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    Larry Merchant asking WIlliams if Floyd could be next

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    NJDevils
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    Posted: May. 9, 2010 - 2:20 PM ET #1

    If I was WIlliams I would have just said "Floyd will never ever ever fight me" and just called him out

    There is no way Floyd would get in the ring with Williams
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    If I was WIlliams I would have just said "Floyd will never ever ever fight me" and just called him out

    There is no way Floyd would get in the ring with Williams
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2010 - 4:43 PM ET #2

    Williams offers nothing for Floyd. He is not a big enough name for Floyd to fight him. He is too big and awkward for Floyd to want to take a risk. I think Floyd finds away to win but no way he takes this fight. Paul Williams should be looking at Mosley and take it from there..
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    Williams offers nothing for Floyd. He is not a big enough name for Floyd to fight him. He is too big and awkward for Floyd to want to take a risk. I think Floyd finds away to win but no way he takes this fight. Paul Williams should be looking at Mosley and take it from there..
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2010 - 8:11 PM ET #3

    Take last night.. BOTH fighters were being booed, for 3 rounds.

    They have ZERO following outside of the boxing circle.

    Personally I feel Paul Williams is an idiot he moved up in weight when the division was ripe.

    Paul Williams has no fan base to support the type of money fight Floyd wants to generate.

    Williams will fight Martinez again. That was a great fight.

    You need to have a following all around East Coast West Coast ... North South.. you name it.. sadly Paul Williams doesn't have that.

    I personally would like to see Floyd fight Timothy Bradley but he's another guy great fighter.. and getting better but doesn't have a massive following to generate a Mega PPV event.

                                               
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    Take last night.. BOTH fighters were being booed, for 3 rounds.

    They have ZERO following outside of the boxing circle.

    Personally I feel Paul Williams is an idiot he moved up in weight when the division was ripe.

    Paul Williams has no fan base to support the type of money fight Floyd wants to generate.

    Williams will fight Martinez again. That was a great fight.

    You need to have a following all around East Coast West Coast ... North South.. you name it.. sadly Paul Williams doesn't have that.

    I personally would like to see Floyd fight Timothy Bradley but he's another guy great fighter.. and getting better but doesn't have a massive following to generate a Mega PPV event.

                                               
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2010 - 8:14 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Williams offers nothing for Floyd. He is not a big enough name for Floyd to fight him. He is too big and awkward for Floyd to want to take a risk. I think Floyd finds away to win but no way he takes this fight. Paul Williams should be looking at Mosley and take it from there..

    Mack 05

    Williams barely beat S. Martinez (which I don't believe he did) but all that being said........ FM would find a way to beat Willaims inspite of the fact that PW is the jab king.

    Question.

    With FM's victory over SSM has he priced himself out of the market and does he have many marque fights left?????

     

    Other than PacMan ( Great Money....... I don't believe that it would be a good match up.)

    S. Martinez (Not good money ...... Martinez is a great athlete but an average boxer with very good speed)

    A. Berto (Average money...... up and coming fighter..... but I believe is presently underachieving on his talent)

     

    Where does FM go?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Williams offers nothing for Floyd. He is not a big enough name for Floyd to fight him. He is too big and awkward for Floyd to want to take a risk. I think Floyd finds away to win but no way he takes this fight. Paul Williams should be looking at Mosley and take it from there..

    Mack 05

    Williams barely beat S. Martinez (which I don't believe he did) but all that being said........ FM would find a way to beat Willaims inspite of the fact that PW is the jab king.

    Question.

    With FM's victory over SSM has he priced himself out of the market and does he have many marque fights left?????

     

    Other than PacMan ( Great Money....... I don't believe that it would be a good match up.)

    S. Martinez (Not good money ...... Martinez is a great athlete but an average boxer with very good speed)

    A. Berto (Average money...... up and coming fighter..... but I believe is presently underachieving on his talent)

     

    Where does FM go?????

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2010 - 10:14 PM ET #5

    you are right rich,,,per usual,,not exactly sure why paul doesnt have more of a fan base he seems to be an exciting view
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    you are right rich,,,per usual,,not exactly sure why paul doesnt have more of a fan base he seems to be an exciting view
     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2010 - 7:20 AM ET #6

    Licialen that is a good question. I think Floyd now has 3 options. He could fight Manny Pacquaio and give the fans what we all want. I honestly don't know if the fight will happen. I was wrong when I said Floyd would not fight Shane Mosley. I am going to guess no that the Pacquaio fight is ever going to happen. Hope I am wrong.  

