several examples in combat sports, where the much less experienced/skilled competitor has excelled. I'll take a look at a couple of them.

1) Eddie Bravo vs Royler Gracie. This was a submission grappling showdown, featuring a 7th degree black belt and a legend in the world of jiu jitsu vs a brown belt who was at a 20+ year disadvantage in experience. If you think McGregor is an underdog now, and that people are ridiculing his odds of winning, Eddie Bravo was arguably an even bigger underdog. Yet, he ended up submitting Gracie. During the contest, Eddie confused Gracie by utilizing a technique that had never before been seen - the rubber guard. A guy with 35 years of experience, who had reached the very top of his sport, was thrown for a loop by a much less experienced and skilled opponent, simply due to this unorthodox and unpredictable style. 

2) Brock Lesnar. Lesnar wrestled in college, but then went into fake wrestling. Had a minor stint in training camp for the Minnesota Vikings. He decided to try his hand at MMA. From the moment he stepped foot inside the octagon, he dominated much more skilled and experienced fighters. Even in his debut loss vs Frank Mir, he dominated the fight. The ref incorrectly stood the two competitors up while Brock had Mir in half guard and pummelling him on what looked to be a quick TKO victory, before Steve Mazzagatti (who has been blacklisted due to many other massive errors, including being responsible for Jon Jones' lone loss, by disqualifying him) stood them up due to a strike to the back of the head. The correct procedure would have been a warning. Anyways, Lesnar went on to win 4 fights, including winning the world title against a much more skilled and experienced Randy Couture, in only his 3rd fight in the UFC.

Unorthodox and unpredictable styles have proven to be equalizers for inexperienced fighters on occasion. McGregor's timing, accuracy, and power are not questioned by anyone. His lack of boxing experience, and therefore his footwork and other boxing attributes are not as developed as that of other top tier boxers, but it'd not beyond the realm of possibility that his unorthodox & unpredictable style can open up some opportunities. Mayweather's famous shoulder roll is rendered useless, for the most part, against southpaws, and southpaws have connected with their left hands against him (Conor's power in his left is deadly.) Furthermore, how will a 40 year old Floyd react to Conor constantly switching stances (from a traditional boxing stance to a thai boxing stance, to a capoeira, to a greco roman wrestling stance, etc) that he's never seen before. The angles from which Conor will be hitting him from those stances are something he isn't used to.

 
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You don't know ish about boxing.....

Really though you are clueless. 

and your comparisons are stupid.  

McGregor has Zero chance.    

Floyd by stoppage is free money.  

The End.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by BrownianMotion:

 

Unorthodox and unpredictable styles have proven to be equalizers for inexperienced fighters on occasion. McGregor's timing, accuracy, and power are not questioned by anyone. His lack of boxing experience, and therefore his footwork and other boxing attributes are not as developed as that of other top tier boxers, but it'd not beyond the realm of possibility that his unorthodox & unpredictable style can open up some opportunities. Mayweather's famous shoulder roll is rendered useless, for the most part, against southpaws, and southpaws have connected with their left hands against him (Conor's power in his left is deadly.) Furthermore, how will a 40 year old Floyd react to Conor constantly switching stances (from a traditional boxing stance to a thai boxing stance, to a capoeira, to a greco roman wrestling stance, etc) that he's never seen before. The angles from which Conor will be hitting him from those stances are something he isn't used to.


this is just silly.......   
 
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Quote Originally Posted by SamLangford:

You don't know ish about boxing.....

Really though you are clueless. 

and your comparisons are stupid.  

McGregor has Zero chance.    

Floyd by stoppage is free money.  

The End.



They aren't comparisons, they are examples of precedence, where absurd individuals like yourself also claimed that there was zero chance, due to the deficit in skill and experience.

The first one may not have been publicized nearly as much, since this fight has the potential to be larger than the Super Bowl (which, by the way, I broke down flawlessly this past season, and not only did I predict the outcome, but literally all of my predictions regarding the different match ups turned out to be true, as you can see from my posts) but Eddie Bravo was a much bigger underdog.
 
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Bet on whatever the hell you want to bet on.  i don't care. 

But I'm telling you what's going to happen.  

Floyd will stop this fool inside the distance.

He's going to embarrass him.

You don't need to be Bert Sugar or Nat Fleischer to figure this one out.  

Only a dumbass would argue it any other way.

Easy money.
 
