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    Bad Chad v Tarver

    Mack05
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    Mack05
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    Posted: May. 8, 2009 - 6:18 AM ET #1

    Ok guys my writeup. I urge caution with this fight. I think Chad wins for sure but where is the value? Normally one sided fights that have rematches end up even being more one sided..Anyway I urge min stakes here. Below is my full writeup..

    The rematch nobody wants to see takes place at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this weekend when Chad Dawson defends his IBF and IBO light-heavyweight titles against Antonio Tarver.

    The pair met last October with Dawson putting on a clinic as he romped to a unanimous points win. Judges' scores of 117-110 (twice) and 118-109 only really tell half the story. Dawson dominated Tarver on the night and the Florida southpaw needed to use every ounce of his considerable experience just to hear the final bell.

    With such a conclusive result few can understand why the pair are meeting again so quickly and unsurprisingly 'Bad' Chad has been chalked up as a massive odds-on chance to prevail.

    The reason they are meeting is that Tarver has enforced the rematch clause from their first contract and the man they call the 'Magic Man' has at least been talking a good fight ahead of their return. In a recent pre-fight press gathering he told the assembled media: "Dawson's a young lion and he had a high work rate during our first fight. I missed a few times with my power shots but that's what it is, it's a game of inches. But I always learn from my losses."

    Indeed Tarver has gone to great lengths to tell anyone who will listen that his record in rematches stands up to scrutiny with any fighter in the sport having beaten the likes of Roy Jones, Glen Johnson and Eric Harding after losing to them first time around.

    It's a fair old accomplishment but the 'Magic Man' is going to have to pull more than a rabbit out of a hat to get his hand raised here against a younger, fresher, quicker and slicker opponent.

    Dawson, to me, looks the complete package and it's no coincidence that while Bernard Hopkins has been talking up possible fights with Carl Froch at super-middle or even Tomasz Adamek up at cruiser, he is strangely quiet on the subject of proving himself as top dog at light-heavy against the 27-0 (17) Dawson.

    At 6ft 3in Dawson is big for the weight and having already beaten the likes of Adamek, Johnson and Tarver it's clear he wants to test himself against the best.

    Whether the wily old Hopkins will give him that opportunity remains to be seen but the bottom line is he can't afford to fail here if he is to confirm the view of many that he is one of the best 'pound-for-pound' fighters in the world today.

    No matter which way I look at this one I cannot envisage Tarver pulling it out the bag. He has decent pop in that left hand and maybe you cannot totally rule out him catching Dawson with a 'Hail Mary' left hook (especially given the fact that Dawson has been down before). But he is 40 years old now and giving up height and reach advantages in this one. Dawson's win last time was about as comprehensive as it gets so the big question to me here is not will Chad win but how will he win?

    In 32 pro fights dating all the way back to 1997 Tarver has never been stopped and come what may here he will want to go out on his shield. I have a sneaking suspicion, however, Dawson is just going to dominate so thoroughly this time that Tarver will either be stopped or his corner will show mercy on him and pull him out sometime after the halfway point.

    Chad is not the most devastating puncher in the sport but with a KO percentage ratio above 60 per cent his dig has to be respected. It's 3/1 that the fight ends before the halfway point in round 10 and that looks a bet to me considering Tarver might be about ready to go and Dawson will be looking to make a statement in 'Sin City'.

    This could EASILY go to points but my Pick. Under 9.5 rounds. Cheers Guys..

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Ok guys my writeup. I urge caution with this fight. I think Chad wins for sure but where is the value? Normally one sided fights that have rematches end up even being more one sided..Anyway I urge min stakes here. Below is my full writeup..

    The rematch nobody wants to see takes place at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this weekend when Chad Dawson defends his IBF and IBO light-heavyweight titles against Antonio Tarver.

    The pair met last October with Dawson putting on a clinic as he romped to a unanimous points win. Judges' scores of 117-110 (twice) and 118-109 only really tell half the story. Dawson dominated Tarver on the night and the Florida southpaw needed to use every ounce of his considerable experience just to hear the final bell.

    With such a conclusive result few can understand why the pair are meeting again so quickly and unsurprisingly 'Bad' Chad has been chalked up as a massive odds-on chance to prevail.

    The reason they are meeting is that Tarver has enforced the rematch clause from their first contract and the man they call the 'Magic Man' has at least been talking a good fight ahead of their return. In a recent pre-fight press gathering he told the assembled media: "Dawson's a young lion and he had a high work rate during our first fight. I missed a few times with my power shots but that's what it is, it's a game of inches. But I always learn from my losses."