    The second option is to fight Sergio Martinez @154. There of course can be a case made that Martinez is not a big enough name for Floyd, but I have a funny feeling this fight would sell and that Mayweather would take it.

    Last but not least is the route I think Floyd will go. Miguel Cotto is fighting Yuri Foreman. If Cotto wins and can win impressively then I think Floyd will fight Cotto. Yes there is the problem of Arum being Cotto's promoter, but this fight ticks all the boxes for Floyd. It will sell, its potentially for a title @154 and realistically Cotto can't win.

    Paul Williams like Chad Dawson can't sell sh! t. This is why guys like Hopkins, Calzaghe, Pacman or Mayweather will not fight them. Why fight a potentially dangerous opponent and get little money to do so. Paul Williams needs to target Berto or Mosley. If he can win those type of fights then his star can improve and then who knows..

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    Licialen that is a good question. I think Floyd now has 3 options. He could fight Manny Pacquaio and give the fans what we all want. I honestly don't know if the fight will happen. I was wrong when I said Floyd would not fight Shane Mosley. I am going to guess no that the Pacquaio fight is ever going to happen. Hope I am wrong.  

    The second option is to fight Sergio Martinez @154. There of course can be a case made that Martinez is not a big enough name for Floyd, but I have a funny feeling this fight would sell and that Mayweather would take it.

    Last but not least is the route I think Floyd will go. Miguel Cotto is fighting Yuri Foreman. If Cotto wins and can win impressively then I think Floyd will fight Cotto. Yes there is the problem of Arum being Cotto's promoter, but this fight ticks all the boxes for Floyd. It will sell, its potentially for a title @154 and realistically Cotto can't win.

    Paul Williams like Chad Dawson can't sell sh! t. This is why guys like Hopkins, Calzaghe, Pacman or Mayweather will not fight them. Why fight a potentially dangerous opponent and get little money to do so. Paul Williams needs to target Berto or Mosley. If he can win those type of fights then his star can improve and then who knows..

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2010 - 8:56 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Licialen that is a good question. I think Floyd now has 3 options. He could fight Manny Pacquaio and give the fans what we all want. I honestly don't know if the fight will happen. I was wrong when I said Floyd would not fight Shane Mosley. I am going to guess no that the Pacquaio fight is ever going to happen. Hope I am wrong.  

    The second option is to fight Sergio Martinez @154. There of course can be a case made that Martinez is not a big enough name for Floyd, but I have a funny feeling this fight would sell and that Mayweather would take it.

    Last but not least is the route I think Floyd will go. Miguel Cotto is fighting Yuri Foreman. If Cotto wins and can win impressively then I think Floyd will fight Cotto. Yes there is the problem of Arum being Cotto's promoter, but this fight ticks all the boxes for Floyd. It will sell, its potentially for a title @154 and realistically Cotto can't win.

    Paul Williams like Chad Dawson can't sell sh! t. This is why guys like Hopkins, Calzaghe, Pacman or Mayweather will not fight them. Why fight a potentially dangerous opponent and get little money to do so. Paul Williams needs to target Berto or Mosley. If he can win those type of fights then his star can improve and then who knows..

    I agree with the first two choices although I disagree with the weight for Martinez.....I told you in one of your previous post "I think FM can steal a belt @ 160LBS" and I think it will be Martinez as the victim....... FM would probably revert back to his old style of boxing with a slight mixture of the stand and fight (just to show Martinez who is faster)

     

    Cotto (is a surprise) and FM and Arum presents other problems.  Cotto would want the fight but what happens when FM requests "Random Blood Testing".  Can Cotto say yes to this fight knowing that a yes means "Blood Testing" and thus a slap in the face of Manny and Arum. I know that Arum and Cotto have been at odds but this fight and subsequent loss to FM has the potential to be a career ender for Cotto. It would be a huge payday but do the ends justify the means for Cotto?????

     

    Just My opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Licialen that is a good question. I think Floyd now has 3 options. He could fight Manny Pacquaio and give the fans what we all want. I honestly don't know if the fight will happen. I was wrong when I said Floyd would not fight Shane Mosley. I am going to guess no that the Pacquaio fight is ever going to happen. Hope I am wrong.  

