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    Khan V Maidana Dec 11th

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    Mack05
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2010 - 3:49 PM ET #1

    When this fight was first touted last year I was going to play on Big bad Marcos. I have since changed my opinions 180 degree's.

    This fight will be as close to Calzaghe v Lacy as you will see.        I think Khan will truly announce himself to the world. The only chance Maidana has is to catch Khan cold and early. If this goes past 3 pounds Khan is going to systematically take this guy apart. Khan has opened -300 so the books are onto this too.

    Going to look for something to parlay with and I will add it to this thread. Khan is rolling here..I know alot of you will worry about the chin issue and that is always going to be there. But when Khan when to Roach he was piece of coal. The guy was beyond slick as an amateur. Roach has done an outstanding job with this guy turning him into a diamond and his improvement overall, especially in his footwork is really noticable. He always had speed and its Marco's lack of speed means he won't get close to landing on Khan's chin. If this goes beyond 6, then Maidana will be taking such a beating the punch power equation will be taken out of it.

    I will be playing strong on Khan when the time comes and will also be looking to parlay him with something else that will bring me close to evens.

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    When this fight was first touted last year I was going to play on Big bad Marcos. I have since changed my opinions 180 degree's.

    This fight will be as close to Calzaghe v Lacy as you will see.        I think Khan will truly announce himself to the world. The only chance Maidana has is to catch Khan cold and early. If this goes past 3 pounds Khan is going to systematically take this guy apart. Khan has opened -300 so the books are onto this too.

    Going to look for something to parlay with and I will add it to this thread. Khan is rolling here..I know alot of you will worry about the chin issue and that is always going to be there. But when Khan when to Roach he was piece of coal. The guy was beyond slick as an amateur. Roach has done an outstanding job with this guy turning him into a diamond and his improvement overall, especially in his footwork is really noticable. He always had speed and its Marco's lack of speed means he won't get close to landing on Khan's chin. If this goes beyond 6, then Maidana will be taking such a beating the punch power equation will be taken out of it.

    I will be playing strong on Khan when the time comes and will also be looking to parlay him with something else that will bring me close to evens.

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2010 - 5:16 PM ET #2

    Khan by dec.
     
    Maidana is too much of a warrior to get "broken down" in late rounds. Unless Maidana gets seriously ROCKED, I can't see him getting KO'd.
     
    As far as Khan's ability, I don't think his skillsets match up to his athleticism yet. Khan fights on the outside and then gets out of the way. Period. I understand that gameplan suits his body type and talent (and also hides the lack of a good chin), but I don't see any new wrinkles being added to his game. I wanna see some off-speed stuff, body punching, better counter-punching, more traps being set, etc.
     
    Khan should win this fight. The only question is his chin. Maidana's only chance is by KO.
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    Khan by dec.
     
    Maidana is too much of a warrior to get "broken down" in late rounds. Unless Maidana gets seriously ROCKED, I can't see him getting KO'd.
     
    As far as Khan's ability, I don't think his skillsets match up to his athleticism yet. Khan fights on the outside and then gets out of the way. Period. I understand that gameplan suits his body type and talent (and also hides the lack of a good chin), but I don't see any new wrinkles being added to his game. I wanna see some off-speed stuff, body punching, better counter-punching, more traps being set, etc.
     
    Khan should win this fight. The only question is his chin. Maidana's only chance is by KO.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2010 - 5:40 PM ET #3

    I agree with both of you as far as loving Khan in the fight. In fact, would anyone be talking about Maidana if he didn't get up from the mat and sucker Ortiz into a slugfest?

    My guess is no, simply because he isn't an elite fighter imo. His lack of movement and his face first defense will make him look very bad sooner than later. His power makes him live in any fight, but he can't box for beans.

    As far as the actual outcome? Khan will probably stop him late in the fight if he chooses to go for it at some point. I question both Maidana's stamina and power after the midway point in fights. I can also see Khan landing his jab so often that he could cut or swell Maidana enough to get a TKO type of stoppage.

    A simple straight play on Khan seems correct at only moderate chalk. If the KO prop is around +200, I would probably consider it an option.

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    I agree with both of you as far as loving Khan in the fight. In fact, would anyone be talking about Maidana if he didn't get up from the mat and sucker Ortiz into a slugfest?

