Posted:
#1
Anyone know what the odds are I have yet to see anything released.
thx in advance
Berto V Ortiz II Odds
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Posted:
#6
Anyone with analysis or strong opinion? Only because Ortiz is mentally weak (compared to average fighter), it makes this fight a little different this time around. I bet a lot on him at just under +400, but that fight he was hungry and the winner it was assumed would get a bout with Mayweather (if Berto won, Mayweather wouldn't have taken that fight).
I think this time Ortiz is looking to get paid, and just because he still remains physically superior, either his over-confidence or his lack on focus might lead to a loss. This is one of the few times I actually will watch the media and try to see the mind-set of the fighters. Berto took a physical beating, but proved to me he had more heart than I originally thought. I don't think working with strength & conditioning trainer Conte in the short time so far will help Berto in a major way. I believe this fight does serve to his new strength trainer. Ortiz is a quitter, and if Berto is able to keep on the gas and increase his strength just slightly, I feel Ortiz might easily have no problem quitting a 3rd time!
I think this time Ortiz is looking to get paid, and just because he still remains physically superior, either his over-confidence or his lack on focus might lead to a loss. This is one of the few times I actually will watch the media and try to see the mind-set of the fighters. Berto took a physical beating, but proved to me he had more heart than I originally thought. I don't think working with strength & conditioning trainer Conte in the short time so far will help Berto in a major way. I believe this fight does serve to his new strength trainer. Ortiz is a quitter, and if Berto is able to keep on the gas and increase his strength just slightly, I feel Ortiz might easily have no problem quitting a 3rd time!
Posted:
#7
i always assumed that all the bookmakers consulted you first before setting lines. if i remember correctly you are a professional card counter, mma fighter, amatuer boxer with 40 wins and only two draws(debatable) and probably the youngest person ever to win 75k+ on a single fight(holy/tyson) at the precocious age of 20.
you should start one of those gold mining companies. there is only a small percetage of people in the general population that possess your particular talent.
Posted:
#8
This thread started as opening odds for a bout. I stated at first I didn't know, but named someone who might. I then found and posted but did a typo and reversed the odds. Walktheline corrected me, then I posted if anyone had thoughts or analysis, and I stated a few thoughts of my own.
Now begins a personal attack because... boredom? This forum has some solid handicappers. The info you stated above in its sarcastic tone was information that most was posted in response to "thesoulpurpose" in regards of him calling me out on my experience and what not. After a few back and forth personal attacks, we just let it go and basically post boxing (and other topics with shared interests).
It is apparent you repeatedly repeat the same information about me that never changes. Some would have to question why in this thread you would personally attack a post out of the blue. This would be scary if I was a 13 year old female, as it seems you have more interest in a post I made nearly a year ago, and using the word precocious. I didn't win 8 Olympic Gold Medals, and I doubt I was the youngest person to win 75+k on a fight at the age of 22 (not 20).
For people reading and curiously wondering why a Covers member decides to mock another member on a small simple six post thread in which each post was about boxing, ... then post seven becomes more a sociopath style stalker. Boredom, jealousy (not sure of what), it starts to remind me of Kevin Spacey in "SE7EN".
Let me just refer to "Qncyk1" as "Private Pyle"
. A quote that sums you up...
"What is your major malfunction, 
num$&#%$?
Now begins a personal attack because... boredom? This forum has some solid handicappers. The info you stated above in its sarcastic tone was information that most was posted in response to "thesoulpurpose" in regards of him calling me out on my experience and what not. After a few back and forth personal attacks, we just let it go and basically post boxing (and other topics with shared interests).
It is apparent you repeatedly repeat the same information about me that never changes. Some would have to question why in this thread you would personally attack a post out of the blue. This would be scary if I was a 13 year old female, as it seems you have more interest in a post I made nearly a year ago, and using the word precocious. I didn't win 8 Olympic Gold Medals, and I doubt I was the youngest person to win 75+k on a fight at the age of 22 (not 20).
For people reading and curiously wondering why a Covers member decides to mock another member on a small simple six post thread in which each post was about boxing, ... then post seven becomes more a sociopath style stalker. Boredom, jealousy (not sure of what), it starts to remind me of Kevin Spacey in "SE7EN".
Let me just refer to "Qncyk1" as "Private Pyle"
. A quote that sums you up... "What is your major malfunction, num$&#%$?
Posted:
#9
I'm going to try and analyze why you would post what you did at that time on that thread (why not, I could start a case study on behavior on you alone).
I did reply posts at the same time period to around a half dozen with a few that meant as jokes. I did notice that none were replies to your posts direct or indirectly that I recall. So, after maybe several weeks of no direct communication or attacks leads me to my first conclusion.
C1) You posted using another username and one of the replies you took personally. Unless you used a different computer (Different MAC) with a different IP address, Covers could know easily.
C2) Maybe it was a dear friend of yours I somehow insulted.
C3) Cuckoo goes the weasel.
