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    Froch/Dirrell Fight Discussion

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    Mack05
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2009 - 8:52 AM ET #1

    Especially for Rich......
     
    Danno, I see why people like Dirrell in this spot. If this was 3 years down the line in the States and Dirrell had fought a few top contenders I'm sure he has too much for Froch as techically he is a better boxer.
     
    But he has never been in the ring against the fighter of the calibre of Froch and he will never have endured the pressure that Froch is going to put him under and all of this away from home! Of course we don't know how good Dirrell really is. He could be very special (I believe Ward is better but I could easily be wrong).
     
    I'm surprised to see the line so short so maybe the books know something I don't. I would have Froch -300 in this spot but he is only -175.
     
    I do not think this is a cakewalk for Froch but I can't see Dirrell knocking him out and this fight will be close. I therefore can't see Dirrell getting a close decision in England.
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    Especially for Rich......
     
    Danno, I see why people like Dirrell in this spot. If this was 3 years down the line in the States and Dirrell had fought a few top contenders I'm sure he has too much for Froch as techically he is a better boxer.
     
    But he has never been in the ring against the fighter of the calibre of Froch and he will never have endured the pressure that Froch is going to put him under and all of this away from home! Of course we don't know how good Dirrell really is. He could be very special (I believe Ward is better but I could easily be wrong).
     
    I'm surprised to see the line so short so maybe the books know something I don't. I would have Froch -300 in this spot but he is only -175.
     
    I do not think this is a cakewalk for Froch but I can't see Dirrell knocking him out and this fight will be close. I therefore can't see Dirrell getting a close decision in England.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2009 - 3:12 PM ET #2

    Initially I liked Dirrell b/c of his hand-footspeed but am now thinking this may be too tall an order this early in his career, mainly b/c he will have to outpoint Froch to beat him, and to beat him on the road is asking alot.  He'll have to beat him clearly to get the decision.  I see Dirrell looking good and flashy in the first 8 rounds then will start to fade late.  He's never been 12 rds and Froch is a bull who keeps coming at you.  Can Dirrell stay on his bike all nite?  Possibly but he's fighting against alot of variables here:

    -Never been 12 rounds
    -On the road
    -Fighting a more experienced guy

    I will not be wagering on this fight, though.  I am dumping large coin on Dawson -180 DEC over Johnson, and Bute -115 DEC over Andrade, as well as the over rds prop on Kessler-Ward when that hits the board.
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    Initially I liked Dirrell b/c of his hand-footspeed but am now thinking this may be too tall an order this early in his career, mainly b/c he will have to outpoint Froch to beat him, and to beat him on the road is asking alot.  He'll have to beat him clearly to get the decision.  I see Dirrell looking good and flashy in the first 8 rounds then will start to fade late.  He's never been 12 rds and Froch is a bull who keeps coming at you.  Can Dirrell stay on his bike all nite?  Possibly but he's fighting against alot of variables here:

    -Never been 12 rounds
    -On the road
    -Fighting a more experienced guy

    I will not be wagering on this fight, though.  I am dumping large coin on Dawson -180 DEC over Johnson, and Bute -115 DEC over Andrade, as well as the over rds prop on Kessler-Ward when that hits the board.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2009 - 4:28 PM ET #3

    I am all over Ward against Kessler. Think Ward is a LIVE dog, Chad and Lucian both win.
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    I am all over Ward against Kessler. Think Ward is a LIVE dog, Chad and Lucian both win.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2009 - 6:20 PM ET #4

    Kessler is really, really good, and very experienced.  Ward is a better athlete, and is fighting at home, but I'm not sure he's quite ready to climb this mountain yet.  Kessler is just so fundamentally sound.  I like Kessler by close decision here, but Ward is big things in his future.  Unlike that stiff Allan Green, Ward isnt just all hype. Ward and Dirrell will both have fruitful careers, just not sure they're ready to win these fights - yet.
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    Kessler is really, really good, and very experienced.  Ward is a better athlete, and is fighting at home, but I'm not sure he's quite ready to climb this mountain yet.  Kessler is just so fundamentally sound.  I like Kessler by close decision here, but Ward is big things in his future.  Unlike that stiff Allan Green, Ward isnt just all hype. Ward and Dirrell will both have fruitful careers, just not sure they're ready to win these fights - yet.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 29, 2009 - 10:29 PM ET #5

    I agree about Kessler, Rza.  People forget how good Kessler is, because he fights in Europe and doesn't generate alot of excitement, but he's a great fighter.  Most people in the states only saw him when Calzaghe was peppering him to death.  He is the favorite to win this, and rightfully so in my opinion. 
     
     
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    I agree about Kessler, Rza.  People forget how good Kessler is, because he fights in Europe and doesn't generate alot of excitement, but he's a great fighter.  Most people in the states only saw him when Calzaghe was peppering him to death.  He is the favorite to win this, and rightfully so in my opinion. 
     
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2009 - 5:30 AM ET #6

    Danno I am a huge Kessler fan. Kessler is a worthy favourite and Kessler of 4 years ago wins this EASILY but he has been very inactive since the Calzaghe fight and the fights he has had have been against very sub standard opponents. Now he has to step up in class.

