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    Khan Vs Judah who you got?

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    Goldfisch
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2011 - 6:03 PM ET #1

    I at first really liked Khan;quick hands, high punch rate,Freddie Roach and decent footwork.
     However, I am concerned about his super soft chin and the fact that if he is pushed past 6 rounds he does tend to make some mistakes. Compound this with the fact Jab looks HUGE in his pictures of training on a website that I frequent. (can I say the name of the site?) and Jab is the only man to truly hurt Mayweather who has the best defense in boxing.
     I am actually thinking about taking Jab here. I need some opinions.
     And yes I know there is already a thread but it wasnt that good.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I at first really liked Khan;quick hands, high punch rate,Freddie Roach and decent footwork.
     However, I am concerned about his super soft chin and the fact that if he is pushed past 6 rounds he does tend to make some mistakes. Compound this with the fact Jab looks HUGE in his pictures of training on a website that I frequent. (can I say the name of the site?) and Jab is the only man to truly hurt Mayweather who has the best defense in boxing.
     I am actually thinking about taking Jab here. I need some opinions.
     And yes I know there is already a thread but it wasnt that good.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2011 - 6:14 AM ET #2

    Over 7 1/2 -220 for 2 untits..fight should go to the cards.  Both fighters previously had their light switched off in early rounds so they'll be defensive at first.
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    Over 7 1/2 -220 for 2 untits..fight should go to the cards.  Both fighters previously had their light switched off in early rounds so they'll be defensive at first.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2011 - 10:55 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldfisch:

    I at first really liked Khan;quick hands, high punch rate,Freddie Roach and decent footwork.
     However, I am concerned about his super soft chin and the fact that if he is pushed past 6 rounds he does tend to make some mistakes. Compound this with the fact Jab looks HUGE in his pictures of training on a website that I frequent. (can I say the name of the site?) and Jab is the only man to truly hurt Mayweather who has the best defense in boxing.
     I am actually thinking about taking Jab here. I need some opinions.
     And yes I know there is already a thread but it wasnt that good.

    Zab is NOT the only person to ever hurt Mayweather.  See Mayweather/Corley and Rnd 2 of Mayweather/Mosley.

    Zab definitely has a puncher's chance, but thew best value you could get I guess would be to parlay Kahn w Danny Green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldfisch:

    I at first really liked Khan;quick hands, high punch rate,Freddie Roach and decent footwork.
     However, I am concerned about his super soft chin and the fact that if he is pushed past 6 rounds he does tend to make some mistakes. Compound this with the fact Jab looks HUGE in his pictures of training on a website that I frequent. (can I say the name of the site?) and Jab is the only man to truly hurt Mayweather who has the best defense in boxing.
     I am actually thinking about taking Jab here. I need some opinions.
     And yes I know there is already a thread but it wasnt that good.

    Zab is NOT the only person to ever hurt Mayweather.  See Mayweather/Corley and Rnd 2 of Mayweather/Mosley.

    Zab definitely has a puncher's chance, but thew best value you could get I guess would be to parlay Kahn w Danny Green.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2011 - 5:45 PM ET #4

    Khan on points for me Gold. I don't think Khan has the power to KO Zab and I think he will be very wary of Zab's power. Of course this could be Khan's coming out party and he could blast Zab out in three and make a mockery of my pick. I might play the early KO between 1-3 for a small straddle and play the points for +170..
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    Khan on points for me Gold. I don't think Khan has the power to KO Zab and I think he will be very wary of Zab's power. Of course this could be Khan's coming out party and he could blast Zab out in three and make a mockery of my pick. I might play the early KO between 1-3 for a small straddle and play the points for +170..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2011 - 5:45 PM ET #5

    My thread Khan/Zab wasn't that bad Gold
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    My thread Khan/Zab wasn't that bad Gold
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2011 - 10:08 PM ET #6

    I have always been a fan of zab, this one can go either way, I am staying the hell away from this one, but If someone put a gun to my head, I would pick khan, as much as that pains me to say
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    I have always been a fan of zab, this one can go either way, I am staying the hell away from this one, but If someone put a gun to my head, I would pick khan, as much as that pains me to say
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 7:06 AM ET #7

    Khan is going to knock Judah out - if Judah comes to fight and not survive. 