Let's post odds... or NOT! I will submit to Covers and go with C1.
I did reply posts at the same time period to around a half dozen with a few that meant as jokes. I did notice that none were replies to your posts direct or indirectly that I recall. So, after maybe several weeks of no direct communication or attacks leads me to my first conclusion.
C1) You posted using another username and one of the replies you took personally. Unless you used a different computer (Different MAC) with a different IP address, Covers could know easily.
C2) Maybe it was a dear friend of yours I somehow insulted.
C3) Cuckoo goes the weasel.
Let's post odds... or NOT! I will submit to Covers and go with C1.
Posted:
#10
Since you like to post in any thread relevant to the topic at hand (even when it's not about boxing), I enjoyed your post.
Way too big? 17k seems enough. Anyway, the all-time biggest money fight was Oscar and Floyd. The gate brought $20 Million, and PPV revenues were $120 Million. Jerseyboy89 replied... "DON"T BE A CLOWN" (sums that up).
Did you ever hear of the Game of the Century? Look it up.
The Game of the Century in college basketball was a historical NCAA game between the University of Houston Cougars and the UCLA Bruins played on January 20, 1968 at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas. It was the first NCAA regular season game broadcast nationwide in prime time.
The Game was a boon for college basketball but a bust for spectators.
Quote Originally Posted by Qncyk1:
we do not know all the reasoning behind this. to my understanding, pbf has a commited date to the mgm grand garden that holds around 17k. his incarceration date was stayed because he has agreed to a fight in vegas and nowhere else.
this fight could be held in cowboys stadium and would probably sell 50k if not more.
this fight is way too big to be limited at the mgm.
Way too big? 17k seems enough. Anyway, the all-time biggest money fight was Oscar and Floyd. The gate brought $20 Million, and PPV revenues were $120 Million. Jerseyboy89 replied... "DON"T BE A CLOWN" (sums that up).
Did you ever hear of the Game of the Century? Look it up.
The Game of the Century in college basketball was a historical NCAA game between the University of Houston Cougars and the UCLA Bruins played on January 20, 1968 at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas. It was the first NCAA regular season game broadcast nationwide in prime time.
The Game was a boon for college basketball but a bust for spectators.
Posted:
#11
Quote Originally Posted by ZOUK:
Way too big? 17k seems enough. Anyway, the all-time biggest money fight was Oscar and Floyd. The gate brought $20 Million, and PPV revenues were $120 Million. Jerseyboy89 replied... "DON"T BE A CLOWN" (sums that up).
Did you ever hear of the Game of the Century? Look it up.
The Game of the Century in college basketball was a historical NCAA game between the University of Houston Cougars and the UCLA Bruins played on January 20, 1968 at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas. It was the first NCAA regular season game broadcast nationwide in prime time.
The Game was a boon for college basketball but a bust for spectators.
Way too big? 17k seems enough. Anyway, the all-time biggest money fight was Oscar and Floyd. The gate brought $20 Million, and PPV revenues were $120 Million. Jerseyboy89 replied... "DON"T BE A CLOWN" (sums that up).
Did you ever hear of the Game of the Century? Look it up.
The Game of the Century in college basketball was a historical NCAA game between the University of Houston Cougars and the UCLA Bruins played on January 20, 1968 at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas. It was the first NCAA regular season game broadcast nationwide in prime time.
The Game was a boon for college basketball but a bust for spectators.
elvin hayes vs. lew alcindor
Posted:
#13
winners, zouk. thats what we want. winners.
we dont want to hear about how you paid off your friends mortgage, how you personally know jimmy chan or about your unparralleled proficiency regarding how to properly analyze or handicap a fight. we also dont want to hear about how you went large on ortiz at +400 when there is no proof to back up said claim.
winners.
we want winners.
and you would have to be a fool to think that the gate for paq/pbf at mgm would do more than at cowboys stadium.
its a topic not worthy of debate.
Posted:
#15
Quote Originally Posted by ZOUK:
People forget how bad Kareem's eye was at that time. They saw come National Championship time who the man was. Hayes was phenomenal, but Kareem was all by himself a team!
I'm not stating that the Wizard couldn't win without him, just that no matter where Kareem played he was the man!
People forget how bad Kareem's eye was at that time. They saw come National Championship time who the man was. Hayes was phenomenal, but Kareem was all by himself a team!
I'm not stating that the Wizard couldn't win without him, just that no matter where Kareem played he was the man!
were you around then? Just curious I don't know how old you are. I remember the 1958 nfl title game in black and white. That was the breakthrough game for NFL. Also, in 3/ 8/ 71 ali frazier with the pay per view in the movie theaters. They got 2.5 million each plus the pay per view. It wasn't to smooth as there was problems at the theaters. Riots...lol....The wizard had great players through out the run. Kareem,walton, wicks..hugh list....
