I know the notion of the patriot act is old news..... It's been more than a decade since it was signed. But what do you some of you RP supporters think about this or anyone for that matter. I was talking to my friend who works at a security firm in Rhode Island about this last week.
Was wondering what some of your thoughts are on the right to privacy and whether or not you guys think that the patriot act is a staunch violation of our 4th amend to the constitution of the United States of America as well as section 1 that discusses lawful wire tapping regulations.
thoughts, comments, criticism?
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I know the notion of the patriot act is old news..... It's been more than a decade since it was signed. But what do you some of you RP supporters think about this or anyone for that matter. I was talking to my friend who works at a security firm in Rhode Island about this last week.
Was wondering what some of your thoughts are on the right to privacy and whether or not you guys think that the patriot act is a staunch violation of our 4th amend to the constitution of the United States of America as well as section 1 that discusses lawful wire tapping regulations.
I have worked in security and investigations. What I Saw guys do made my stomach turn. Accessing records etc. The police can't do it, but if a private investigator happens to turn something up, nobody really asks many questions.
Phone records, bills, ATM withdrawals, bank accounts etc.
Online you are spied on from the second you turn on your computer til the second you turn it off.
We are deploying tens of thousands of drones in states, and municipalities to spy on people.
We have eroded our fourth amendment so badly that a guy that is in my military unit (who is also a state trooper), thinks that it is his right to search someone's car if he smells pot, and then proceeded to tell me that even when he dosen't smell pot, he says he does.
Patriot act and NDAA are clear violations of the Constitution . The government, and big business have paid big money to track and monitor our every move. Example-------------------------------->
(right now, covers ads are telling me to get geico, and american express).
All in all, it is so clear, so out there, and so in our faces every day, that people have become accustomed to it.
IT is the new normal.
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I have worked in security and investigations. What I Saw guys do made my stomach turn. Accessing records etc. The police can't do it, but if a private investigator happens to turn something up, nobody really asks many questions.
Phone records, bills, ATM withdrawals, bank accounts etc.
Online you are spied on from the second you turn on your computer til the second you turn it off.
We are deploying tens of thousands of drones in states, and municipalities to spy on people.
We have eroded our fourth amendment so badly that a guy that is in my military unit (who is also a state trooper), thinks that it is his right to search someone's car if he smells pot, and then proceeded to tell me that even when he dosen't smell pot, he says he does.
Patriot act and NDAA are clear violations of the Constitution . The government, and big business have paid big money to track and monitor our every move. Example-------------------------------->
(right now, covers ads are telling me to get geico, and american express).
All in all, it is so clear, so out there, and so in our faces every day, that people have become accustomed to it.
Yeah that's pretty frightening the lack of privacy we have especially with regards to the internet spying and the technology now that investigators look at.
The laws that concern car traffic stops especially moving violations are really God awful because of how much power cops currently have. They certainly have the right to search your car without your consent if you smell of weed etc...
But the question becomes what that probable cause if you get pulled over for failure to signal lane change and then a cop decides that he wants to search your car for whatever reason. Because obviously they have to have some kind of observable fact that would lead them to make that decision to search your car. Otherwise that's what defense attorneys are for to combat that unlawful searches which could be damn hard to argue.
I agree my 4th amendment right has been eroded to the point that its becoming dangerous what will happen in the future with the federal govt and how much unlawful power they will be able to exercise against us.
The thing that stands out to me the most though in terms of the patriot act is the idea that our habeas corpus rights have been depleted to the point that you can be detained for any amount of time not knowing what you're being put in jail for.
That's not how our justice system functions. You always here that we'd rather have 100 guilty people running around free than 1 innocent person locked up. But that's absolutely right. Detaining someone without telling them what they're being detained for is what scares me the most.
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Yeah that's pretty frightening the lack of privacy we have especially with regards to the internet spying and the technology now that investigators look at.
The laws that concern car traffic stops especially moving violations are really God awful because of how much power cops currently have. They certainly have the right to search your car without your consent if you smell of weed etc...
