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    Holyfield to fight Ibragimov for title

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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 12:20 PM ET #1

    he heavyweight division's first unification title fight since 1999? So much for that. But the October card in Moscow will go on -- thanks to Evander Holyfield.

    WBA champion Ruslan Chagaev, who was scheduled to meet WBO titleholder Sultan Ibragimov on Oct. 13 in Moscow, withdrew from the fight Thursday because of an undisclosed stomach ailment, a source involved in the fight said.

    Following Chagaev's decision to not fight, Ibragimov's promoters announced that Holyfield would fill the card in a quest to win the the heavyweight title for a fifth time. Holyfield will be fighting in Russia for the first time.

    "This will be an unforgettable night," Leon Margules, executive director of Seminole Warriors Boxing, said in a news conference in Moscow.

    Broadcast plans have not been determined.

    The 44-year-old Holyfield (42-8-2, 27 KOs) last fought on June 30, when he won a 10-round unanimous decision from Lou Savarese in El Paso, Tecas, to remain undefeated in his latest comeback.

    There hasn't been a recognized world heavyweight champion since the retirement of Lennox Lewis in January 2004. For the division, there hasn't been a unification fight since Lewis became the undisputed champion by defeating Holyfield in their November 1999 rematch.

    Ibragimov, 32, of Russia, won the WBO version of the heavyweight title on June 2 with a lopsided unanimous decision against Shannon Briggs in Atlantic City, N.J. Chagaev, 28, a native of Uzbekistan based in Germany, won a majority decision to lift the WBA belt from Nikolai Valuev on April 14 in Germany.

    "Of course I'm disappointed that Chagaev pulled out of our fight and won't allow me to unify our titles, but fighting a legend like Evander Holyfield is even better," Ibragimov said. "And though I respect what he has done in his career, once the bell rings it will be all business, because he is trying to take what I have worked so hard for -- my world championship."

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    he heavyweight division's first unification title fight since 1999? So much for that. But the October card in Moscow will go on -- thanks to Evander Holyfield.

    WBA champion Ruslan Chagaev, who was scheduled to meet WBO titleholder Sultan Ibragimov on Oct. 13 in Moscow, withdrew from the fight Thursday because of an undisclosed stomach ailment, a source involved in the fight said.

    Following Chagaev's decision to not fight, Ibragimov's promoters announced that Holyfield would fill the card in a quest to win the the heavyweight title for a fifth time. Holyfield will be fighting in Russia for the first time.

    "This will be an unforgettable night," Leon Margules, executive director of Seminole Warriors Boxing, said in a news conference in Moscow.

    Broadcast plans have not been determined.

    The 44-year-old Holyfield (42-8-2, 27 KOs) last fought on June 30, when he won a 10-round unanimous decision from Lou Savarese in El Paso, Tecas, to remain undefeated in his latest comeback.

    There hasn't been a recognized world heavyweight champion since the retirement of Lennox Lewis in January 2004. For the division, there hasn't been a unification fight since Lewis became the undisputed champion by defeating Holyfield in their November 1999 rematch.

    Ibragimov, 32, of Russia, won the WBO version of the heavyweight title on June 2 with a lopsided unanimous decision against Shannon Briggs in Atlantic City, N.J. Chagaev, 28, a native of Uzbekistan based in Germany, won a majority decision to lift the WBA belt from Nikolai Valuev on April 14 in Germany.

    "Of course I'm disappointed that Chagaev pulled out of our fight and won't allow me to unify our titles, but fighting a legend like Evander Holyfield is even better," Ibragimov said. "And though I respect what he has done in his career, once the bell rings it will be all business, because he is trying to take what I have worked so hard for -- my world championship."

     
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    Yeah, saw it on FightNews; major bummer as I was looking forward to partial unification and already had a future wager down on Chagaev.