Posted:
#16
I like berto in this fight, the first fight was ortiz's first title shot and he rose to the occasion and berto had weight problems and was not right, to me both guys are overrated, but I see berto being the hungrier fighter here, if he makes the weight comfortably than he should out point ortiz, or maybe even a tko on cuts or swelling, the only was ortiz wins this time is by ko and I do not see that happening.
Posted:
#19
BigPapa21:were you around then? Also, in 3/ 8/ 71 ali frazier with the pay per view in the movie theaters. ..
Exactly 3 years later. First NFL game was Washington vs Dallas when I was 5, and watched part of the SF vs Cincinnati first Super Bowl. I watched all of Washington vs Miami Superbowl 17. First CFB game was Miami vs Penn State Fiesta Bowl (Although I did watch Penn State vs Michigan before that as my father gave me parlay tickets (lol), and I needed Penn State and won my first ticket $22... then never won again! First major boxing event was Holmes vs Spinks II, but I had no clue what was going on. Tyson beating Trevor was my first when I understood boxing.
Qncyk1: Tout info is incorrect. I was involved in Marketing Plan for Monte Carlo Investments. I did college hoops for Jan-Feb (Conference Play only) for $50 a week that was transferred on PokerSites.. READ POST #6 and get some insight. Does each bout have to be spelled out exactly for you... learn to read!
Also, what a life you have reading all my past threads... don't lie and say you remember them, you research me and you called me out before and then changed the rules...remember? Or does it count. LOL - You tried a trick question and tricked yourself... that's what CLOWNS do! STOP STALKING MEN!
Exactly 3 years later. First NFL game was Washington vs Dallas when I was 5, and watched part of the SF vs Cincinnati first Super Bowl. I watched all of Washington vs Miami Superbowl 17. First CFB game was Miami vs Penn State Fiesta Bowl (Although I did watch Penn State vs Michigan before that as my father gave me parlay tickets (lol), and I needed Penn State and won my first ticket $22... then never won again! First major boxing event was Holmes vs Spinks II, but I had no clue what was going on. Tyson beating Trevor was my first when I understood boxing.
Qncyk1: Tout info is incorrect. I was involved in Marketing Plan for Monte Carlo Investments. I did college hoops for Jan-Feb (Conference Play only) for $50 a week that was transferred on PokerSites.. READ POST #6 and get some insight. Does each bout have to be spelled out exactly for you... learn to read!
Also, what a life you have reading all my past threads... don't lie and say you remember them, you research me and you called me out before and then changed the rules...remember? Or does it count. LOL - You tried a trick question and tricked yourself... that's what CLOWNS do! STOP STALKING MEN!
Posted:
#20
ZOUK....Yes I was....In this berto fight I think he is going to have the edge just on motivation. If he comes in the way he did last fight he will get caught again. That is a real possibility. I'm sure he is watching film and thinking of making defensive changes but when he gets tagged it could be more of the same. I think where each fighters head is at I give the edge to berto. Should be a good one to watch....GL
Posted:
#21
Zouk, i really like your assesment of this fight. i agree w/ you and papa, and I would give Berto the edge as well. Although, with the way these guys gave a performance like they did the first time. I'm probably going to wager on the expectations of more fireworks, stay away from a side, and throw my cash on under 12 rounds.
Qncyk1 and Zouk. I love to get on here and check out others insights. I've read from both of you, and I honestly believe both of you provide valuable info, and/or predictions, in my opinion.
Its cool if you guys wanna "war of words"........all I ask is that you keep giving your opinions and predictions, because I believe there is valuable info to be obtained from both of you. thanks guys and GL with your wagers.
Posted:
#22
Quote Originally Posted by Jaybirdy:
Zouk, i really like your assesment of this fight.
Its cool if you guys wanna "war of words"........all I ask is that you keep giving your opinions and predictions, because I believe there is valuable info to be obtained from both of you. thanks guys and GL with your wagers.
Thanks. I'm gonna have to start another thread but I get STALKED by Qncyk1. Example... he makes inaccurate statements,
Ortiz Comments
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since coming to this forum you have made three open fight predictions and you have lost all three.
you need to start picking winners and stop condescendingly talking down to others.
people on this forum get respect when they consistently pick more winners than losers which to this point you have failed to do.
winners, okay?
that's what we all want here.
winners.
we can get losers at the local pub."
Boxing 05/07/11: Manny Pacquiao vs Shane Mosley (Analysis)....Pacquiao to win a decision over Mosley
Wager: Over 11.5 Rounds +150
Risk: 6.0 Units to Win 9.0 Units....
If he read, maybe he would notice why I get people I've never seen post here, that have been members for many years, ask my opinion regarding fights, and I get constant PM's for info. He will make an excuse and go on with more BLAH BLAH....he asked a stupid challenge question with all this criteria to name one fighter that did...etc,etc... I did, he said, that doesn't count because.... and then he changed his initial question.! LOL. Even thesoulpurpose named a correct answer as well! LOL
.. he uses and repeats a post I made a long time ago, and even alters it. I will post the link.
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