    The second option is to fight Sergio Martinez @154. There of course can be a case made that Martinez is not a big enough name for Floyd, but I have a funny feeling this fight would sell and that Mayweather would take it.

    Last but not least is the route I think Floyd will go. Miguel Cotto is fighting Yuri Foreman. If Cotto wins and can win impressively then I think Floyd will fight Cotto. Yes there is the problem of Arum being Cotto's promoter, but this fight ticks all the boxes for Floyd. It will sell, its potentially for a title @154 and realistically Cotto can't win.

    Paul Williams like Chad Dawson can't sell sh! t. This is why guys like Hopkins, Calzaghe, Pacman or Mayweather will not fight them. Why fight a potentially dangerous opponent and get little money to do so. Paul Williams needs to target Berto or Mosley. If he can win those type of fights then his star can improve and then who knows..

    I agree with the first two choices although I disagree with the weight for Martinez.....I told you in one of your previous post "I think FM can steal a belt @ 160LBS" and I think it will be Martinez as the victim....... FM would probably revert back to his old style of boxing with a slight mixture of the stand and fight (just to show Martinez who is faster)

     

    Cotto (is a surprise) and FM and Arum presents other problems.  Cotto would want the fight but what happens when FM requests "Random Blood Testing".  Can Cotto say yes to this fight knowing that a yes means "Blood Testing" and thus a slap in the face of Manny and Arum. I know that Arum and Cotto have been at odds but this fight and subsequent loss to FM has the potential to be a career ender for Cotto. It would be a huge payday but do the ends justify the means for Cotto?????

     

    Just My opinion

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2010 - 1:34 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Licialen that is a good question. I think Floyd now has 3 options. He could fight Manny Pacquaio and give the fans what we all want. I honestly don't know if the fight will happen. I was wrong when I said Floyd would not fight Shane Mosley. I am going to guess no that the Pacquaio fight is ever going to happen. Hope I am wrong.  

    The second option is to fight Sergio Martinez @154. There of course can be a case made that Martinez is not a big enough name for Floyd, but I have a funny feeling this fight would sell and that Mayweather would take it.

    Last but not least is the route I think Floyd will go. Miguel Cotto is fighting Yuri Foreman. If Cotto wins and can win impressively then I think Floyd will fight Cotto. Yes there is the problem of Arum being Cotto's promoter, but this fight ticks all the boxes for Floyd. It will sell, its potentially for a title @154 and realistically Cotto can't win.

    Paul Williams like Chad Dawson can't sell sh! t. This is why guys like Hopkins, Calzaghe, Pacman or Mayweather will not fight them. Why fight a potentially dangerous opponent and get little money to do so. Paul Williams needs to target Berto or Mosley. If he can win those type of fights then his star can improve and then who knows..



    I think he has a few other options.. Timothy Bradley in my opinion would be the BEST fight but doesn't have a great following so he needs one more Marquee fight.

    Sergio likes to use his feet a lot, and so does Floyd... not a PPV seller even though Martinez does mix it up he does it like Floyd "IN spurts".

    Cotto is done, I believe he will retire after this fight.

    Now Pacquio won his election, so this fight will take Place in Nov/Dec.I can see both guys taking this as their last fight ever.

    They will clear about 40 million a piece, and hang up the gloves after that.

    Sadly Pacman did win his election so now some of the attention will be off of him and possibly onto another fighter if they don't want to wait.
    https://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/05/10/manny-pacquiao-election-results/

                                         


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Licialen that is a good question. I think Floyd now has 3 options. He could fight Manny Pacquaio and give the fans what we all want. I honestly don't know if the fight will happen. I was wrong when I said Floyd would not fight Shane Mosley. I am going to guess no that the Pacquaio fight is ever going to happen. Hope I am wrong.  

    The second option is to fight Sergio Martinez @154. There of course can be a case made that Martinez is not a big enough name for Floyd, but I have a funny feeling this fight would sell and that Mayweather would take it.

    Last but not least is the route I think Floyd will go. Miguel Cotto is fighting Yuri Foreman. If Cotto wins and can win impressively then I think Floyd will fight Cotto. Yes there is the problem of Arum being Cotto's promoter, but this fight ticks all the boxes for Floyd. It will sell, its potentially for a title @154 and realistically Cotto can't win.