    Not only that but he has to travel to the States, even worse Calfornia against a slick undefeated fighter in his back yard. I smell upset.

    If its the same Kesseler he should win but I have a feeling the inactivity/lack of competition and Wards slickness and speed will catch him out. Fascinating fight.

    At these odds the value is with the Dog. Ruff Ruff

     

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    Danno I am a huge Kessler fan. Kessler is a worthy favourite and Kessler of 4 years ago wins this EASILY but he has been very inactive since the Calzaghe fight and the fights he has had have been against very sub standard opponents. Now he has to step up in class.

    Not only that but he has to travel to the States, even worse Calfornia against a slick undefeated fighter in his back yard. I smell upset.

    If its the same Kesseler he should win but I have a feeling the inactivity/lack of competition and Wards slickness and speed will catch him out. Fascinating fight.

    At these odds the value is with the Dog. Ruff Ruff

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2009 - 8:06 AM ET #7

    Dirrells confidence has really taken me by surprise and he has gotten into Froch's head for sure -> https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8307667.stm. I hope Froch wins as I have already placed my bet on him to win but if Dirrell can match his boasts then what a turn - up this would be.
     
    If there is going to be an upset this Saturday night its going to be in this fight. 
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    Dirrells confidence has really taken me by surprise and he has gotten into Froch's head for sure -> https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8307667.stm. I hope Froch wins as I have already placed my bet on him to win but if Dirrell can match his boasts then what a turn - up this would be.
     
    If there is going to be an upset this Saturday night its going to be in this fight. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2009 - 10:05 AM ET #8

    Good find Mack, actually I don't see him inside Froch's head at all.

    I've been studying FACS (Facial action coding system) the past few weeks, you can get a feeling of what it is by watching a show called LIE to ME. The face never lies!

    Everything Carl Froch said, he believed and seemed very Calm. If anything Froch's low-key attitude is getting  INSIDE Dirrell's head.

    Froch was NOT this low-key before fighting Jermaine Taylor, he was amped up and trash talking.

    Dirrell believes what he is saying too.. hid body and facial expression believes he can Knock out Froch.

    Based on this video, Froch seems like he believes he can break down Dirrell little by little, and Dirrell SEEMS to believe he cannot lose, and this won't even be a fight.

    Both fighters don't know how to lose. I would lean towards the Relaxed Froch, than the hyped up animated Dirrell.  (based on this video)!

    I will be watching a few Dirrell fights .. to see if there is a reason he believes he has an easy victory.

    We know Stamina won't be a problem for these two fighters. Froch gained a ton of experience from fighting Jermaine, even got off the canvas, not sure if Jermaine exposed Froch, or it's just what Froch needed.

    I still check the boxing schedule to make sure this is going to happen.. seems too good to be true... all these fights free on showtime.

    If anyone wants I can post a few links for Dirrell fights, and well I guess Froch's few big fights also. 

    Now you want to see someone get inside someones head, Valuev  gets inside Haye's head and Haye Contradicts himself so many times while he's talking.

    Valuev stole Haye's best asset (trashing talking) by coming in with a Mask... :)

    https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8303816.stm

    Look at the disgust on Haye's face, but Haye did worse stuff against the Klitcho brother's and Klitcho family taunting them.

     
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    Good find Mack, actually I don't see him inside Froch's head at all.

    I've been studying FACS (Facial action coding system) the past few weeks, you can get a feeling of what it is by watching a show called LIE to ME. The face never lies!

    Everything Carl Froch said, he believed and seemed very Calm. If anything Froch's low-key attitude is getting  INSIDE Dirrell's head.

    Froch was NOT this low-key before fighting Jermaine Taylor, he was amped up and trash talking.

    Dirrell believes what he is saying too.. hid body and facial expression believes he can Knock out Froch.

    Based on this video, Froch seems like he believes he can break down Dirrell little by little, and Dirrell SEEMS to believe he cannot lose, and this won't even be a fight.

    Both fighters don't know how to lose. I would lean towards the Relaxed Froch, than the hyped up animated Dirrell.  (based on this video)!

    I will be watching a few Dirrell fights .. to see if there is a reason he believes he has an easy victory.

    We know Stamina won't be a problem for these two fighters. Froch gained a ton of experience from fighting Jermaine, even got off the canvas, not sure if Jermaine exposed Froch, or it's just what Froch needed.

    I still check the boxing schedule to make sure this is going to happen.. seems too good to be true... all these fights free on showtime.

    If anyone wants I can post a few links for Dirrell fights, and well I guess Froch's few big fights also. 

    Now you want to see someone get inside someones head, Valuev  gets inside Haye's head and Haye Contradicts himself so many times while he's talking.

    Valuev stole Haye's best asset (trashing talking) by coming in with a Mask... :)

    https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8303816.stm

    Look at the disgust on Haye's face, but Haye did worse stuff against the Klitcho brother's and Klitcho family taunting them.

