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    Mayweather-Marquez===Where The Value Can Be Found

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    Redlad
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2009 - 5:57 AM ET #1

    OK=== I've went over this fight in my mind at least 100 times. I can only come up with one conclusion on the outcome. That conclusion is that the fight WILL GO THE DISTANCE! I'll try to briefly explain why without becoming overly redundant due to prior posts.

    I'd like to begin with Mayweather because his strategy should determine how this fight plays out. Will Floyd suddenly change his mindset & be overly aggressive & come out with Guns a blazing? I think not. He might talk all the smack he wants about KOing Marquez but he is intelligent enough to know that over aggressiveness, would be his worst possible game-plan in this match-up. Remember Floyd has always been a Safety First Defensive minded fighter. And that is against boxers with less then half the skill of a Marquez. He also has shown that he very rarely punches in combinations unless he has an opponent badly hurt (discounting many over matched foes). He usually wins by using his great reflexs & hand speed to dazzle his opponent into submission one punch at a time. If he is up against a face first boxer (Gatti,Hatton), he might tend to open up a little more because of his edge in boxing instincts & speed. He will not risk being counter-punched by a Master such as Marquez by leaving himself open by over aggressiveness. This I am very confident of. His best chance of a clear cut victory is to Box & avoid exchanges. Why would the best DEFENSIVE fighter in the game today take any unnecessary chances of getting beat by the other man's strength. That makes no sense to me. I do not buy into the theory that he has to look good to promote a future bout with Pac-man. I think he will be thrilled just to get a Win.

    As for Marquez

    One of the best technicians in the fight game today. Always seems to be able to make the right adjustments as the bout progresses. The moving up in weight factor is being overly focused on IMO. There will not be that much of a difference on the night of the fight. Reach & speed disadvantage should be much more of a concern for JMM. But can he compensate for the this disadvantage? I think he has a good chance. Why? Because of timing & the ability to adjust as previously mentioned. He needs to work the body & make Floyd a little gun-shy. He will have the crowd behind him & might get the benefit of the doubt in close rounds. He also has to be weary of being TOO aggressive himself. Floyd has a way of turning this action in his favor. Can he KO Floyd? I highly doubt that will happen either. Money just too good on the defense. But I do expect a chess match between 2 Masters. Both have respect for each other. Neither will want to make that big mistake that will cost them the fight. If Floyd fights a very Defensive type of fight (which I think he will) & Marquez looks for the perfect counter-punch (which i think he might) we should see a carefully fought match that goes the distance. I make the probability on this about 3-1. Of course you can always have an unexpected head butt or cut that shortens the bout, but I think I have factored that into my odds. So laying -145 seems like a great VALUE bet. Mayweather, I think deserves to be about a 3-1 favorite but 4,5 seems a tad to high in a fight that I think should be fairly close. I'll also take a small stab at Marquez by decision at + 7.5 to 1.


    Final Plays

    Fights goes the distance -145 === 5 Units

    Marquez + 7.5 -1  by decision    1 Unit

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    OK=== I've went over this fight in my mind at least 100 times. I can only come up with one conclusion on the outcome. That conclusion is that the fight WILL GO THE DISTANCE! I'll try to briefly explain why without becoming overly redundant due to prior posts.

    I'd like to begin with Mayweather because his strategy should determine how this fight plays out. Will Floyd suddenly change his mindset & be overly aggressive & come out with Guns a blazing? I think not. He might talk all the smack he wants about KOing Marquez but he is intelligent enough to know that over aggressiveness, would be his worst possible game-plan in this match-up. Remember Floyd has always been a Safety First Defensive minded fighter. And that is against boxers with less then half the skill of a Marquez. He also has shown that he very rarely punches in combinations unless he has an opponent badly hurt (discounting many over matched foes). He usually wins by using his great reflexs & hand speed to dazzle his opponent into submission one punch at a time. If he is up against a face first boxer (Gatti,Hatton), he might tend to open up a little more because of his edge in boxing instincts & speed. He will not risk being counter-punched by a Master such as Marquez by leaving himself open by over aggressiveness. This I am very confident of. His best chance of a clear cut victory is to Box & avoid exchanges. Why would the best DEFENSIVE fighter in the game today take any unnecessary chances of getting beat by the other man's strength. That makes no sense to me. I do not buy into the theory that he has to look good to promote a future bout with Pac-man. I think he will be thrilled just to get a Win.

