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Author: [Politics] Topic: Five Guys: Obamacare will boost burger prices
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Posted: 3/13/2013 12:41:22 PM
Any added costs are going to have to be passed on," said Mike Ruffer, a Five Guys franchise holder with eight of the popular restaurants in the Raleigh-Durham, N.C. area. He will need all the profits from at least one of his eight outlets just to cover his estimated added $60,000-a year in new Obamacare costs.

What's more, he's iced plans to build another three restaurants until after the administration explains the exact rules and penalties employers will face. The law's plan to have those available March 1 has been pushed back to October.

"I'm kind of in a holding pattern," said Ruffer, a former Marriott executive who added that many franchise owners are in a similar situation.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2523934#.UT7DtwHtPA4.facebook

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Posted: 3/13/2013 12:54:19 PM
it's a terrible thing that fat people who pay money to a business to get fatter and increase the healthcare costs the rest of us have to pay for their obesity and diabetes and strokes and heart disease have to pay more for healthcare in the process of getting fatter and increasing health care costs.

too bad the rightwing way can't prevail where they can keep contributing to the exploding healthcare costs and stick their hand out for other people to pay for it. 
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Posted: 3/13/2013 1:15:37 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

it's a terrible thing that fat people who pay money to a business to get fatter and increase the healthcare costs the rest of us have to pay for their obesity and diabetes and strokes and heart disease have to pay more for healthcare in the process of getting fatter and increasing health care costs.

too bad the rightwing way can't prevail where they can keep contributing to the exploding healthcare costs and stick their hand out for other people to pay for it. 

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Should the govt legislate what we do with our bodies or should the govt stay away?
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Posted: 3/13/2013 1:51:18 PM

Obamacare is a disaster of a bill is the point.  The entire law needss to be repealed because it is killing jobs. 

 

The report goes on to explain that Ruffner thought he’d be exempt from “Obamacare” because he built each restaurant as its own company. However, the healthcare law doesn’t recognize this distinction – so now he’s exploring whether laying off employees or cutting back hours will keep his franchise safe from “Obamacare.”

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Posted: 3/13/2013 1:58:16 PM

Ted Cruz is on CSPN2 right now on why we should repeal Obamacare.  He is a Star. 

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

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Posted: 3/13/2013 2:33:18 PM

@ post #2

so all people who go to 5 guys are fat people?

do you also think that all black who wear hoodies are gang members?

or maybe all priests are pedophiles?

how about.....oh never mind, you get the picture

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Posted: 3/13/2013 2:39:23 PM

but back on topic, who didnt think that any costs incurred by biz would be passed on to their customers??

We have always provided health insurance and its always figured into our labor rate just like every other expense.

 

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Posted: 3/13/2013 3:00:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

it's a terrible thing that fat people who pay money to a business to get fatter and increase the healthcare costs the rest of us have to pay for their obesity and diabetes and strokes and heart disease have to pay more for healthcare in the process of getting fatter and increasing health care costs.

too bad the rightwing way can't prevail where they can keep contributing to the exploding healthcare costs and stick their hand out for other people to pay for it. 

You hit the nail on the head.  Its a shame all people can't be staunch left leaning progressives.  After all, we all know they all work hard, pay their "fair share" of taxes, are at the ideal body weight, have never taken handouts, are more than happy to redistribute their own wealth (especially their political leaders) to practice what they preach.  
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Posted: 3/13/2013 3:06:10 PM

What will be interesting is what will happen to businesses in states that declined to set up the exchanges. In those states, the Feds will step in and set up the exchange. The problem is the law specifically states that businesses in states are obligated to provide insurance or get fined if any employee gets a govt subsidy for healthcare, but no subsidies are available under this law if the FEds set up the exchange. Since the Feds set up the exchanges not the states, those businesses have a legit argument to be exempt from the law. Quite a quandry.

This is not done going to the Supreme Court.

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Posted: 3/13/2013 4:17:37 PM

Wow.

Some very intellectually challenged right wing posts in this thread.

1) Any additional cost can always be claimed as a basis to pass on to the consumer. Welcome to the real world. At our office, we can, at any time, raise prices/charges. All of these businesses that are coming out and claiming this is the basis begs the question....why isn't every business using this excuse?

2) The government does already legislate what we do with our bodies and it does already cost the taxpayers.

EMTALA is an example. The government says..do what you want, the hospitals have to take you and it will cost everyone else who has insurance.

The government legislates abortion restrictions. Who do you think pays for those unwanted children born into welfare?

I love when right wingers conveniently forgot that.

Oh, and by the way, where in ObamaCare is the government legislating dietary things? Its called 'collateral consequence.'

 

 

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Posted: 3/13/2013 7:55:44 PM
Obviously if the price of labor goes up, the prices of goods and services will rise. 