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2009 - 11:06 AM ET #9

    Rich Great post. I enjoyed reading it. Some interesting observations. I was thinking Haye but I now believe there is great Value in betting Valuev. I just think he is too big for Haye. Haye is an idiot anyway. I used to like him but lost all respect for the way he chased the Klitschkos and then turned chicken (I don't buy his excuses) when it all came to fruition.
     
    Its a very hard fight to read. If Haye can use his speed and keep his distance then he could win on points. In fact if it goes the distance he will win on points. BUT he has a glass chin and that will never change. Valuev will catch him at some stage. I might try find a prop bet for Haye to climb off canvas and win on points. Based on the current odds though the value is with the champ..
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    Rich Great post. I enjoyed reading it. Some interesting observations. I was thinking Haye but I now believe there is great Value in betting Valuev. I just think he is too big for Haye. Haye is an idiot anyway. I used to like him but lost all respect for the way he chased the Klitschkos and then turned chicken (I don't buy his excuses) when it all came to fruition.
     
    Its a very hard fight to read. If Haye can use his speed and keep his distance then he could win on points. In fact if it goes the distance he will win on points. BUT he has a glass chin and that will never change. Valuev will catch him at some stage. I might try find a prop bet for Haye to climb off canvas and win on points. Based on the current odds though the value is with the champ..
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 6:30 PM ET #10

    I have backed Froch cant back out now but the closer the fight closes in. Dirrels super confidence has rocked me...Trent arena still empty
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    I have backed Froch cant back out now but the closer the fight closes in. Dirrels super confidence has rocked me...Trent arena still empty
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 7:06 PM ET #11

    A clip of Gary Shaw at the arena looking super edgy, fighting with reporters..This fight is so intriguing...i have gone back and forth on this one but I'm glad i got me money on the Cobra as that was my intial thought..Not as confident as last fight guys so please take that into account but yes 2.5 star play on the Cobra.
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    A clip of Gary Shaw at the arena looking super edgy, fighting with reporters..This fight is so intriguing...i have gone back and forth on this one but I'm glad i got me money on the Cobra as that was my intial thought..Not as confident as last fight guys so please take that into account but yes 2.5 star play on the Cobra.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 7:57 PM ET #12

    Just been told to a guy to the right (I am 4 seats back ringside!) of me that Gary Shaw was Jeff Lacy's promoter when He came to Manchester to fight Joe! C? Is this correct? Now I am even more confident!
     
    Seriously AD got a shot tonight but I feel Carl drags him to the trenches and wins a close one...Can anyone beat AA in Germany? I say no...not anyone in the super 6 anyway..
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    Just been told to a guy to the right (I am 4 seats back ringside!) of me that Gary Shaw was Jeff Lacy's promoter when He came to Manchester to fight Joe! C? Is this correct? Now I am even more confident!
     
    Seriously AD got a shot tonight but I feel Carl drags him to the trenches and wins a close one...Can anyone beat AA in Germany? I say no...not anyone in the super 6 anyway..
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:03 PM ET #13

    Great atmosphere now! Dirrell is up against it. Froch i hope wins, he if does I win money BUT if Dirrell wins then it blows this whole thing wide open!
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    Great atmosphere now! Dirrell is up against it. Froch i hope wins, he if does I win money BUT if Dirrell wins then it blows this whole thing wide open!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:21 PM ET #14

    Its now MAYHEM!!!!! This delay has to effect dirrell! Everyone is hammered drunk and a 100% Crazy Froch crowd. Thos late start will not help Dirrell...Everyone is so pumped
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    Its now MAYHEM!!!!! This delay has to effect dirrell! Everyone is hammered drunk and a 100% Crazy Froch crowd. Thos late start will not help Dirrell...Everyone is so pumped
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:22 PM ET #15

    What time locally does this fight start.. the froch fight that is..??
     
     
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    What time locally does this fight start.. the froch fight that is..??
     
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:23 PM ET #16

    What is everyones view on the over 11.5 in the Dirrell/Froch fight.
     
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    What is everyones view on the over 11.5 in the Dirrell/Froch fight.
     
     
    Mack05
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:25 PM ET #17

    Starting now guys. Vegas I like the over, I do... but I would not  bet the mortgage on it!
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    Starting now guys. Vegas I like the over, I do... but I would not  bet the mortgage on it!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:29 PM ET #18

    what time is it locally.. in england.. isnt it past midnight?
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    what time is it locally.. in england.. isnt it past midnight?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:31 PM ET #19

    vman. I need turn Blackberry off. It buzzes when i get a reply. It was due to start 30 mins ago. I will start around 2.45/2.50 GMT AM
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    vman. I need turn Blackberry off. It buzzes when i get a reply. It was due to start 30 mins ago. I will start around 2.45/2.50 GMT AM
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:34 PM ET #20

    Fcuk Germany this is seriously hostile! If Dirrell wins....Wow i take my hat off...
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    Fcuk Germany this is seriously hostile! If Dirrell wins....Wow i take my hat off...
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 17, 2009 - 9:41 PM ET #21

    dirrell will beat froch  gl in whatever you do.
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    dirrell will beat froch  gl in whatever you do.
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