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The irony is i can't stand Floyd.  He is a despicable human being. It almost feels weird how pro-Floyd i am in these forums all the time.  And i actually quite like McGregor. He's a super charismatic and funny, plus one hell of a cage fighter.  But i'm trying to win money here, and i can't for the life of me see any other result other than Floyd stopping McGregor.  Just like McGregor would absolutely destroy Floyd in seconds if they ever fought in MMA.  So don't take this as a anti-MMA stance.  

Randy Couture was only a -600 favorite vs James Toney and we all saw how that went.  


 
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Floyd wouldn't have a 0% chance inside the octagon either. He would, however, have a much much much smaller chance of winning inside the octagon than Conor would inside a boxing ring, simply because there's so much more Floyd doesn't know about MMA than there is that Conor doesn't know about boxing. Conor at least has an amateur boxing background and trains boxing in every single one of his fight camps, while Floyd has absolutely no experience of any kind in kickboxing, jiu jitsu, muay thai, wrestling, etc.

There's literally a probability greater than zero (albeit infinitesimal) of the sun not rising tomorrow, yet somehow we are to believe that McGregor has a 0% chance in a combat sport, where we've seen far crazier things happen throughout its history? Again, you're being silly.

Let's perform an experiment, to see just how well you know the sport, as well as the two fighters and their styles, strengths, and weaknesses. Say you were McGregor's coach for this fight, and you were tasked with coming up with a gameplan for August 26. Let's say you would be given a $1 million bonus if the strategy worked and McGregor won the fight. What would your gameplan be? Do you see any path to victory at all? Or would you simply just throw in the towel before the fight even began?

I'll post my gameplan, too.
 
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You are getting too mathematical and technical here.  This is a clown show circus act money grab we're talking about.  McGregor has hardly trained to just box. Floyd' been at this his entire life.  There is nothing to break down, Conor's going to be in the ring like a fish out of water and get picked apart and toyed with like a joke. 
McGregor only doing this for the money, It's probably a one-off.  He won't give a crap about his boxing career after he loses this fight badly, he'll be back in the UFC in no time.  Floyd's got a legacy, 50-0 and boxing's name to protect.  He's going to punish McGregor i am telling you. Forget about the sun, the moon, the stars, Eddie Bravo, the Superbowl or the rest of your silly nonsense.  This is going to be a one sided beatdown. 

Lets perform a experiment.  lol ur such a clown.

I see no path to victory without cheating. One option is I'd fire myself, tell Conor to hire Panama Lewis as new trainer and tape a brick on each hand.  
Or i would tell him to get steel plates surgically implanted in his head and hope Floyd breaks both his hands.  

Your experiment is silly silly.........

Floyd by stoppage is still free money btw   





 
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So you don't really know anything about boxing, or these particular competitors, other than stuff you've been told by Max Kellerman. I figured that was the case, but it's nice to have some confirmation.


 
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lol what do you want a scientific breakdown on how 49-0 beats 0-0?

Kellerman knows whats up you should maybe listen to him yourself....

i'm trying to help you make some money here...

bet Floyd by KO/TKO/Disqualification -150  and thank me later....
 
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You're clearly new to this whole betting thing. There's no such thing as free money or guaranteed outcomes. That's something only a casual would say.

Someone who knows what they're doing will breakdown both sides in order to assess the risk/reward. Everyone gets things wrong from time to time, but this is how people are successful over the long term.

Making the case for Floyd should be easy. But there's also a case to be made for Conor. Completely ignoring the possibility of the upset is asinine, since that's where the real money will be, should it occur.

I'm still working on my full breakdown, but I'll post an indepth one just as I did for SB LI.
 
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By the way, several 5 and 6 figure bets have come in on McGregor in recent days (coincidentally, after his sparring session with Paulie Malignaggi, where he  reportedly looked very good.)
 
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Making a case for McGregor is asinine.....

LOL Stop it.  Just stop.........You are embarrassing yourself....

Play a lotto ticket instead.  odds are a lot better than +400





 
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Quote Originally Posted by SamLangford:

Making a case for McGregor is asinine.....

LOL Stop it.  Just stop.........You are embarrassing yourself....

Play a lotto ticket instead.  odds are a lot better than +400


You've posted the exact same illiterate drivel in literally every single post you've made. You're the only one here embarrassing yourself.

You're a newbie. It's abundantly clear every time you post (while assaulting the English language) about "free money."
 
