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    Dawson-Hopkins Rematch (A rematch joke? Odds, Props, & any Breakdowns?)

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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2012 - 2:41 AM ET #1

    A prop worth a thought:
    The first match it was nearly even money from open to fight time. Now, all that has changed is Hopkins has aged and now knows what he can't do inside the ropes and win.
    It seemed obvious that Dawson's powerful hands and top notch speed at that weight would make a long and difficult bout for Hopkins and allowing Dawson to open it up at any time he feels. While many feel revenge for Dawson to brutalize Hopkins, would only play into the part for Hopkins by allowing the defensive master to save energy while losing rounds in the hopes Dawson fights on emotion and not intellect. I feel Dawson will have strong spurts of domination but also knows he can dominate just jabbing and staying fundamental.
    Hopkins needs Dawson to play the emotion card and use up max energy and allow Hopkins to cease the mid-late rounds with spurts of precision predicated on the over-exerted Dawson.
    Dawson will keep pressure on by walking him down using jabs, 1-2 combos, and body shots against the ropes. Nothing spectacular, but enough after 4 to 5 rounds force Hopkins to realize again that his game plan is not going according to plan. Hopkins now will either start doing antics to razzle Dawson or get himself DQ'd.
    It's quite funny how people were picking Hopkins in fight one as the odds were roughly even money. Now in the rematch (Dawson -400/ Hopkins +300) and Total Rounds 9.5 (Over -550/ Under +450), the only thing that changed was Hopkins is getting closer to age 50 and fans got to see the reality fight, not what they hoped to see. Many fans that believed that that arm incident was a total accident. Notice something different now from the Hopkins original bettors that claimed Dawson needed to cheat. Previously at near even money, Hopkins was a great value. Now (a guesstimate) over 80% of the original Hopkins fans and Hopkins money side have now disappeared. If all is still equal, getting +300 (double to triple the previous odds), you'd assume they would be all over this one. Some handicappers woke up, others remain quiet.
    Overall, people ask why they are having this fight. Mainly because as much of a joke people claim it to be, it will sell because the boxing world and promotions have become a better seel for comedy than HBO comedy and Comedy Central.
    BTW- Now people are predicting Dawson a win by KO (TKO,etc) in middle rounds. I'm curious that Total Rounds 9.5 and Under +450 (or more) aren't the Topic of many threads as this would be my wager if many believe what they have typed. Also, by a fluke you can get Hopkins to win as well.
    Good Luck and Good Betting! Enjoy the fight, if it is a real one and not a theatrical stunt!
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    A prop worth a thought:
    The first match it was nearly even money from open to fight time. Now, all that has changed is Hopkins has aged and now knows what he can't do inside the ropes and win.
    It seemed obvious that Dawson's powerful hands and top notch speed at that weight would make a long and difficult bout for Hopkins and allowing Dawson to open it up at any time he feels. While many feel revenge for Dawson to brutalize Hopkins, would only play into the part for Hopkins by allowing the defensive master to save energy while losing rounds in the hopes Dawson fights on emotion and not intellect. I feel Dawson will have strong spurts of domination but also knows he can dominate just jabbing and staying fundamental.
    Hopkins needs Dawson to play the emotion card and use up max energy and allow Hopkins to cease the mid-late rounds with spurts of precision predicated on the over-exerted Dawson.
    Dawson will keep pressure on by walking him down using jabs, 1-2 combos, and body shots against the ropes. Nothing spectacular, but enough after 4 to 5 rounds force Hopkins to realize again that his game plan is not going according to plan. Hopkins now will either start doing antics to razzle Dawson or get himself DQ'd.
    It's quite funny how people were picking Hopkins in fight one as the odds were roughly even money. Now in the rematch (Dawson -400/ Hopkins +300) and Total Rounds 9.5 (Over -550/ Under +450), the only thing that changed was Hopkins is getting closer to age 50 and fans got to see the reality fight, not what they hoped to see. Many fans that believed that that arm incident was a total accident. Notice something different now from the Hopkins original bettors that claimed Dawson needed to cheat. Previously at near even money, Hopkins was a great value. Now (a guesstimate) over 80% of the original Hopkins fans and Hopkins money side have now disappeared. If all is still equal, getting +300 (double to triple the previous odds), you'd assume they would be all over this one. Some handicappers woke up, others remain quiet.
    Overall, people ask why they are having this fight. Mainly because as much of a joke people claim it to be, it will sell because the boxing world and promotions have become a better seel for comedy than HBO comedy and Comedy Central.
    BTW- Now people are predicting Dawson a win by KO (TKO,etc) in middle rounds. I'm curious that Total Rounds 9.5 and Under +450 (or more) aren't the Topic of many threads as this would be my wager if many believe what they have typed. Also, by a fluke you can get Hopkins to win as well.
    Good Luck and Good Betting! Enjoy the fight, if it is a real one and not a theatrical stunt!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2012 - 8:54 PM ET #2

    what's your picks? Juice is too high on ML or Over.
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    what's your picks? Juice is too high on ML or Over.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2012 - 10:51 PM ET #3

    who cares? there's seriously no way Dawson can lose to Hopkions, EVER.  Take Dawson inside the distance +400 no way this old man can last 12 rounds with Dawson
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    who cares? there's seriously no way Dawson can lose to Hopkions, EVER.  Take Dawson inside the distance +400 no way this old man can last 12 rounds with Dawson
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2012 - 6:49 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by cd2010:

    what's your picks? Juice is too high on ML or Over.