    The most misquoted thing I hear about this one is that Khan has the weaker of the two chins. I really, really doubt that claim. If you're looking at who is going to take who's shots better, I wonder how Judah would hold up to some of the bombs Khan has landed in recent fights. Advantage Khan, without question.

    The only reason to back Zab would be if you really felt he would be able to outbox Khan over 12 rounds. That is a REALLY big if. Holding on to the notion that Khan will fade and he'll be vulnerable is somewhat silly and bordering on grasping for straws. 

    To think that Judah would be the one to exploit this flaw if it did exist? That's almost funny, because Zab has done nothing but fade late in fights for the better part of the last decade.

    Khan comes out with a clear and impressive victory, imo.


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    Khan is going to knock Judah out - if Judah comes to fight and not survive. 

    The most misquoted thing I hear about this one is that Khan has the weaker of the two chins. I really, really doubt that claim. If you're looking at who is going to take who's shots better, I wonder how Judah would hold up to some of the bombs Khan has landed in recent fights. Advantage Khan, without question.

    The only reason to back Zab would be if you really felt he would be able to outbox Khan over 12 rounds. That is a REALLY big if. Holding on to the notion that Khan will fade and he'll be vulnerable is somewhat silly and bordering on grasping for straws. 

    To think that Judah would be the one to exploit this flaw if it did exist? That's almost funny, because Zab has done nothing but fade late in fights for the better part of the last decade.

    Khan comes out with a clear and impressive victory, imo.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2011 - 2:12 PM ET #8

    Judah will be in survival mode after Rd 8.  I'm hedging Khan Rds 7-12 with Khan DEC.  Both are +210.  Zab's not winning this fight.
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    Judah will be in survival mode after Rd 8.  I'm hedging Khan Rds 7-12 with Khan DEC.  Both are +210.  Zab's not winning this fight.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 20, 2011 - 5:58 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    My thread Khan/Zab wasn't that bad Gold


    Sorry Mack,  you are most likely right about your thread, maybe I just was too lazy to find it? lol
     As for jbell, you are correct, I had forgotten about Mosely and I dont remember the Corley fight, is that Chop Chop?
     I just finished watching Zab's last fight and I was not impressed until he hit the guy with a counter left that ko'd the guy on his feet.That same punch would knockout Khan as well. Khan has such a soft chin that it is hard for me to lay -400. His chin is like a button and if you press it he falls.
     I may have to lay off this one. Mack I do like Khan as a fighter and think he is better, but isnt there a real chance he can get knocked out here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    My thread Khan/Zab wasn't that bad Gold


    Sorry Mack,  you are most likely right about your thread, maybe I just was too lazy to find it? lol
     As for jbell, you are correct, I had forgotten about Mosely and I dont remember the Corley fight, is that Chop Chop?
     I just finished watching Zab's last fight and I was not impressed until he hit the guy with a counter left that ko'd the guy on his feet.That same punch would knockout Khan as well. Khan has such a soft chin that it is hard for me to lay -400. His chin is like a button and if you press it he falls.
     I may have to lay off this one. Mack I do like Khan as a fighter and think he is better, but isnt there a real chance he can get knocked out here?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 12:51 AM ET #10

    Khan cruises in this one, yes Khan has a suspect chin but it won't be tested because of Zab's style.

    Juddah's come back was a cupcake on espn and a decision he should have lost, He  is the same old ZAB JUddah, every time Zab has "stepped up against real competition he has lost".

    Juddah has been decked twice since going down to 140, yes he got up but 140 is taking it's toll on him.


    Juddah has a stinging left but not a power puncher.

    This fight was hand picked by Freddie Roach,I like Khan to roll   here.


    This is my strongest opinion since well Paul Williams got knocked out  against Martinez :)

    Good luck to everyone@
                  
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    Khan cruises in this one, yes Khan has a suspect chin but it won't be tested because of Zab's style.

    Juddah's come back was a cupcake on espn and a decision he should have lost, He  is the same old ZAB JUddah, every time Zab has "stepped up against real competition he has lost".

    Juddah has been decked twice since going down to 140, yes he got up but 140 is taking it's toll on him.


    Juddah has a stinging left but not a power puncher.

    This fight was hand picked by Freddie Roach,I like Khan to roll   here.