    Indeed Tarver has gone to great lengths to tell anyone who will listen that his record in rematches stands up to scrutiny with any fighter in the sport having beaten the likes of Roy Jones, Glen Johnson and Eric Harding after losing to them first time around.

    It's a fair old accomplishment but the 'Magic Man' is going to have to pull more than a rabbit out of a hat to get his hand raised here against a younger, fresher, quicker and slicker opponent.

    Dawson, to me, looks the complete package and it's no coincidence that while Bernard Hopkins has been talking up possible fights with Carl Froch at super-middle or even Tomasz Adamek up at cruiser, he is strangely quiet on the subject of proving himself as top dog at light-heavy against the 27-0 (17) Dawson.

    At 6ft 3in Dawson is big for the weight and having already beaten the likes of Adamek, Johnson and Tarver it's clear he wants to test himself against the best.

    Whether the wily old Hopkins will give him that opportunity remains to be seen but the bottom line is he can't afford to fail here if he is to confirm the view of many that he is one of the best 'pound-for-pound' fighters in the world today.

    No matter which way I look at this one I cannot envisage Tarver pulling it out the bag. He has decent pop in that left hand and maybe you cannot totally rule out him catching Dawson with a 'Hail Mary' left hook (especially given the fact that Dawson has been down before). But he is 40 years old now and giving up height and reach advantages in this one. Dawson's win last time was about as comprehensive as it gets so the big question to me here is not will Chad win but how will he win?

    In 32 pro fights dating all the way back to 1997 Tarver has never been stopped and come what may here he will want to go out on his shield. I have a sneaking suspicion, however, Dawson is just going to dominate so thoroughly this time that Tarver will either be stopped or his corner will show mercy on him and pull him out sometime after the halfway point.

    Chad is not the most devastating puncher in the sport but with a KO percentage ratio above 60 per cent his dig has to be respected. It's 3/1 that the fight ends before the halfway point in round 10 and that looks a bet to me considering Tarver might be about ready to go and Dawson will be looking to make a statement in 'Sin City'.

    This could EASILY go to points but my Pick. Under 9.5 rounds. Cheers Guys..

     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2009 - 11:06 AM ET #2

    Good write-up Mack
    Bad Chad rolls here...just a matter of how he does it
    Good luck on your play !

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    Good write-up Mack
    Bad Chad rolls here...just a matter of how he does it
    Good luck on your play !

     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2009 - 2:16 PM ET #3

    I'm touching Dawson ITD +330.
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    I'm touching Dawson ITD +330.
     
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    Posted: May. 8, 2009 - 4:35 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Ok guys my writeup. I urge caution with this fight. I think Chad wins for sure but where is the value? Normally one sided fights that have rematches end up even being more one sided..Anyway I urge min stakes here. Below is my full writeup..

    The rematch nobody wants to see takes place at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this weekend when Chad Dawson defends his IBF and IBO light-heavyweight titles against Antonio Tarver.

    The pair met last October with Dawson putting on a clinic as he romped to a unanimous points win. Judges' scores of 117-110 (twice) and 118-109 only really tell half the story. Dawson dominated Tarver on the night and the Florida southpaw needed to use every ounce of his considerable experience just to hear the final bell.

    With such a conclusive result few can understand why the pair are meeting again so quickly and unsurprisingly 'Bad' Chad has been chalked up as a massive odds-on chance to prevail.

    The reason they are meeting is that Tarver has enforced the rematch clause from their first contract and the man they call the 'Magic Man' has at least been talking a good fight ahead of their return. In a recent pre-fight press gathering he told the assembled media: "Dawson's a young lion and he had a high work rate during our first fight. I missed a few times with my power shots but that's what it is, it's a game of inches. But I always learn from my losses."

    Indeed Tarver has gone to great lengths to tell anyone who will listen that his record in rematches stands up to scrutiny with any fighter in the sport having beaten the likes of Roy Jones, Glen Johnson and Eric Harding after losing to them first time around.

    It's a fair old accomplishment but the 'Magic Man' is going to have to pull more than a rabbit out of a hat to get his hand raised here against a younger, fresher, quicker and slicker opponent.

    Dawson, to me, looks the complete package and it's no coincidence that while Bernard Hopkins has been talking up possible fights with Carl Froch at super-middle or even Tomasz Adamek up at cruiser, he is strangely quiet on the subject of proving himself as top dog at light-heavy against the 27-0 (17) Dawson.