But the question becomes what that probable cause if you get pulled over for failure to signal lane change and then a cop decides that he wants to search your car for whatever reason. Because obviously they have to have some kind of observable fact that would lead them to make that decision to search your car. Otherwise that's what defense attorneys are for to combat that unlawful searches which could be damn hard to argue.
I agree my 4th amendment right has been eroded to the point that its becoming dangerous what will happen in the future with the federal govt and how much unlawful power they will be able to exercise against us.
The thing that stands out to me the most though in terms of the patriot act is the idea that our habeas corpus rights have been depleted to the point that you can be detained for any amount of time not knowing what you're being put in jail for.
That's not how our justice system functions. You always here that we'd rather have 100 guilty people running around free than 1 innocent person locked up. But that's absolutely right. Detaining someone without telling them what they're being detained for is what scares me the most.
I know the notion of the patriot act is old news..... It's been more than a decade since it was signed. But what do you some of you RP supporters think about this or anyone for that matter. I was talking to my friend who works at a security firm in Rhode Island about this last week.
Was wondering what some of your thoughts are on the right to privacy and whether or not you guys think that the patriot act is a staunch violation of our 4th amend to the constitution of the United States of America as well as section 1 that discusses lawful wire tapping regulations.
thoughts, comments, criticism?
I was an RP supporter in his bid for president... It is my understanding that RP was against the patriot act and alot of the things the "reign/war of/on terror" brought about in the early 21st century... the reckless spending on war half way across the world was so against his core beliefs... this is why military and vets seemed to support him as he would have been more conservative and respectful in money, resource and lives...
as for rights, 4th amendment, etc...
I think that in the name of the "reign/war of/on terror" people were willing to allow it to happen to keep us safe against the "axis of evil"...
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Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:
I know the notion of the patriot act is old news..... It's been more than a decade since it was signed. But what do you some of you RP supporters think about this or anyone for that matter. I was talking to my friend who works at a security firm in Rhode Island about this last week.
Was wondering what some of your thoughts are on the right to privacy and whether or not you guys think that the patriot act is a staunch violation of our 4th amend to the constitution of the United States of America as well as section 1 that discusses lawful wire tapping regulations.
thoughts, comments, criticism?
I was an RP supporter in his bid for president... It is my understanding that RP was against the patriot act and alot of the things the "reign/war of/on terror" brought about in the early 21st century... the reckless spending on war half way across the world was so against his core beliefs... this is why military and vets seemed to support him as he would have been more conservative and respectful in money, resource and lives...
as for rights, 4th amendment, etc...
I think that in the name of the "reign/war of/on terror" people were willing to allow it to happen to keep us safe against the "axis of evil"...
People are generally cowards, and will agree to anything if you scare them enough.
It is hard to determine if there has ever been such a cowardly populous and predatory government in history?
I would say Nazi Germany, but they did not legalize indefinite detention, Torture, and the like. They did it, they just never legalized it, like Obama did in NDAA2012.
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People are generally cowards, and will agree to anything if you scare them enough.
It is hard to determine if there has ever been such a cowardly populous and predatory government in history?
I would say Nazi Germany, but they did not legalize indefinite detention, Torture, and the like. They did it, they just never legalized it, like Obama did in NDAA2012.
The problems I've had with RP are his domestic economic policies. I agree somewhat with this foreign policy and obviously the notion of civil libertarianism which is where he differs the most from current republicans
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The problems I've had with RP are his domestic economic policies. I agree somewhat with this foreign policy and obviously the notion of civil libertarianism which is where he differs the most from current republicans
Various law enforcement organizations are lobbying Congress to legislate that mobile phone companies store your SMS messages for 2 years.
Of course if this happens, they cost of text messaging will go up for you.
On top of the invasion of privacy concerns.
This is 100% true although the privacy arguments have been quashed by various courts based on the findings that there is no privacy once the message is transmitted.