    IMO fighting Ibragimov over any of the other champions gives Holy the best shot at winning a belt again.  Yeah Iggy beat Briggs, but all he had to do was throw 30 punches a round to do that.  Anyone who barely pulls a draw out against Ray Austin isn't that great.  Thank goodness my nightmare didn't come true of Holyfield getting thrown in with Klitschko.  At least now even in Holyfield's delusional mind he will know whether to call it a day after this fight.  Not saying that it will happen, but what a story it would be if he goes to Russia and wins a belt at 44.  
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    Yeah, saw it on FightNews; major bummer as I was looking forward to partial unification and already had a future wager down on Chagaev.

    IMO fighting Ibragimov over any of the other champions gives Holy the best shot at winning a belt again.  Yeah Iggy beat Briggs, but all he had to do was throw 30 punches a round to do that.  Anyone who barely pulls a draw out against Ray Austin isn't that great.  Thank goodness my nightmare didn't come true of Holyfield getting thrown in with Klitschko.  At least now even in Holyfield's delusional mind he will know whether to call it a day after this fight.  Not saying that it will happen, but what a story it would be if he goes to Russia and wins a belt at 44.  
     
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    Yup. I just hit this on the website I write for. H; "V" may even win, but I kan't believe he's fighting for a 5th title??? I was wrong, in that 'Vander's shoulders were part of the problem, but I doubt his mental cogency is part of the solution. Maybe the Lefty part of SI's game will be the foil here? But I not sure SI wins, not even at home.

    GLA!
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    Yup. I just hit this on the website I write for. H; "V" may even win, but I kan't believe he's fighting for a 5th title??? I was wrong, in that 'Vander's shoulders were part of the problem, but I doubt his mental cogency is part of the solution. Maybe the Lefty part of SI's game will be the foil here? But I not sure SI wins, not even at home.

    GLA!
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 1:12 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by bigeiii:

    Yup. I just hit this on the website I write for. H; "V" may even win, but I kan't believe he's fighting for a 5th title??? I was wrong, in that 'Vander's shoulders were part of the problem, but I doubt his mental cogency is part of the solution. Maybe the Lefty part of SI's game will be the foil here? But I not sure SI wins, not even at home.

    GLA!
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    What website do you write for Bigeiii? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigeiii:

    Yup. I just hit this on the website I write for. H; "V" may even win, but I kan't believe he's fighting for a 5th title??? I was wrong, in that 'Vander's shoulders were part of the problem, but I doubt his mental cogency is part of the solution. Maybe the Lefty part of SI's game will be the foil here? But I not sure SI wins, not even at home.

    GLA!
    bigeiii



    What website do you write for Bigeiii? 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 1:16 PM ET #5

    Techsideline.com, last year I had the ACC beat (hence the logo up above), the national beat (both for football), & part of the VT hoops preview.

    GLA!
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    Techsideline.com, last year I had the ACC beat (hence the logo up above), the national beat (both for football), & part of the VT hoops preview.

    GLA!
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 4:49 PM ET #6

    can't wait for this fight on PPV
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    can't wait for this fight on PPV
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 5:08 PM ET #7

    I don't think they'll show it on PPV in the U.S.  It would have to be broadcast at about 2pm our time, which would lead to very few sales.  It's more likely that MSG, HBO, or Showtime picks it up and shows it during the day, along with a replay that night.  Regardless, I'm kinda looking forward to making some money off it.  I think the public's going to be all over Holyfield, leading to a close to even line on Sultan.  Sultan can outbox Holyfield's slow ass.  Holyfield didn't even have the ability to finish off Savarese.  I don't see how he's gonna be able to beat a pretty good heavyweight who's in his prime. I know that everyone is pretty down on Sultan, but he showed that he can box when he fought Briggs.  
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    I don't think they'll show it on PPV in the U.S.  It would have to be broadcast at about 2pm our time, which would lead to very few sales.  It's more likely that MSG, HBO, or Showtime picks it up and shows it during the day, along with a replay that night.  Regardless, I'm kinda looking forward to making some money off it.  I think the public's going to be all over Holyfield, leading to a close to even line on Sultan.  Sultan can outbox Holyfield's slow ass.  Holyfield didn't even have the ability to finish off Savarese.  I don't see how he's gonna be able to beat a pretty good heavyweight who's in his prime. I know that everyone is pretty down on Sultan, but he showed that he can box when he fought Briggs.  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 5:26 PM ET #8