    Paul Williams like Chad Dawson can't sell sh! t. This is why guys like Hopkins, Calzaghe, Pacman or Mayweather will not fight them. Why fight a potentially dangerous opponent and get little money to do so. Paul Williams needs to target Berto or Mosley. If he can win those type of fights then his star can improve and then who knows..



    I think he has a few other options.. Timothy Bradley in my opinion would be the BEST fight but doesn't have a great following so he needs one more Marquee fight.

    Sergio likes to use his feet a lot, and so does Floyd... not a PPV seller even though Martinez does mix it up he does it like Floyd "IN spurts".

    Cotto is done, I believe he will retire after this fight.

    Now Pacquio won his election, so this fight will take Place in Nov/Dec.I can see both guys taking this as their last fight ever.

    They will clear about 40 million a piece, and hang up the gloves after that.

    Sadly Pacman did win his election so now some of the attention will be off of him and possibly onto another fighter if they don't want to wait.
    https://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/05/10/manny-pacquiao-election-results/

                                         


     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2010 - 1:46 PM ET #9

    Fans are idiots, they boo everything nowadays

    if the fight isnt Hagler Hearns they boo

    the idiot MMA fans do the same shit


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    Fans are idiots, they boo everything nowadays

    if the fight isnt Hagler Hearns they boo

    the idiot MMA fans do the same shit


     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2010 - 2:08 PM ET #10

    I don't agree Rich. Cotto won't retire if he wins here. He will look for one more big fight/even superfight and then go.
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    I don't agree Rich. Cotto won't retire if he wins here. He will look for one more big fight/even superfight and then go.
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2010 - 2:41 PM ET #11

    Floyd only fights easy fights that will clear alot of money hence the stupid nickname. He's not in it for the sport or he would lay it all on the line like all of the all-time greats. I don't think he really wants any of manny or anyone else that has a great shot of beating him. He could have fought Cotto along time ago, he would only fight him how because he's pretty much finished as a top level fighter. I don't think it would even be a good fight anymore.
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    Floyd only fights easy fights that will clear alot of money hence the stupid nickname. He's not in it for the sport or he would lay it all on the line like all of the all-time greats. I don't think he really wants any of manny or anyone else that has a great shot of beating him. He could have fought Cotto along time ago, he would only fight him how because he's pretty much finished as a top level fighter. I don't think it would even be a good fight anymore.
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2010 - 12:42 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Take last night.. BOTH fighters were being booed, for 3 rounds.

    They have ZERO following outside of the boxing circle.

    Personally I feel Paul Williams is an idiot he moved up in weight when the division was ripe.

    Paul Williams has no fan base to support the type of money fight Floyd wants to generate.

    Williams will fight Martinez again. That was a great fight.

    You need to have a following all around East Coast West Coast ... North South.. you name it.. sadly Paul Williams doesn't have that.

    I personally would like to see Floyd fight Timothy Bradley but he's another guy great fighter.. and getting better but doesn't have a massive following to generate a Mega PPV event.

                                               

    I don't think Floyd would want bradley either. Bradley one of them non stop unintimated punchers. Even though he don't have alot of power he leads with his head. He would bust floyd up that way. Bradley like you say is getting better and has a hugh heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Take last night.. BOTH fighters were being booed, for 3 rounds.

    They have ZERO following outside of the boxing circle.

    Personally I feel Paul Williams is an idiot he moved up in weight when the division was ripe.

    Paul Williams has no fan base to support the type of money fight Floyd wants to generate.

    Williams will fight Martinez again. That was a great fight.

    You need to have a following all around East Coast West Coast ... North South.. you name it.. sadly Paul Williams doesn't have that.

    I personally would like to see Floyd fight Timothy Bradley but he's another guy great fighter.. and getting better but doesn't have a massive following to generate a Mega PPV event.

                                               

    I don't think Floyd would want bradley either. Bradley one of them non stop unintimated punchers. Even though he don't have alot of power he leads with his head. He would bust floyd up that way. Bradley like you say is getting better and has a hugh heart.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd2010:

    Floyd only fights easy fights that will clear alot of money hence the stupid nickname. He's not in it for the sport or he would lay it all on the line like all of the all-time greats. I don't think he really wants any of manny or anyone else that has a great shot of beating him. He could have fought Cotto along time ago, he would only fight him how because he's pretty much finished as a top level fighter. I don't think it would even be a good fight anymore.