    My guess is no, simply because he isn't an elite fighter imo. His lack of movement and his face first defense will make him look very bad sooner than later. His power makes him live in any fight, but he can't box for beans.

    As far as the actual outcome? Khan will probably stop him late in the fight if he chooses to go for it at some point. I question both Maidana's stamina and power after the midway point in fights. I can also see Khan landing his jab so often that he could cut or swell Maidana enough to get a TKO type of stoppage.

    A simple straight play on Khan seems correct at only moderate chalk. If the KO prop is around +200, I would probably consider it an option.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2010 - 6:25 PM ET #4

    argentinian fighters are pretty tuff they will come at you like a moving tank. that will be a good fight!  its a coin flip both fighters are pretty much matched up evenly!!
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    argentinian fighters are pretty tuff they will come at you like a moving tank. that will be a good fight!  its a coin flip both fighters are pretty much matched up evenly!!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2010 - 11:26 PM ET #5

    Khan wins.  All Maidana has is power, no real boxing skills.  Khan fights safe, he wins easily.
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    Khan wins.  All Maidana has is power, no real boxing skills.  Khan fights safe, he wins easily.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2010 - 4:02 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    Khan wins.  All Maidana has is power, no real boxing skills.  Khan fights safe, he wins easily.


    all Maidana has is power?  He's got power and speed in both hands.  A solid chin and great feet.  I find it funny you think he wins easily when Khan was forced to fight Maidana after ducking Maidana, his mandatory, for over a year. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    Khan wins.  All Maidana has is power, no real boxing skills.  Khan fights safe, he wins easily.


    all Maidana has is power?  He's got power and speed in both hands.  A solid chin and great feet.  I find it funny you think he wins easily when Khan was forced to fight Maidana after ducking Maidana, his mandatory, for over a year. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2010 - 10:38 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:



    all Maidana has is power?  He's got power and speed in both hands.  A solid chin and great feet.  I find it funny you think he wins easily when Khan was forced to fight Maidana after ducking Maidana, his mandatory, for over a year. 

    Did you see Maidana's last fight? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:



    all Maidana has is power?  He's got power and speed in both hands.  A solid chin and great feet.  I find it funny you think he wins easily when Khan was forced to fight Maidana after ducking Maidana, his mandatory, for over a year. 

    Did you see Maidana's last fight? 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 13, 2010 - 2:41 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

    Did you see Maidana's last fight? 


    Yes I did.  Are you denying he doesn't have good footwork and power in both hands?  Check out his KO ratio.  Speaks for itself.  Than look at Khans chin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

    Did you see Maidana's last fight? 


    Yes I did.  Are you denying he doesn't have good footwork and power in both hands?  Check out his KO ratio.  Speaks for itself.  Than look at Khans chin.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:



    all Maidana has is power?  He's got power and speed in both hands.  A solid chin and great feet.  I find it funny you think he wins easily when Khan was forced to fight Maidana after ducking Maidana, his mandatory, for over a year. 

    I agree with you maidana has power and speed including experience to Knock out Khan.  Khan hasnt really fought any deadly fighters most of them have been duds!! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:



    all Maidana has is power?  He's got power and speed in both hands.  A solid chin and great feet.  I find it funny you think he wins easily when Khan was forced to fight Maidana after ducking Maidana, his mandatory, for over a year. 

    I agree with you maidana has power and speed including experience to Knock out Khan.  Khan hasnt really fought any deadly fighters most of them have been duds!! 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2010 - 2:02 AM ET #10

    Footwork + Speed? Yeah.. those are the two things he is lacking. What fighter are we talking about? The Rocky Balboa esque slugger that made Victor Ortiz consider a new profession? Ok, glad we are on the same page here..

    Anyways, Maidana can't box. He can punch, but not box. Could Prescott Khan? Sure. Will he? Probably not.

    He didn't catch Chop Chop, that's for sure. If you need confirmation that he is far less likely to catch Khan than not, there you go. He gassed and looked like dogshit. Unless he catches Khan in the first few rounds, he is going to get a beating and probably get stopped.

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    Footwork + Speed? Yeah.. those are the two things he is lacking. What fighter are we talking about? The Rocky Balboa esque slugger that made Victor Ortiz consider a new profession? Ok, glad we are on the same page here..

    Anyways, Maidana can't box. He can punch, but not box. Could Prescott Khan? Sure. Will he? Probably not.

