I think I have to agree, Mosley at that weight might be too much for Miguel here, add the experience and craftiness of Shane and we're prob looking at a very bloody fight w. Mosley narrowly pulling out a decision in the end, although even that's gonna be tough if the heavily pro-Cotto crowd influences the judging at all.
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I think I have to agree, Mosley at that weight might be too much for Miguel here, add the experience and craftiness of Shane and we're prob looking at a very bloody fight w. Mosley narrowly pulling out a decision in the end, although even that's gonna be tough if the heavily pro-Cotto crowd influences the judging at all.
cotto will win.......... who has mosley beat of any quality except ODL?
Beating De La Hoya is pretty impressive considering his pedigree and the fact that DLH's only other losses have come against Hopkins, Mayweather, and Trinidad.
Collazo, Estrada, Shannan Taylor, Golden Johnson, Leija, and Antonio Diaz were all considered very good fighters at the time Mosley dispatched them with ease. Even a guy like Vargas would give most boxers problems.
Now, let me turn the question around on you: Who has Cotto beaten? I don't even have to say "besides so-and-so" because he hasn't faced anyone close to the caliber of De La Hoya.
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Quote Originally Posted by thasarg:
cotto will win.......... who has mosley beat of any quality except ODL?
Beating De La Hoya is pretty impressive considering his pedigree and the fact that DLH's only other losses have come against Hopkins, Mayweather, and Trinidad.
Collazo, Estrada, Shannan Taylor, Golden Johnson, Leija, and Antonio Diaz were all considered very good fighters at the time Mosley dispatched them with ease. Even a guy like Vargas would give most boxers problems.
Now, let me turn the question around on you: Who has Cotto beaten? I don't even have to say "besides so-and-so" because he hasn't faced anyone close to the caliber of De La Hoya.
Beating De La Hoya is pretty impressive considering his pedigree and the fact that DLH's only other losses have come against Hopkins, Mayweather, and Trinidad.
Collazo, Estrada, Shannan Taylor, Golden Johnson, Leija, and Antonio Diaz were all considered very good fighters at the time Mosley dispatched them with ease. Even a guy like Vargas would give most boxers problems.
Now, let me turn the question around on you: Who has Cotto beaten? I don't even have to say "besides so-and-so" because he hasn't faced anyone close to the caliber of De La Hoya.
If you have to ask who Shane Mosely has beat you prob shouldnt be betting this fightMoselys last win was a good one Collazo would give Cotto alota problems and maybe beat him so theres one guy he beat.Ever since Cotto was almost knocked out by Torrez his managements been feeding him speedsters and runners no one that can really bang the one guy he did fight with Pop was Zab who gave Cotto all he could handle.The Size Speed and Power of Sugar Shanes gonna kill Cotto the only advantage i give Cotto is his mass of boriqua fans that will show up @ MSGSugar Shane in under 9 but just taking Sugar Shane +1??
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Quote Originally Posted by perricm:
Beating De La Hoya is pretty impressive considering his pedigree and the fact that DLH's only other losses have come against Hopkins, Mayweather, and Trinidad.
Collazo, Estrada, Shannan Taylor, Golden Johnson, Leija, and Antonio Diaz were all considered very good fighters at the time Mosley dispatched them with ease. Even a guy like Vargas would give most boxers problems.
Now, let me turn the question around on you: Who has Cotto beaten? I don't even have to say "besides so-and-so" because he hasn't faced anyone close to the caliber of De La Hoya.
If you have to ask who Shane Mosely has beat you prob shouldnt be betting this fightMoselys last win was a good one Collazo would give Cotto alota problems and maybe beat him so theres one guy he beat.Ever since Cotto was almost knocked out by Torrez his managements been feeding him speedsters and runners no one that can really bang the one guy he did fight with Pop was Zab who gave Cotto all he could handle.The Size Speed and Power of Sugar Shanes gonna kill Cotto the only advantage i give Cotto is his mass of boriqua fans that will show up @ MSGSugar Shane in under 9 but just taking Sugar Shane +1??
To me, this seems like a mismatch. Not that one fighter will necessarily cruise, but in terms of styles.
The fighters that have given Mosley problems (DLH, Forrest, Wright), each of them have a stiff 1-2. These fighters were able to "shotgun" Mosley and throw off his timing.
Cotto's jab can be sharp at times, but it really is more of a ram used to move forward and get closer to his opponent. In other words, it's more of a range finder.