That is day one stuff bro. 
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Posted: 3/13/2013 7:58:09 PM
The difference is that when the cost of steel to build a ship increases it is common sense to know that the price of a finished ship will rise to meet the new market. 

Why on Earth would the price of labor not be reflected in any company's bottom line.  

It is not greed, it is not a "right-wing" fantasy,  it is basic cause and effect.   


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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:00:05 PM
Furthermore,  we knew day one Obamacare was going to have these effects.  We said it from day one. 

The CBO conveniently posted favorable estimations of outright costs, but for some odd reason they have more than tripled. . LOL 

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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:07:38 PM
for posts 7 & 8, you guys should know by now that i post exaggerations and generalizations almost exlusively in response to the same initially done by someone else.  and there's a lot of rightwing exaggeration and generalization to work with on this forum. 

lordspoint, not all people who eat at 5 guys are fat but almost all of the food served at 5 guys contributes to obesity and the expensive conditions that result from it and similar problems.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:08:39 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

for posts 7 & 8, you guys should know by now that i post exaggerations and generalizations almost exlusively in response to the same initially done by someone else.  and there's a lot of rightwing exaggeration and generalization to work with on this forum. 

lordspoint, not all people who eat at 5 guys are fat but almost all of the food served at 5 guys contributes to obesity and the expensive conditions that result from it and similar problems.


posts 6 & 8 but i imagine people with even the slightest understanding of food and obesity can see the irony of owners of 5 guys and papa johns complaining about healthcare.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:10:26 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:


Dirt:

Should the govt legislate what we do with our bodies or should the govt stay away?


mostly no, but in some circumstances, yes.  give me an example and i'll tell you what i think.  as to the most obvious example, that dj brought up, government should not tell women what they can do with their bodies, at least for the first several months. 
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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:35:29 PM
What about Bloomberg and his soda crusade? 

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Posted: 3/13/2013 9:37:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

What about Bloomberg and his soda crusade? 



i understand the theory but like most things, it's dumb in practice for several reasons.  so i say no to that.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 9:45:21 PM
in other words, are sodas bad for us, particularly kids?  yes.  soda may be the worst thing people consume when you consider how much people drink and how much surgar there is per serving.  and does it affect me when other people consume too much sugar?  absolutely as it significantly contributes to various medical conditions that cause our healthcare costs to be so high that we all pay for.  it's not anything like some guy lighting up a joint when he gets home from work.

that being said, is the answer to pass another law attempting to limit the size of soft drinks?  i don't see it.  now, i think the government should spend some money on education, but i don't know that one more law is the answer.
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Posted: 3/13/2013 11:05:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

Furthermore,  we knew day one Obamacare was going to have these effects.  We said it from day one. 

The CBO conveniently posted favorable estimations of outright costs, but for some odd reason they have more than tripled. . LOL 

Gee. I bet Chick-Fil-A comes out and says that their labor costs have increased thus, the price of sandwiches are increasing.

Its called 'selectivism.' Mindless right wingers will blame ObamaCare without analyzing the situation.

Any additional cost can always be claimed as a basis to pass on to the consumer. Welcome to the real world. At our office, we can, at any time, raise prices/charges. All of these businesses that are coming out and claiming this is the basis begs the question....why isn't every business using this excuse?

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Posted: 3/14/2013 1:36:06 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

What about Bloomberg and his soda crusade? 


"war on soda" vs "war on drugs"...

same premise... people need government to be regulate what they put in their bodies...

I get the social implications...

but the fiscal conservative in me gets more outraged by the dollars and cents of the whole thing...
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Posted: 3/14/2013 9:16:16 AM
Over 95% of firms with 50+ employees already offer health insurance to employees.  A minority says Obamacare kills jobs but no study has shown this.   Indirectly, Obamacare create jobs by funding training for healthcare jobs.  Also Obamacare has tax credits to help employers pay for employees insurance.  If Papa Johns pass costs onto customers, roughly 5 cents increase in price is needed per pizza.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 9:48:01 AM

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What's more, he's iced plans to build another three restaurants until after the administration explains the exact rules and penalties employers will face. The law's plan to have those available March 1 has been pushed back to October.

Kills Jobs!!

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Posted: 3/14/2013 10:03:25 AM

MUST LISTEN: Mark Levin Show caller, business owner, says Obamacare destroying his business

A caller into the Mark Levin Show tonight who owns a law firm expressed incredible frustration at what Obamacare is going to do to his business. It’s either pay the ludicrous penalties and fines or pay the massively increased premiums for all 65 employees – or work his employees less than 29 hours a week to avoid all of it, which means those employees can’t support their families. Or he says he could just shut down his business. It’s a no-win.

http://www.therightscoop.com/must-listen-mark-levin-show-caller-business-owner-says-obamacare-destroying-his-business/

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Posted: 3/14/2013 10:04:29 AM

On Senate Floor, Rubio Calls for Defunding Obamacare

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4AdqGIsQU4&feature=youtu.be

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