    Sultan via brutal KO
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    Sultan via brutal KO
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by perricm:

    I don't think they'll show it on PPV in the U.S.  It would have to be broadcast at about 2pm our time, which would lead to very few sales.  It's more likely that MSG, HBO, or Showtime picks it up and shows it during the day, along with a replay that night.  Regardless, I'm kinda looking forward to making some money off it.  I think the public's going to be all over Holyfield, leading to a close to even line on Sultan.  Sultan can outbox Holyfield's slow ass.  Holyfield didn't even have the ability to finish off Savarese.  I don't see how he's gonna be able to beat a pretty good heavyweight who's in his prime. I know that everyone is pretty down on Sultan, but he showed that he can box when he fought Briggs.  



    You definitely won't be seeing anything close to the even line you wanted even with tons of Holyfield money coming in.

    5dimes already has odds up for the fight:
    Ibragimov -555
    Holyfield +365
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    Quote Originally Posted by perricm:

    I don't think they'll show it on PPV in the U.S.  It would have to be broadcast at about 2pm our time, which would lead to very few sales.  It's more likely that MSG, HBO, or Showtime picks it up and shows it during the day, along with a replay that night.  Regardless, I'm kinda looking forward to making some money off it.  I think the public's going to be all over Holyfield, leading to a close to even line on Sultan.  Sultan can outbox Holyfield's slow ass.  Holyfield didn't even have the ability to finish off Savarese.  I don't see how he's gonna be able to beat a pretty good heavyweight who's in his prime. I know that everyone is pretty down on Sultan, but he showed that he can box when he fought Briggs.  



    You definitely won't be seeing anything close to the even line you wanted even with tons of Holyfield money coming in.

    5dimes already has odds up for the fight:
    Ibragimov -555
    Holyfield +365
     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 7:06 PM ET #10

    I might possibly give "V" a sniff at that kinda +money, on a Via Decision Prop line. Other than maybe Oleg, this is Holy's best shot at a 5th World Title strap.

    GLA!
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    I might possibly give "V" a sniff at that kinda +money, on a Via Decision Prop line. Other than maybe Oleg, this is Holy's best shot at a 5th World Title strap.

    GLA!
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2007 - 10:40 PM ET #11

    Who would pay to see this?
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    Who would pay to see this?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:




    You definitely won't be seeing anything close to the even line you wanted even with tons of Holyfield money coming in.

    5dimes already has odds up for the fight:
    Ibragimov -555
    Holyfield +365


    Whoa!  I totally overestimated the public's Holyfield love...Perhaps, there will be a decent play on the over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:




    You definitely won't be seeing anything close to the even line you wanted even with tons of Holyfield money coming in.

    5dimes already has odds up for the fight:
    Ibragimov -555
    Holyfield +365


    Whoa!  I totally overestimated the public's Holyfield love...Perhaps, there will be a decent play on the over.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2007 - 1:54 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

    Sultan via brutal KO

    I agree 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

    Sultan via brutal KO

    I agree 100%.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2007 - 12:46 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:

    I agree 100%.



    You can't be serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:

    I agree 100%.



    You can't be serious?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2007 - 1:36 PM ET #15

    I dont think my heart will allow me to watch this fight... but I would be freaking horrified if he wins the title again and I was watching.
     
    I doubt he will... it just kills me to see him in the ring...
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    I dont think my heart will allow me to watch this fight... but I would be freaking horrified if he wins the title again and I was watching.
     