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Some interesting stuff about the betting breakdown so far. Casuals are mostly on McGregor, as expected. But it looks like there are sharps on both sides, with several coming in on McGregor in recent days.

>>>>> a spokesman for Bookmaker.eu

“The public is certainly siding with McGregor because they like the value, but we have wiseguys on both sides of this fight,” he said. “There are highly respected players that believe McGregor has a good chance to upset Mayweather. Whether that trend continues over the next month remains to be seen.” <<<<<<


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/sports/conor-mcgregor-floyd-mayweather-jr-fight-odds.html


> Darren Rovell ? @darrenrovell

A bettor in Nevada placed $150,000 today on Conor McGregor to beat Floyd at a @WilliamHillUS sports book. If Conor wins, he'll net $662,500.


https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/889629914214924290


> Chris Andrews?Verified account 

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Just took $35,000 on McGregor by KO at 6/1. Mc KO now 5/1, Mc dec 20/1, May KO -160, May dec +200. Fight -600/+450. Go 7.5 yes -120/no even


https://twitter.com/andrewssports/status/889598980329324544


> According to ESPN’s David Purdum, who covers gambling for the sports network, for every one Mayweather bet, there’s 19 on McGregor. William Hill also reports that it recently took three separate $50,000 wagers from the same person on McGregor winning. That would net the gambler $662,500 should the slips be victorious.


https://www.casino.org/news/big-bets-on-conor-mcgregor-tighten-odds-against-floyd-mayweather

 
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First off I believe by your words you have never been ina boxing ring in your life and if you had you would understand what Sam is trying to say to you.Zerooooo chance of winning.If I was training Conner I would have him use his face to break both of floyds hands only strategy that could work.I do like the panama Lewis plan though.He is going to be countered to death .He is only willing to risk humiliation because of the money is so great.
 
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It looks like plenty of sharps strongly disagree with you.

Also, you'll excuse me if I don't take some random fat guy online seriously when he accuses someone else of never stepping foot inside of a boxing ring.

Let's take a look at the match up:

Floyd's Philly shell, that he has used to great success throughout his career, is designed to be used against an orthodox stance. He blocks jabs with his guard and has right hand bombs deflect off his shoulder into the air. When you go southpaw (McGregor is a southpaw) he doesn't have the same ability to deal with jabs in the same manner. McGregor may not use his right hand in the same way some of Mayweather's opponents have - i.e. for powerful jabs. He uses it to gauge distance and set up his powerful left hand. His left hand, nevertheless, should still be tougher to block in the manner that Mayweather is most comfortable with - the philly shell. 

McGregor has pretty much all the physical attributes on his side, like height, weight, reach, strength, power, etc., but he also brings a far more unorthodox and unpredictable style and toolbox. He can fight from a variety of different stances that Mayweather has never experienced inside the ring - all of which designed for specific situations. 

The gameplan that could be most successful for McGregor would be the following:

Many people talk about Conor's power, and that his only chance of winning this would be to rush in aggressively with a clean shot with the left. I think that would be the wrong approach vs a defensive genius like Mayweather. McGregor should utilize a lot of what makes him a successful MMA striker in this fight. He needs to be fighting from an MMA distance, which is several inches longer than the normal boxing distance. This will allow him to stay out of Mayweather's reach, will still allowing him to attack from the outside, given his reach advantage. Whenever Mayweather tries to close the distance, he should immediately clinch. He can try some dirty boxing while in the clinch, but that shouldn't be his primary goal. His goal should be to disengage and push Mayweather away as quickly as possible, in order to maintain that MMA distance. McGregor will have the advantage in the clinch, due to his size and grappling knowledge - he's had far more experience battling for underhooks in the clinch, and has a deep knowledge of greco roman wrestling stances. 

His attacks from the outside should come from a variety of different stances (mostly traditional boxing, but constantly switch from that to thai boxingstance , karate stance, capoeira, greco roman wrestling, etc) that Mayweather has never seen before. Give Mayweather as many different looks as possible to throw off his timing and to make him uncomfortable. 

I'm confident that this approach, or something very similar, is what will be utilized by McGregor on fight night. Paulie Malignaggi, who has sparred with him, alluded to the fact that Conor is not simply relying on his left hand, and that he knows what he's doing in there and that he has a good gameplan. Also pointed out the fact that he's very unorthodox, but that there's a method to his madness. I think the above plan of attack could be successful if executed perfectly.