    This is my strongest opinion since well Paul Williams got knocked out  against Martinez :)

    Good luck to everyone@
                  
     
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    Posted: Jul. 21, 2011 - 12:53 AM ET #11

    Forgot to say I had Martinez :-)

    Enjoy Fellas!
         
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    Forgot to say I had Martinez :-)

    Enjoy Fellas!
         
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 2:14 PM ET #12

    Not really excited about Khan or Judah tomorrow.

    Hopefully, I can make a case for either one by fight time.

    GL guys, whatever you decide  

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    Not really excited about Khan or Judah tomorrow.

    Hopefully, I can make a case for either one by fight time.

    GL guys, whatever you decide  

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 6:05 PM ET #13

    Im going for free section 111!!!

    I like Khan will not bet it
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    Im going for free section 111!!!

    I like Khan will not bet it
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2011 - 10:07 PM ET #14

    I posted this on another thread but feel it's the same topic and maybe useful to anyone constantly viewing opinions.

    Zab has always fought only to the caliber of each opponent (not rising up, but staying par). He finally came out of a rut when he KO'd Spinks in their rematch (nice for me). Zab is maybe one of the few fighters that can suprise Khan with his speed (and also carries more of a punch) but I feel he doesn't carry the stamina though to dominate and finish off a fast slick Khan. Zab is only 33 but it's a rough 33, not over-the-hill, but borderline. Remember the losses he had were tough (even some wins) and he lost against top fighters. Kostya Tszyu (bad stoppage), Mayweather, Clottey, Cotto (TKOd) as well as a tough Baldomir and a letdown versus Spinks (before rebounding in the rematch). One thing he has going is a 5 fight win streak which is the longest since he was undefeated. Hard to see him winning, but he does have the abilities, or had them at one time. If those betting on Zab have such huge odds, maybe even a prop to increase those odds significantly. Zab has been known to catch all the best fighters at least once in a fight, even Mayweather but he lacks the follow-up even if it's a flash he needs to really press the issue and change the tide enough to cause hesitation in his opponent and take charge of the action (not a strong point for him as inconsistency with performing well is nearly his trademark). Personally, I don't see value in this fight, but more than likely I will watch it regardless.

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    I posted this on another thread but feel it's the same topic and maybe useful to anyone constantly viewing opinions.

    Zab has always fought only to the caliber of each opponent (not rising up, but staying par). He finally came out of a rut when he KO'd Spinks in their rematch (nice for me). Zab is maybe one of the few fighters that can suprise Khan with his speed (and also carries more of a punch) but I feel he doesn't carry the stamina though to dominate and finish off a fast slick Khan. Zab is only 33 but it's a rough 33, not over-the-hill, but borderline. Remember the losses he had were tough (even some wins) and he lost against top fighters. Kostya Tszyu (bad stoppage), Mayweather, Clottey, Cotto (TKOd) as well as a tough Baldomir and a letdown versus Spinks (before rebounding in the rematch). One thing he has going is a 5 fight win streak which is the longest since he was undefeated. Hard to see him winning, but he does have the abilities, or had them at one time. If those betting on Zab have such huge odds, maybe even a prop to increase those odds significantly. Zab has been known to catch all the best fighters at least once in a fight, even Mayweather but he lacks the follow-up even if it's a flash he needs to really press the issue and change the tide enough to cause hesitation in his opponent and take charge of the action (not a strong point for him as inconsistency with performing well is nearly his trademark). Personally, I don't see value in this fight, but more than likely I will watch it regardless.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 5:45 AM ET #15

    Is khans chin really that suspect??? sure the 54 second loss to prescott years back doesnt look good but come on the guy just went 12 rds with maidana......

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    Is khans chin really that suspect??? sure the 54 second loss to prescott years back doesnt look good but come on the guy just went 12 rds with maidana......

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 6:40 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by hen7:

    Is khans chin really that suspect??? sure the 54 second loss to prescott years back doesnt look good but come on the guy just went 12 rds with maidana......


    So did Eric Morales. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by hen7:

    Is khans chin really that suspect??? sure the 54 second loss to prescott years back doesnt look good but come on the guy just went 12 rds with maidana......


    So did Eric Morales. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 9:07 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Khan cruises in this one, yes Khan has a suspect chin but it won't be tested because of Zab's style.