    At 6ft 3in Dawson is big for the weight and having already beaten the likes of Adamek, Johnson and Tarver it's clear he wants to test himself against the best.

    Whether the wily old Hopkins will give him that opportunity remains to be seen but the bottom line is he can't afford to fail here if he is to confirm the view of many that he is one of the best 'pound-for-pound' fighters in the world today.

    No matter which way I look at this one I cannot envisage Tarver pulling it out the bag. He has decent pop in that left hand and maybe you cannot totally rule out him catching Dawson with a 'Hail Mary' left hook (especially given the fact that Dawson has been down before). But he is 40 years old now and giving up height and reach advantages in this one. Dawson's win last time was about as comprehensive as it gets so the big question to me here is not will Chad win but how will he win?

    In 32 pro fights dating all the way back to 1997 Tarver has never been stopped and come what may here he will want to go out on his shield. I have a sneaking suspicion, however, Dawson is just going to dominate so thoroughly this time that Tarver will either be stopped or his corner will show mercy on him and pull him out sometime after the halfway point.

    Chad is not the most devastating puncher in the sport but with a KO percentage ratio above 60 per cent his dig has to be respected. It's 3/1 that the fight ends before the halfway point in round 10 and that looks a bet to me considering Tarver might be about ready to go and Dawson will be looking to make a statement in 'Sin City'.

    This could EASILY go to points but my Pick. Under 9.5 rounds. Cheers Guys..

     nice.....but i trust itd dawson better.........but i see ur vaule in tarver pulling a lucky shot with dawson maybe comin in unmotavated....traver should go down in weight...i think he could have a slight chance down there and still make money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Ok guys my writeup. I urge caution with this fight. I think Chad wins for sure but where is the value? Normally one sided fights that have rematches end up even being more one sided..Anyway I urge min stakes here. Below is my full writeup..

    The rematch nobody wants to see takes place at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this weekend when Chad Dawson defends his IBF and IBO light-heavyweight titles against Antonio Tarver.

    The pair met last October with Dawson putting on a clinic as he romped to a unanimous points win. Judges' scores of 117-110 (twice) and 118-109 only really tell half the story. Dawson dominated Tarver on the night and the Florida southpaw needed to use every ounce of his considerable experience just to hear the final bell.

    With such a conclusive result few can understand why the pair are meeting again so quickly and unsurprisingly 'Bad' Chad has been chalked up as a massive odds-on chance to prevail.

    The reason they are meeting is that Tarver has enforced the rematch clause from their first contract and the man they call the 'Magic Man' has at least been talking a good fight ahead of their return. In a recent pre-fight press gathering he told the assembled media: "Dawson's a young lion and he had a high work rate during our first fight. I missed a few times with my power shots but that's what it is, it's a game of inches. But I always learn from my losses."

    Indeed Tarver has gone to great lengths to tell anyone who will listen that his record in rematches stands up to scrutiny with any fighter in the sport having beaten the likes of Roy Jones, Glen Johnson and Eric Harding after losing to them first time around.

    It's a fair old accomplishment but the 'Magic Man' is going to have to pull more than a rabbit out of a hat to get his hand raised here against a younger, fresher, quicker and slicker opponent.

    Dawson, to me, looks the complete package and it's no coincidence that while Bernard Hopkins has been talking up possible fights with Carl Froch at super-middle or even Tomasz Adamek up at cruiser, he is strangely quiet on the subject of proving himself as top dog at light-heavy against the 27-0 (17) Dawson.

    At 6ft 3in Dawson is big for the weight and having already beaten the likes of Adamek, Johnson and Tarver it's clear he wants to test himself against the best.

    Whether the wily old Hopkins will give him that opportunity remains to be seen but the bottom line is he can't afford to fail here if he is to confirm the view of many that he is one of the best 'pound-for-pound' fighters in the world today.

    No matter which way I look at this one I cannot envisage Tarver pulling it out the bag. He has decent pop in that left hand and maybe you cannot totally rule out him catching Dawson with a 'Hail Mary' left hook (especially given the fact that Dawson has been down before). But he is 40 years old now and giving up height and reach advantages in this one. Dawson's win last time was about as comprehensive as it gets so the big question to me here is not will Chad win but how will he win?

    In 32 pro fights dating all the way back to 1997 Tarver has never been stopped and come what may here he will want to go out on his shield. I have a sneaking suspicion, however, Dawson is just going to dominate so thoroughly this time that Tarver will either be stopped or his corner will show mercy on him and pull him out sometime after the halfway point.