    I doubt he will... it just kills me to see him in the ring...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2007 - 5:36 PM ET #16

    Holyfield was hurt against that bum Savarese, hurt by Ruiz, destroyed by Toney and beat so bad by Donald his license was revoked.  Am I serious...?  Ibrgamov outclassed Briggs who, I hate to say, is a better fighter than Holyfield right now.  Unless the Russian mob has a hand in the outcome, Holyfield will get picked to death and fall like he did against a very light hitting Toney.
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    Holyfield was hurt against that bum Savarese, hurt by Ruiz, destroyed by Toney and beat so bad by Donald his license was revoked.  Am I serious...?  Ibrgamov outclassed Briggs who, I hate to say, is a better fighter than Holyfield right now.  Unless the Russian mob has a hand in the outcome, Holyfield will get picked to death and fall like he did against a very light hitting Toney.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:

    Holyfield was hurt against that bum Savarese, hurt by Ruiz, destroyed by Toney and beat so bad by Donald his license was revoked.  Am I serious...?  Ibrgamov outclassed Briggs who, I hate to say, is a better fighter than Holyfield right now.  Unless the Russian mob has a hand in the outcome, Holyfield will get picked to death and fall like he did against a very light hitting Toney.


    Hoylfield IMO quit in the fight against Toney.He knew he couldnt win so he gave up. But there's a big difference in being "hurt" and "KO'd" .I could easily see Holyfield getting outclassed in this one but holding on for all 12 rounds as he did with Donald.
    I wasnt saying he was going to win but you cant be so quick to say someones going to get KO'd that has a chin like Holyfield, especailly when he's fighting a guy who got a draw with Tim Austin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:

    Holyfield was hurt against that bum Savarese, hurt by Ruiz, destroyed by Toney and beat so bad by Donald his license was revoked.  Am I serious...?  Ibrgamov outclassed Briggs who, I hate to say, is a better fighter than Holyfield right now.  Unless the Russian mob has a hand in the outcome, Holyfield will get picked to death and fall like he did against a very light hitting Toney.


    Hoylfield IMO quit in the fight against Toney.He knew he couldnt win so he gave up. But there's a big difference in being "hurt" and "KO'd" .I could easily see Holyfield getting outclassed in this one but holding on for all 12 rounds as he did with Donald.
    I wasnt saying he was going to win but you cant be so quick to say someones going to get KO'd that has a chin like Holyfield, especailly when he's fighting a guy who got a draw with Tim Austin.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 3, 2007 - 7:10 PM ET #18

    Holyfield used to have a great chin when he had reflexes but being as slow as he is opens him up for a lot of punishment and huge shots.  I am very confident in a stoppage.
     
    I am not sure most people here appreciate how slow he really is.  Watch his recent stuff.
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    Holyfield used to have a great chin when he had reflexes but being as slow as he is opens him up for a lot of punishment and huge shots.  I am very confident in a stoppage.
     
    I am not sure most people here appreciate how slow he really is.  Watch his recent stuff.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2007 - 1:37 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:

    Holyfield used to have a great chin when he had reflexes but being as slow as he is opens him up for a lot of punishment and huge shots.  I am very confident in a stoppage.
     
    I am not sure most people here appreciate how slow he really is.  Watch his recent stuff.

    I have to agree.

    I will be watching and hoping Holy puts up a valiant effort and decides to hang up the gloves if he loses and I agree a stoppage is probably likely.

    I'm a big fan but have really questioned the motivation behind these comebacks - weather or not he needs money for the upkeep of his estate, alimony and child support. The public has been fed excuse after excuse about his performances for the past 10 years and yet here we are - again - with no real urgency about age and the window of opportunity closing. Up until the past year or 2 he NEVER said anything about making a living - it was all about the belts. But recently it's slipped and he's asked why are people preventing me from making a living? Also seemed odd that if he felt that he was truly the best and wanted to unify the belts why was he only fighting once every year or two?

    How he got a title shot, other than the money it generates, is beyond me. On the surface, his last performance was as good as he's looked in a LONGGGG time and I started thinking that maybe the shoulder injuries DID have alot to do with it. But this time I'm going to be objective and this recent string of wins just make him look better than what he actually is because of the hand-picked opponents he's faced.