    Juddah's come back was a cupcake on espn and a decision he should have lost, He  is the same old ZAB JUddah, every time Zab has "stepped up against real competition he has lost".

    Juddah has been decked twice since going down to 140, yes he got up but 140 is taking it's toll on him.


    Juddah has a stinging left but not a power puncher.

    This fight was hand picked by Freddie Roach,I like Khan to roll   here.


    This is my strongest opinion since well Paul Williams got knocked out  against Martinez :)

    Good luck to everyone@
                  


    Rich my confidence took a hit last weekend hahaha. Was going to bet Chisora against Fury but Chisora was 28 pounds heavier then ever for a fight! He looked horrible. Fury is a VERY over rated but seeing the shape of Chisora I just have to sit that one out. I can't get a read on this fight. You think Khan KO's or points? I don't think Khan is a big puncher (his KO ratio at 140 is non existent). But I wonder does he make a big statement here with a blowout..I am playing Khan but not at -700! Need to figure out points of KO. The posters on this thread if you can tell your plays I will decide from that..
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Khan cruises in this one, yes Khan has a suspect chin but it won't be tested because of Zab's style.

    Juddah's come back was a cupcake on espn and a decision he should have lost, He  is the same old ZAB JUddah, every time Zab has "stepped up against real competition he has lost".

    Juddah has been decked twice since going down to 140, yes he got up but 140 is taking it's toll on him.


    Juddah has a stinging left but not a power puncher.

    This fight was hand picked by Freddie Roach,I like Khan to roll   here.


    This is my strongest opinion since well Paul Williams got knocked out  against Martinez :)

    Good luck to everyone@
                  


    Rich my confidence took a hit last weekend hahaha. Was going to bet Chisora against Fury but Chisora was 28 pounds heavier then ever for a fight! He looked horrible. Fury is a VERY over rated but seeing the shape of Chisora I just have to sit that one out. I can't get a read on this fight. You think Khan KO's or points? I don't think Khan is a big puncher (his KO ratio at 140 is non existent). But I wonder does he make a big statement here with a blowout..I am playing Khan but not at -700! Need to figure out points of KO. The posters on this thread if you can tell your plays I will decide from that..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 3:51 PM ET #18

    I took Khan. I have worried about Khans chin the entire time before betting this fight and even now.I just think his high hands and quick short jab with high punch combos will be too much for Judah who tries to be very defensive. I think for a fighter to beat Khan he must press him like maidana did and Zab will not do that. I think this fight may look like the Paulie fight where Zab cant get close fighting out of the Philly Shell. Malanagie got exploited fighting from the philly shell and the same will happen to Zab. 
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    I took Khan. I have worried about Khans chin the entire time before betting this fight and even now.I just think his high hands and quick short jab with high punch combos will be too much for Judah who tries to be very defensive. I think for a fighter to beat Khan he must press him like maidana did and Zab will not do that. I think this fight may look like the Paulie fight where Zab cant get close fighting out of the Philly Shell. Malanagie got exploited fighting from the philly shell and the same will happen to Zab. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 3:53 PM ET #19

    Nutty , and links big dog?
     Also, Jbell did you get to see the Green Fight,? He was getting destroyed by the straight left. ..... I respect you posting your pick.
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    Nutty , and links big dog?
     Also, Jbell did you get to see the Green Fight,? He was getting destroyed by the straight left. ..... I respect you posting your pick.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 9:00 PM ET #20

    Zab
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    Zab
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2011 - 11:05 PM ET #21

    Sorry guys took for granted this was a free fight, forgot some don't have hbo or live out of the country.

    Mack I always take the points handicap to reduce the juice if I think the fight will be a blow out. This way ko/tko wins also.

    I've been away for a while, have been really busy!- I try to chime in when I can!

    I should have more time the rest of the summer so hopefully can start posting links and better posts on the up coming fights.

    All the best guys,
           
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    Sorry guys took for granted this was a free fight, forgot some don't have hbo or live out of the country.

    Mack I always take the points handicap to reduce the juice if I think the fight will be a blow out. This way ko/tko wins also.

    I've been away for a while, have been really busy!- I try to chime in when I can!

    I should have more time the rest of the summer so hopefully can start posting links and better posts on the up coming fights.

    All the best guys,
           
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