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Various law enforcement organizations are lobbying Congress to legislate that mobile phone companies store your SMS messages for 2 years.
Of course if this happens, they cost of text messaging will go up for you.
On top of the invasion of privacy concerns.
This is 100% true although the privacy arguments have been quashed by various courts based on the findings that there is no privacy once the message is transmitted.
Various law enforcement organizations are lobbying Congress to legislate that mobile phone companies store your SMS messages for 2 years.
Of course if this happens, they cost of text messaging will go up for you.
On top of the invasion of privacy concerns.
Yeah that's true and there have been many lawsuits in federal district courts whether or not the phone companies have to give that information over to the govt or law enforcement agencies..
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Various law enforcement organizations are lobbying Congress to legislate that mobile phone companies store your SMS messages for 2 years.
Of course if this happens, they cost of text messaging will go up for you.
On top of the invasion of privacy concerns.
Yeah that's true and there have been many lawsuits in federal district courts whether or not the phone companies have to give that information over to the govt or law enforcement agencies..
I thought that it already had to be stored via patriot act law?
Either way. The company I worked for (no initials, no official sponsorship by any law enforcement agency) only had to call AT&t and politely ask for phone records to obtain them.
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I thought that it already had to be stored via patriot act law?
Either way. The company I worked for (no initials, no official sponsorship by any law enforcement agency) only had to call AT&t and politely ask for phone records to obtain them.
And as soon as the next bomb blows up in a public place, the masses and the media will cry "The people we pay to protect us should have known this was going to happen." Welcome to the 21st century. The age of electronic communication.
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And as soon as the next bomb blows up in a public place, the masses and the media will cry "The people we pay to protect us should have known this was going to happen." Welcome to the 21st century. The age of electronic communication.
The problems I've had with RP are his domestic economic policies. I agree somewhat with this foreign policy and obviously the notion of civil libertarianism which is where he differs the most from current republicans
how so?
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Quote Originally Posted by Stiln:
The problems I've had with RP are his domestic economic policies. I agree somewhat with this foreign policy and obviously the notion of civil libertarianism which is where he differs the most from current republicans
I have worked in security and investigations. What I Saw guys do made my stomach turn. Accessing records etc. The police can't do it, but if a private investigator happens to turn something up, nobody really asks many questions.
Phone records, bills, ATM withdrawals, bank accounts etc.
Online you are spied on from the second you turn on your computer til the second you turn it off.
We are deploying tens of thousands of drones in states, and municipalities to spy on people.
We have eroded our fourth amendment so badly that a guy that is in my military unit (who is also a state trooper), thinks that it is his right to search someone's car if he smells pot, and then proceeded to tell me that even when he dosen't smell pot, he says he does.
Patriot act and NDAA are clear violations of the Constitution . The government, and big business have paid big money to track and monitor our every move. Example-------------------------------->
(right now, covers ads are telling me to get geico, and american express).
All in all, it is so clear, so out there, and so in our faces every day, that people have become accustomed to it.
IT is the new normal.
Is that true ? it sure feels like it.
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Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:
I have worked in security and investigations. What I Saw guys do made my stomach turn. Accessing records etc. The police can't do it, but if a private investigator happens to turn something up, nobody really asks many questions.
Phone records, bills, ATM withdrawals, bank accounts etc.
Online you are spied on from the second you turn on your computer til the second you turn it off.
We are deploying tens of thousands of drones in states, and municipalities to spy on people.
We have eroded our fourth amendment so badly that a guy that is in my military unit (who is also a state trooper), thinks that it is his right to search someone's car if he smells pot, and then proceeded to tell me that even when he dosen't smell pot, he says he does.
Patriot act and NDAA are clear violations of the Constitution . The government, and big business have paid big money to track and monitor our every move. Example-------------------------------->
(right now, covers ads are telling me to get geico, and american express).
All in all, it is so clear, so out there, and so in our faces every day, that people have become accustomed to it.
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