    He didn't catch Chop Chop, that's for sure. If you need confirmation that he is far less likely to catch Khan than not, there you go. He gassed and looked like dogshit. Unless he catches Khan in the first few rounds, he is going to get a beating and probably get stopped.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 14, 2010 - 12:35 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:


    Yes I did.  Are you denying he doesn't have good footwork and power in both hands?  Check out his KO ratio.  Speaks for itself.  Than look at Khans chin.

     

    What is his KO percentage going to tell me?  That he KO'd 20 Argentinians who I've never heard of?  Big deal.  Look at some of their records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:


    Yes I did.  Are you denying he doesn't have good footwork and power in both hands?  Check out his KO ratio.  Speaks for itself.  Than look at Khans chin.

     

    What is his KO percentage going to tell me?  That he KO'd 20 Argentinians who I've never heard of?  Big deal.  Look at some of their records.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    Footwork + Speed? Yeah.. those are the two things he is lacking. What fighter are we talking about? The Rocky Balboa esque slugger that made Victor Ortiz consider a new profession? Ok, glad we are on the same page here..

    Anyways, Maidana can't box. He can punch, but not box. Could Prescott Khan? Sure. Will he? Probably not.

    He didn't catch Chop Chop, that's for sure. If you need confirmation that he is far less likely to catch Khan than not, there you go. He gassed and looked like dogshit. Unless he catches Khan in the first few rounds, he is going to get a beating and probably get stopped.



    Haha, another clown who thinks Maidana is some wild brawler like Mayorga.  You need to watch more boxing.  Cayo is just as fast and elusive as Khan and Maidana beat the dog shit out of him.  Khan has no chin at all...none.  He ducked Maidana for over a year when he was his mandatory.  Khan is going to do his best to run but when you get hit it's a whole new ball game. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    Footwork + Speed? Yeah.. those are the two things he is lacking. What fighter are we talking about? The Rocky Balboa esque slugger that made Victor Ortiz consider a new profession? Ok, glad we are on the same page here..

    Anyways, Maidana can't box. He can punch, but not box. Could Prescott Khan? Sure. Will he? Probably not.

    He didn't catch Chop Chop, that's for sure. If you need confirmation that he is far less likely to catch Khan than not, there you go. He gassed and looked like dogshit. Unless he catches Khan in the first few rounds, he is going to get a beating and probably get stopped.



    Haha, another clown who thinks Maidana is some wild brawler like Mayorga.  You need to watch more boxing.  Cayo is just as fast and elusive as Khan and Maidana beat the dog shit out of him.  Khan has no chin at all...none.  He ducked Maidana for over a year when he was his mandatory.  Khan is going to do his best to run but when you get hit it's a whole new ball game. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:



    Haha, another clown who thinks Maidana is some wild brawler like Mayorga.  You need to watch more boxing.  Cayo is just as fast and elusive as Khan and Maidana beat the dog shit out of him.  Khan has no chin at all...none.  He ducked Maidana for over a year when he was his mandatory.  Khan is going to do his best to run but when you get hit it's a whole new ball game. 

    Walk I will let u take this one ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerseyboy89:



    Haha, another clown who thinks Maidana is some wild brawler like Mayorga.  You need to watch more boxing.  Cayo is just as fast and elusive as Khan and Maidana beat the dog shit out of him.  Khan has no chin at all...none.  He ducked Maidana for over a year when he was his mandatory.  Khan is going to do his best to run but when you get hit it's a whole new ball game. 

    Walk I will let u take this one ;-)

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2010 - 5:14 PM ET #14

    Khan has one of, if not THE, best jabs in the business. He got caught green, it happens. What matters is the dust off and Khan continues to impress me. Maidana is just another pressure fighter with a chin + a blueprint. If the numbers are reasonable I'm in.
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    Khan has one of, if not THE, best jabs in the business. He got caught green, it happens. What matters is the dust off and Khan continues to impress me. Maidana is just another pressure fighter with a chin + a blueprint. If the numbers are reasonable I'm in.
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Mack05]

    Walk I will let u take this one ;-)

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    Too easy...

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Mack05]

    Walk I will let u take this one ;-)

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    Too easy...

     
     
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    Watching Khan dominate Manny in sparring on 24/7 was interesting
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    Watching Khan dominate Manny in sparring on 24/7 was interesting
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