    As for Marquez

    One of the best technicians in the fight game today. Always seems to be able to make the right adjustments as the bout progresses. The moving up in weight factor is being overly focused on IMO. There will not be that much of a difference on the night of the fight. Reach & speed disadvantage should be much more of a concern for JMM. But can he compensate for the this disadvantage? I think he has a good chance. Why? Because of timing & the ability to adjust as previously mentioned. He needs to work the body & make Floyd a little gun-shy. He will have the crowd behind him & might get the benefit of the doubt in close rounds. He also has to be weary of being TOO aggressive himself. Floyd has a way of turning this action in his favor. Can he KO Floyd? I highly doubt that will happen either. Money just too good on the defense. But I do expect a chess match between 2 Masters. Both have respect for each other. Neither will want to make that big mistake that will cost them the fight. If Floyd fights a very Defensive type of fight (which I think he will) & Marquez looks for the perfect counter-punch (which i think he might) we should see a carefully fought match that goes the distance. I make the probability on this about 3-1. Of course you can always have an unexpected head butt or cut that shortens the bout, but I think I have factored that into my odds. So laying -145 seems like a great VALUE bet. Mayweather, I think deserves to be about a 3-1 favorite but 4,5 seems a tad to high in a fight that I think should be fairly close. I'll also take a small stab at Marquez by decision at + 7.5 to 1.


    Final Plays

    Fights goes the distance -145 === 5 Units

    Marquez + 7.5 -1  by decision    1 Unit

     
    Stinky1
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2009 - 3:28 PM ET #2

    How will Marquez get a decision when boxing is fixed and Floyd is a cash cow?

    I say bet the bankroll on Money Mayweather to win. He will either get the TKO or the decision even if Marquez fights better.

    Just saying...
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    How will Marquez get a decision when boxing is fixed and Floyd is a cash cow?

    I say bet the bankroll on Money Mayweather to win. He will either get the TKO or the decision even if Marquez fights better.

    Just saying...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2009 - 6:40 PM ET #3

    I SAY THAT WOULD  BE AN  ACCURATE  STATEMENT...12rds    5 LARGE      5,000.000
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    I SAY THAT WOULD  BE AN  ACCURATE  STATEMENT...12rds    5 LARGE      5,000.000
     
    Redlad
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2009 - 1:13 AM ET #4

    It's nice to be half incorrect about a fight & still come up with a profit of 4 Units. Bottom line is the weight did make much more of a difference then I had anticipated. The extra 2 pounds that Mayweather cheated for may not have seemed like a big deal, but I believe it pushed him way over the top in end. Don't get me wrong, even at 144 he still wins 9 out of 10 times, so my odds on the side proved to be substantially off. As for the OVER.... if he couldn't get a KO with this much of an edge in size, you have to question his punching power, or his reluctance to take any chances against any quality opponent. My odds on no K.O. were Spot On & even maybe a little undervalued. Was I the only one who was ready to heave by the Ass Kissing the announcers directed at Floyd? You would have thought that he had Marquez in trouble every single round. With all their BS, Marquez was only hurt badly once in the whole fight. Frustrated- YES.... HURT- NO.

    Final Bet Decisions for Me


    Fight Goes The Distance -145   5 UNITS  W 


    Marquez by decision +7,5 to 1  1UNIT   L 


    + 4 Units of Profit for the night.    
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    It's nice to be half incorrect about a fight & still come up with a profit of 4 Units. Bottom line is the weight did make much more of a difference then I had anticipated. The extra 2 pounds that Mayweather cheated for may not have seemed like a big deal, but I believe it pushed him way over the top in end. Don't get me wrong, even at 144 he still wins 9 out of 10 times, so my odds on the side proved to be substantially off. As for the OVER.... if he couldn't get a KO with this much of an edge in size, you have to question his punching power, or his reluctance to take any chances against any quality opponent. My odds on no K.O. were Spot On & even maybe a little undervalued. Was I the only one who was ready to heave by the Ass Kissing the announcers directed at Floyd? You would have thought that he had Marquez in trouble every single round. With all their BS, Marquez was only hurt badly once in the whole fight. Frustrated- YES.... HURT- NO.

    Final Bet Decisions for Me


    Fight Goes The Distance -145   5 UNITS  W 


    Marquez by decision +7,5 to 1  1UNIT   L 


    + 4 Units of Profit for the night.    
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2009 - 1:13 AM ET #5

    great call/ excellent capping. Thanks for contributions to the forum
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    great call/ excellent capping. Thanks for contributions to the forum
     
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2009 - 1:52 AM ET #6

    Thank You!!!

    But this bout didn't go exactly as I thought it would. I have to admit I was a little lucky that Floyd just will NOT take any risks, even when he has this much of a size advantage. Lucky I was right about that fact.
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    Thank You!!!

    But this bout didn't go exactly as I thought it would. I have to admit I was a little lucky that Floyd just will NOT take any risks, even when he has this much of a size advantage. Lucky I was right about that fact.
     
     
    Stinky1
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    Posted: Sep. 20, 2009 - 4:33 AM ET #7

    Great call.

    Fat Floyd cheated when he didn't have too.

    What a desperate bastard. Hopefully he can pay his bills now and get a two bit accountant to balance his checkbook.


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    Great call.

    Fat Floyd cheated when he didn't have too.

    What a desperate bastard. Hopefully he can pay his bills now and get a two bit accountant to balance his checkbook.


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