     I don't think so either. Cotto cuts if you look at him wrong. He does have a hugh fan base though. Floyd would take the easy pay day if he could get it. Cotto probally jump on it for the money but would get a boxing lesson for sure. Cotto finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd2010:

    Floyd only fights easy fights that will clear alot of money hence the stupid nickname. He's not in it for the sport or he would lay it all on the line like all of the all-time greats. I don't think he really wants any of manny or anyone else that has a great shot of beating him. He could have fought Cotto along time ago, he would only fight him how because he's pretty much finished as a top level fighter. I don't think it would even be a good fight anymore.

     I don't think so either. Cotto cuts if you look at him wrong. He does have a hugh fan base though. Floyd would take the easy pay day if he could get it. Cotto probally jump on it for the money but would get a boxing lesson for sure. Cotto finished.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPapa21:

    I don't think Floyd would want bradley either. Bradley one of them non stop unintimated punchers. Even though he don't have alot of power he leads with his head. He would bust floyd up that way. Bradley like you say is getting better and has a hugh heart.



    Bradley has average to below average power. Floyd would be MUCH bigger than Bradley. Stronger. Faster. In fact, Floyd would stop Bradley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPapa21:

    I don't think Floyd would want bradley either. Bradley one of them non stop unintimated punchers. Even though he don't have alot of power he leads with his head. He would bust floyd up that way. Bradley like you say is getting better and has a hugh heart.



    Bradley has average to below average power. Floyd would be MUCH bigger than Bradley. Stronger. Faster. In fact, Floyd would stop Bradley.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    Fans are idiots, they boo everything nowadays

    if the fight isnt Hagler Hearns they boo

    the idiot MMA fans do the same shit


    I'll be more specific "casual fans are idiots and some serious fans but all who boo are really idiots"

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

    Fans are idiots, they boo everything nowadays

    if the fight isnt Hagler Hearns they boo

    the idiot MMA fans do the same shit


    I'll be more specific "casual fans are idiots and some serious fans but all who boo are really idiots"

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:



    Bradley has average to below average power. Floyd would be MUCH bigger than Bradley. Stronger. Faster. In fact, Floyd would stop Bradley.

    spot on

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:



    Bradley has average to below average power. Floyd would be MUCH bigger than Bradley. Stronger. Faster. In fact, Floyd would stop Bradley.

    spot on

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:



    Bradley has average to below average power. Floyd would be MUCH bigger than Bradley. Stronger. Faster. In fact, Floyd would stop Bradley.

    he should have stopped mosley and didn't. He just plays it safe all the time. I doubt he would stop Bradley. He wouldn't take the risk even though bradley don't have any real power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:



    Bradley has average to below average power. Floyd would be MUCH bigger than Bradley. Stronger. Faster. In fact, Floyd would stop Bradley.

    he should have stopped mosley and didn't. He just plays it safe all the time. I doubt he would stop Bradley. He wouldn't take the risk even though bradley don't have any real power.

     
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2010 - 12:56 AM ET #18

    Mayweather has Pac-Man and thats it.

    Cotto - but it would have the same type of ending with his fight with Pacquiao with Mayweather being way to fast and making him a bloody mess. Money wise it makes the most sense, but to me its a lopsided fight

    Williams - is kind of interesting because of his height and has a little pop to his punch, but he just doesn't have the following to warrant Mayweather to take the risk. After Pac-Man this is the only Mayweather fight that could cause him any problem 160 and under.

    Bradley = No chance

    168lbs - Im Interested

    There are other decent fighters, but right now nobody can touch Pretty Boy. Hands down in my 20+ years of watching boxing Mayweather is the best, but thats just from the late 80's to now.

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    Mayweather has Pac-Man and thats it.

    Cotto - but it would have the same type of ending with his fight with Pacquiao with Mayweather being way to fast and making him a bloody mess. Money wise it makes the most sense, but to me its a lopsided fight

    Williams - is kind of interesting because of his height and has a little pop to his punch, but he just doesn't have the following to warrant Mayweather to take the risk. After Pac-Man this is the only Mayweather fight that could cause him any problem 160 and under.

    Bradley = No chance

    168lbs - Im Interested

    There are other decent fighters, but right now nobody can touch Pretty Boy. Hands down in my 20+ years of watching boxing Mayweather is the best, but thats just from the late 80's to now.

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