We'll revisit this thread after August 26.
 
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SamLangford is speaking facts  Floyd by TKO yall trippin lol 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by BrownianMotion:

It looks like plenty of sharps strongly disagree with you.

Also, you'll excuse me if I don't take some random fat guy online seriously when he accuses someone else of never stepping foot inside of a boxing ring.

Let's take a look at the match up:

Floyd's Philly shell, that he has used to great success throughout his career, is designed to be used against an orthodox stance. He blocks jabs with his guard and has right hand bombs deflect off his shoulder into the air. When you go southpaw (McGregor is a southpaw) he doesn't have the same ability to deal with jabs in the same manner. McGregor may not use his right hand in the same way some of Mayweather's opponents have - i.e. for powerful jabs. He uses it to gauge distance and set up his powerful left hand. His left hand, nevertheless, should still be tougher to block in the manner that Mayweather is most comfortable with - the philly shell. 

McGregor has pretty much all the physical attributes on his side, like height, weight, reach, strength, power, etc., but he also brings a far more unorthodox and unpredictable style and toolbox. He can fight from a variety of different stances that Mayweather has never experienced inside the ring - all of which designed for specific situations. 

The gameplan that could be most successful for McGregor would be the following:

Many people talk about Conor's power, and that his only chance of winning this would be to rush in aggressively with a clean shot with the left. I think that would be the wrong approach vs a defensive genius like Mayweather. McGregor should utilize a lot of what makes him a successful MMA striker in this fight. He needs to be fighting from an MMA distance, which is several inches longer than the normal boxing distance. This will allow him to stay out of Mayweather's reach, will still allowing him to attack from the outside, given his reach advantage. Whenever Mayweather tries to close the distance, he should immediately clinch. He can try some dirty boxing while in the clinch, but that shouldn't be his primary goal. His goal should be to disengage and push Mayweather away as quickly as possible, in order to maintain that MMA distance. McGregor will have the advantage in the clinch, due to his size and grappling knowledge - he's had far more experience battling for underhooks in the clinch, and has a deep knowledge of greco roman wrestling stances. 

His attacks from the outside should come from a variety of different stances (mostly traditional boxing, but constantly switch from that to thai boxingstance , karate stance, capoeira, greco roman wrestling, etc) that Mayweather has never seen before. Give Mayweather as many different looks as possible to throw off his timing and to make him uncomfortable. 

I'm confident that this approach, or something very similar, is what will be utilized by McGregor on fight night. Paulie Malignaggi, who has sparred with him, alluded to the fact that Conor is not simply relying on his left hand, and that he knows what he's doing in there and that he has a good gameplan. Also pointed out the fact that he's very unorthodox, but that there's a method to his madness. I think the above plan of attack could be successful if executed perfectly.

We'll revisit this thread after August 26.
Nice write-up  you make some good points about McGregor the MMA fighter.  but none of us really know what McGregor the Boxer is.  It's the unknown factor in this fight.  Logicly i'm sorry there is no argument to support McGregor beating Floyd Mayweather in a boxing ring.  BUT.... i can admit, crazier things have happened in boxing, its the most corrupt sport in the world, and with this much money on the table anything is possible. Albeit highly highly unlikely. If McGregor wins or even make it the distance i will gladly eat my words.  

If McGregor were to win it would in my opinion be one of the greatest upsets in the history of sports.  At +400 there is absolutely no value there.

We can agree to disagree BrownionMotion.  It's all good.  I meant no malice. Just got defensive because you took shots at me in the opening post, and i immaturely made the point to be as much of an fool as possible responding to you.  Hope the animosity ends there.

Enjoy the Fight!


 
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Fair enough. 

And I do agree that it would be regarded as the biggest upset, as seemingly every pundit is giving him no chance.
 
 
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0 chance is stupid .05% is most i will give meaning theres a chance FM slips on connors sweat and 1 out of 200 punches thrown knocks him out. been on sports 2 decades. ive seen alota upset. and this -375 line is the most uneven and as close to a guarantee as you will see in all of sports maybe in a lifetime.of course theres rich people who will throw 50k on CM. no matter what stance CM uses his punches will come in slow motion and hell be too open and get hit. yall act like floyd lost all his reflexes and had no defence. i personally see fight going upto 6 , first 2 rounds they will feel each other out. mcgregor goes for the honerun in 3rd, gasses out. floyd goes to town. how are yall overthinking this
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