Without a stiff jab, Cotto is going to have to work harder to get close to Mosley. And, he will be the slower fighter. I think Mosley should be able to pick Cotto apart both countering and as the aggressor. Cotto's defense is very suspect, and he has been hurt by punchers like Torres and Corley, who do not pack the whallop that Sugar does.
I see Mosley being the matador in this fight, using angles and frustrating Cotto, much like Morales did against David Diaz, albeit in a losing effort. Mosley is the most accomplished, complete fighter Cotto has ever been in with and I see his experience and ring generalship being the difference tonight.
Too bad this fight is running $60 for HD though.
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To me, this seems like a mismatch. Not that one fighter will necessarily cruise, but in terms of styles.
The fighters that have given Mosley problems (DLH, Forrest, Wright), each of them have a stiff 1-2. These fighters were able to "shotgun" Mosley and throw off his timing.
Cotto's jab can be sharp at times, but it really is more of a ram used to move forward and get closer to his opponent. In other words, it's more of a range finder.
Without a stiff jab, Cotto is going to have to work harder to get close to Mosley. And, he will be the slower fighter. I think Mosley should be able to pick Cotto apart both countering and as the aggressor. Cotto's defense is very suspect, and he has been hurt by punchers like Torres and Corley, who do not pack the whallop that Sugar does.
I see Mosley being the matador in this fight, using angles and frustrating Cotto, much like Morales did against David Diaz, albeit in a losing effort. Mosley is the most accomplished, complete fighter Cotto has ever been in with and I see his experience and ring generalship being the difference tonight.
Surprised so many like Mosley? Cotto might be Super-Great? He doesn't just win= He HURTS people!. Relentless body-puncher that can slow the fastest fighters down. I used to be a big Sugar Shane fan so I have mixed emotions on the outcome of this one. The price seems right at Cotto -150 so have to Pass. The best bet has to be Magarito at -11-1 over Golden Johnson. This is an unbelievable mis-match at this weight class and I would put the odds at Margarito at least at 20-1 to win. If your strictly a value player Margarito at -11-1 might be the biggest under-lay of the year. GLTU!
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Surprised so many like Mosley? Cotto might be Super-Great? He doesn't just win= He HURTS people!. Relentless body-puncher that can slow the fastest fighters down. I used to be a big Sugar Shane fan so I have mixed emotions on the outcome of this one. The price seems right at Cotto -150 so have to Pass. The best bet has to be Magarito at -11-1 over Golden Johnson. This is an unbelievable mis-match at this weight class and I would put the odds at Margarito at least at 20-1 to win. If your strictly a value player Margarito at -11-1 might be the biggest under-lay of the year. GLTU!
Look at the Covers.com Boxing fourm HOF user-names in this thread.
Don't see Alwayswin, nor Redlad as much as I & my wallet would like to.
A.dub: SSM has short arms, (long wingspan w/ chiseled shoulders, but not what HBO correctly defines as Reach). I view that as very overlooked in this one. As MAC is closer to SSM than he is to other Welters. IF SSM can red-cape my boy MAC, then yah; he could counter his way to victory. IF he's quick enough to do so pushing 38.
Redlad: I don't disagry, but must ask, do you see AM as diminished or maybe even damaged goods after the P.Will' fight? I'm on AM to win SU, but he seems an old 29, based on his Career long style.
TIA both.
GLA! bigeiii
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Look at the Covers.com Boxing fourm HOF user-names in this thread.
Don't see Alwayswin, nor Redlad as much as I & my wallet would like to.
A.dub: SSM has short arms, (long wingspan w/ chiseled shoulders, but not what HBO correctly defines as Reach). I view that as very overlooked in this one. As MAC is closer to SSM than he is to other Welters. IF SSM can red-cape my boy MAC, then yah; he could counter his way to victory. IF he's quick enough to do so pushing 38.
Redlad: I don't disagry, but must ask, do you see AM as diminished or maybe even damaged goods after the P.Will' fight? I'm on AM to win SU, but he seems an old 29, based on his Career long style.
Good call Cotto backers. Tood bad Mosley stopped fighting in 11 and 12. Not to sound sour, but I thought after the 10th that fight was all his. Made the mistake of trying that sweeping right hand till the end (which was being countered) instead of shooting up the middle with the uppercuts that were absolute money.
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Good call Cotto backers. Tood bad Mosley stopped fighting in 11 and 12. Not to sound sour, but I thought after the 10th that fight was all his. Made the mistake of trying that sweeping right hand till the end (which was being countered) instead of shooting up the middle with the uppercuts that were absolute money.
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