    Chad is not the most devastating puncher in the sport but with a KO percentage ratio above 60 per cent his dig has to be respected. It's 3/1 that the fight ends before the halfway point in round 10 and that looks a bet to me considering Tarver might be about ready to go and Dawson will be looking to make a statement in 'Sin City'.

    This could EASILY go to points but my Pick. Under 9.5 rounds. Cheers Guys..

     nice.....but i trust itd dawson better.........but i see ur vaule in tarver pulling a lucky shot with dawson maybe comin in unmotavated....traver should go down in weight...i think he could have a slight chance down there and still make money...

     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2009 - 3:45 PM ET #6

    Tarver has problems making this weight how could he go down and still have power?
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    Tarver has problems making this weight how could he go down and still have power?
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2009 - 3:53 PM ET #7

    no way....
    this fight is a long boring one...
    all chad dawson... i see tarver on the defensive all night
    and again losing to the score cards.,
     
    all three judges in favor of Chad Dawson.
     
    he's quick, faster, stronger, and hungrier... And Tarver has the skill to last....
     
    Over 9.5 rounds!!!
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    no way....
    this fight is a long boring one...
    all chad dawson... i see tarver on the defensive all night
    and again losing to the score cards.,
     
    all three judges in favor of Chad Dawson.
     
    he's quick, faster, stronger, and hungrier... And Tarver has the skill to last....
     
    Over 9.5 rounds!!!
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2009 - 3:58 PM ET #8

    nah, in the distance for me
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    nah, in the distance for me
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2009 - 5:00 PM ET #9

    Tough call but I think you have the right side.
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    Tough call but I think you have the right side.
     
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    Posted: May. 9, 2009 - 7:53 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Ok guys my writeup. I urge caution with this fight. I think Chad wins for sure but where is the value? Normally one sided fights that have rematches end up even being more one sided..Anyway I urge min stakes here. Below is my full writeup..

    The rematch nobody wants to see takes place at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this weekend when Chad Dawson defends his IBF and IBO light-heavyweight titles against Antonio Tarver.

    The pair met last October with Dawson putting on a clinic as he romped to a unanimous points win. Judges' scores of 117-110 (twice) and 118-109 only really tell half the story. Dawson dominated Tarver on the night and the Florida southpaw needed to use every ounce of his considerable experience just to hear the final bell.

    With such a conclusive result few can understand why the pair are meeting again so quickly and unsurprisingly 'Bad' Chad has been chalked up as a massive odds-on chance to prevail.

    The reason they are meeting is that Tarver has enforced the rematch clause from their first contract and the man they call the 'Magic Man' has at least been talking a good fight ahead of their return. In a recent pre-fight press gathering he told the assembled media: "Dawson's a young lion and he had a high work rate during our first fight. I missed a few times with my power shots but that's what it is, it's a game of inches. But I always learn from my losses."

    Indeed Tarver has gone to great lengths to tell anyone who will listen that his record in rematches stands up to scrutiny with any fighter in the sport having beaten the likes of Roy Jones, Glen Johnson and Eric Harding after losing to them first time around.

    It's a fair old accomplishment but the 'Magic Man' is going to have to pull more than a rabbit out of a hat to get his hand raised here against a younger, fresher, quicker and slicker opponent.

    Dawson, to me, looks the complete package and it's no coincidence that while Bernard Hopkins has been talking up possible fights with Carl Froch at super-middle or even Tomasz Adamek up at cruiser, he is strangely quiet on the subject of proving himself as top dog at light-heavy against the 27-0 (17) Dawson.

    At 6ft 3in Dawson is big for the weight and having already beaten the likes of Adamek, Johnson and Tarver it's clear he wants to test himself against the best.

    Whether the wily old Hopkins will give him that opportunity remains to be seen but the bottom line is he can't afford to fail here if he is to confirm the view of many that he is one of the best 'pound-for-pound' fighters in the world today.

    No matter which way I look at this one I cannot envisage Tarver pulling it out the bag. He has decent pop in that left hand and maybe you cannot totally rule out him catching Dawson with a 'Hail Mary' left hook (especially given the fact that Dawson has been down before). But he is 40 years old now and giving up height and reach advantages in this one. Dawson's win last time was about as comprehensive as it gets so the big question to me here is not will Chad win but how will he win?

    In 32 pro fights dating all the way back to 1997 Tarver has never been stopped and come what may here he will want to go out on his shield. I have a sneaking suspicion, however, Dawson is just going to dominate so thoroughly this time that Tarver will either be stopped or his corner will show mercy on him and pull him out sometime after the halfway point.