    Juice to high on ML. Apparently so many people believe Dawson by KO taking the under would be a great bet for them, this way if a fluke punch caused a major cut and stop in the the fight, they are covered.
    Also, I'm not a huge fan of hedges unless it is a major bankroll investment. I am a fan of middles and sides under the correct circumstances. I had a nice streak of middles with some sides (betting NFL, NBA, Soccer {Euro 2008, Eng Prm 1, UEFA} and several other sports that fit criteria).
    Remember the movie "TWO for the MONEY" , I was on such a roll the only major differences were I didn't plat D-I College Football, I was single, I never had a client that bet games the size of a million a game across the board (which is stupid or you have to be the greatest handicapper ever), as the advantage we all know is picking and choosing the games we are betting, the best way to bet them and how much. Also, how to adjust your bankroll to optimize you bets.
    Example: Say 3 weeks ago you have a game with the same criteria values that say you should keep the bet the same. The difference is your bankroll management system index shows your average wager have increased due to wins increasing your bankroll and average wager.
    Dawson bettors who like Dawson ITD can get +300.
    One interesting prop many people might assume is a hedge (or can be considered one) goes back to my theory on a cut to Dawson therefore causing a late stop (I doubt it, but I have to consider every possible outcome and odds in every fight). If a headbutt occurred early or mid-rounds and wasn't called accidental (lol- no surprise lately), and it got worse as the rounds went, now forcing Dawson to open up offensively regardless of the original plan, this will allow Hopkins to finally get a chance to counter punch a fighter who is now has no surprise element left (even though there wasn't much to begin with. Giving a HOF fighter and maybe the greatest defensive fighter any edge of surprise changes this fight ina drastic manner.
    Hopkins to win in:
    Round 8: +10000 or 100-1
    Round 9: +9200 or 92-1
    Round 10: +9200 or 92-1
    Round 11: +11000 or 110-1
    Round 12: +12000 or 120-1

    Back to reality: These are a lot of IF's! They must be considered for any and all fights as any alternative or other possibilities must always be considered no matter what the what the game.

    GL to all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd2010:

    what's your picks? Juice is too high on ML or Over.


    Juice to high on ML. Apparently so many people believe Dawson by KO taking the under would be a great bet for them, this way if a fluke punch caused a major cut and stop in the the fight, they are covered.
    Also, I'm not a huge fan of hedges unless it is a major bankroll investment. I am a fan of middles and sides under the correct circumstances. I had a nice streak of middles with some sides (betting NFL, NBA, Soccer {Euro 2008, Eng Prm 1, UEFA} and several other sports that fit criteria).
    Remember the movie "TWO for the MONEY" , I was on such a roll the only major differences were I didn't plat D-I College Football, I was single, I never had a client that bet games the size of a million a game across the board (which is stupid or you have to be the greatest handicapper ever), as the advantage we all know is picking and choosing the games we are betting, the best way to bet them and how much. Also, how to adjust your bankroll to optimize you bets.
    Example: Say 3 weeks ago you have a game with the same criteria values that say you should keep the bet the same. The difference is your bankroll management system index shows your average wager have increased due to wins increasing your bankroll and average wager.
    Dawson bettors who like Dawson ITD can get +300.
    One interesting prop many people might assume is a hedge (or can be considered one) goes back to my theory on a cut to Dawson therefore causing a late stop (I doubt it, but I have to consider every possible outcome and odds in every fight). If a headbutt occurred early or mid-rounds and wasn't called accidental (lol- no surprise lately), and it got worse as the rounds went, now forcing Dawson to open up offensively regardless of the original plan, this will allow Hopkins to finally get a chance to counter punch a fighter who is now has no surprise element left (even though there wasn't much to begin with. Giving a HOF fighter and maybe the greatest defensive fighter any edge of surprise changes this fight ina drastic manner.
    Hopkins to win in:
    Round 8: +10000 or 100-1
    Round 9: +9200 or 92-1
    Round 10: +9200 or 92-1
    Round 11: +11000 or 110-1
    Round 12: +12000 or 120-1

    Back to reality: These are a lot of IF's! They must be considered for any and all fights as any alternative or other possibilities must always be considered no matter what the what the game.

    GL to all!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2012 - 3:03 PM ET #5

    BHop hasn't had a KO since De La Hoya. I would rather just save my money.
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    BHop hasn't had a KO since De La Hoya. I would rather just save my money.
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2012 - 12:53 AM ET #6

    I agree. For all the Hopkins fans, I put out a play that can happen and pay huge. To me, I think Dawson wins like I predicted for fight 1. To big, fast and strong.
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    I agree. For all the Hopkins fans, I put out a play that can happen and pay huge. To me, I think Dawson wins like I predicted for fight 1. To big, fast and strong.
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