    It's hard to tell from one fight and obviously, we won't know until the 13th but Holy fans, don't get your hopes up. We've been down this road before.

     If you go back and watch his fights from the early 90's as opposed to post-Mike Tyson there is a huge difference. Granted he's not gonna be the Holyfield that had all the tools to DOMINATE Bowe One if he had faught the entire fight as he did the 1st round.  BUT now (with the exception of his last fight) it's been all about fainting and counter-punching to set everything up - and it's usually only one punch at a time. 

    That's all he's done since 1995 is stand there bob his head and try to bait his opponent to throw a punch. The jab has been non-existant. A pretty obvious clue that he his hesitant to pull the trigger.  Before Savarese, I asked for 10 years, Why doesn't he use the f*cking jab???  Yeah, the shoulders --That's what we've been told but his statements alone have been making him alot of undeserving paychecks in the last 3 quarters of a decade.

     If one looks at everything objectively this should be the end of the road. If he wins, hey, give him a chance to fight for another belt but the next loss....Holy, just retire. I live about 90 minutes down the NYS Thruway from Canastota and would like to be around to see the induction. 21 years until I retire. God, I hope he's not STILL fighting.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:

    Holyfield used to have a great chin when he had reflexes but being as slow as he is opens him up for a lot of punishment and huge shots.  I am very confident in a stoppage.
     
    I am not sure most people here appreciate how slow he really is.  Watch his recent stuff.

    I have to agree.

    I will be watching and hoping Holy puts up a valiant effort and decides to hang up the gloves if he loses and I agree a stoppage is probably likely.

    I'm a big fan but have really questioned the motivation behind these comebacks - weather or not he needs money for the upkeep of his estate, alimony and child support. The public has been fed excuse after excuse about his performances for the past 10 years and yet here we are - again - with no real urgency about age and the window of opportunity closing. Up until the past year or 2 he NEVER said anything about making a living - it was all about the belts. But recently it's slipped and he's asked why are people preventing me from making a living? Also seemed odd that if he felt that he was truly the best and wanted to unify the belts why was he only fighting once every year or two?

    How he got a title shot, other than the money it generates, is beyond me. On the surface, his last performance was as good as he's looked in a LONGGGG time and I started thinking that maybe the shoulder injuries DID have alot to do with it. But this time I'm going to be objective and this recent string of wins just make him look better than what he actually is because of the hand-picked opponents he's faced.

    It's hard to tell from one fight and obviously, we won't know until the 13th but Holy fans, don't get your hopes up. We've been down this road before.

     If you go back and watch his fights from the early 90's as opposed to post-Mike Tyson there is a huge difference. Granted he's not gonna be the Holyfield that had all the tools to DOMINATE Bowe One if he had faught the entire fight as he did the 1st round.  BUT now (with the exception of his last fight) it's been all about fainting and counter-punching to set everything up - and it's usually only one punch at a time. 

    That's all he's done since 1995 is stand there bob his head and try to bait his opponent to throw a punch. The jab has been non-existant. A pretty obvious clue that he his hesitant to pull the trigger.  Before Savarese, I asked for 10 years, Why doesn't he use the f*cking jab???  Yeah, the shoulders --That's what we've been told but his statements alone have been making him alot of undeserving paychecks in the last 3 quarters of a decade.

     If one looks at everything objectively this should be the end of the road. If he wins, hey, give him a chance to fight for another belt but the next loss....Holy, just retire. I live about 90 minutes down the NYS Thruway from Canastota and would like to be around to see the induction. 21 years until I retire. God, I hope he's not STILL fighting.  

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2007 - 10:37 AM ET #20

    Yep, Just watched some of this fight on Utube. Same sh*t as before.  No jab for Holy - just wait and faint trying to land one punch. Reflexes, man. Give it up.
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    Yep, Just watched some of this fight on Utube. Same sh*t as before.  No jab for Holy - just wait and faint trying to land one punch. Reflexes, man. Give it up.
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