    Chad is not the most devastating puncher in the sport but with a KO percentage ratio above 60 per cent his dig has to be respected. It's 3/1 that the fight ends before the halfway point in round 10 and that looks a bet to me considering Tarver might be about ready to go and Dawson will be looking to make a statement in 'Sin City'.

    This could EASILY go to points but my Pick. Under 9.5 rounds. Cheers Guys..



    Thanks for clearing that up.  Thought it was at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, at the end of the strip.  There is a tram that connects the MB, Excalibur, and Luxor.  Right across the street is where the Tropicana hotel is located.  I'm pretty sure you can get cheap rooms there but the place is pretty ghetto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Ok guys my writeup. I urge caution with this fight. I think Chad wins for sure but where is the value? Normally one sided fights that have rematches end up even being more one sided..Anyway I urge min stakes here. Below is my full writeup..

    The rematch nobody wants to see takes place at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this weekend when Chad Dawson defends his IBF and IBO light-heavyweight titles against Antonio Tarver.

    The pair met last October with Dawson putting on a clinic as he romped to a unanimous points win. Judges' scores of 117-110 (twice) and 118-109 only really tell half the story. Dawson dominated Tarver on the night and the Florida southpaw needed to use every ounce of his considerable experience just to hear the final bell.

    With such a conclusive result few can understand why the pair are meeting again so quickly and unsurprisingly 'Bad' Chad has been chalked up as a massive odds-on chance to prevail.

    The reason they are meeting is that Tarver has enforced the rematch clause from their first contract and the man they call the 'Magic Man' has at least been talking a good fight ahead of their return. In a recent pre-fight press gathering he told the assembled media: "Dawson's a young lion and he had a high work rate during our first fight. I missed a few times with my power shots but that's what it is, it's a game of inches. But I always learn from my losses."

    Indeed Tarver has gone to great lengths to tell anyone who will listen that his record in rematches stands up to scrutiny with any fighter in the sport having beaten the likes of Roy Jones, Glen Johnson and Eric Harding after losing to them first time around.

    It's a fair old accomplishment but the 'Magic Man' is going to have to pull more than a rabbit out of a hat to get his hand raised here against a younger, fresher, quicker and slicker opponent.

    Dawson, to me, looks the complete package and it's no coincidence that while Bernard Hopkins has been talking up possible fights with Carl Froch at super-middle or even Tomasz Adamek up at cruiser, he is strangely quiet on the subject of proving himself as top dog at light-heavy against the 27-0 (17) Dawson.

    At 6ft 3in Dawson is big for the weight and having already beaten the likes of Adamek, Johnson and Tarver it's clear he wants to test himself against the best.

    Whether the wily old Hopkins will give him that opportunity remains to be seen but the bottom line is he can't afford to fail here if he is to confirm the view of many that he is one of the best 'pound-for-pound' fighters in the world today.

    No matter which way I look at this one I cannot envisage Tarver pulling it out the bag. He has decent pop in that left hand and maybe you cannot totally rule out him catching Dawson with a 'Hail Mary' left hook (especially given the fact that Dawson has been down before). But he is 40 years old now and giving up height and reach advantages in this one. Dawson's win last time was about as comprehensive as it gets so the big question to me here is not will Chad win but how will he win?

    In 32 pro fights dating all the way back to 1997 Tarver has never been stopped and come what may here he will want to go out on his shield. I have a sneaking suspicion, however, Dawson is just going to dominate so thoroughly this time that Tarver will either be stopped or his corner will show mercy on him and pull him out sometime after the halfway point.

    Chad is not the most devastating puncher in the sport but with a KO percentage ratio above 60 per cent his dig has to be respected. It's 3/1 that the fight ends before the halfway point in round 10 and that looks a bet to me considering Tarver might be about ready to go and Dawson will be looking to make a statement in 'Sin City'.

    This could EASILY go to points but my Pick. Under 9.5 rounds. Cheers Guys..



    Thanks for clearing that up.  Thought it was at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, at the end of the strip.  There is a tram that connects the MB, Excalibur, and Luxor.  Right across the street is where the Tropicana hotel is located.  I'm pretty sure you can get cheap rooms there but the place is pretty ghetto.

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    Good luck Mack.  That would be fine by me either way.
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    Good luck Mack.  That would be fine by me either way.
     
     
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    this fight went exactly the way i thought it would!
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    this fight went exactly the way i thought it would!
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