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Posted: 7/4/2012 4:35:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6DrH6P9OC0

Obama plagiarized the idea from Romney. That is indisputable.

The most contested aspect for Conservatives and the Supreme Court is the "Individual Mandate" where one would  be forced to buy health insurance.  

Romney CREATED the idea and framed it as a 'personal responsibility' doctrine. 

That's GOOD because we all need more personal responsibility!!!

Except when Obama does it.

Obama does the exact same thing and it's Socialism!

Just watch the video for yourself. He doesn't mince words and says it on several occasions, even during debates. 

A video like this should have 60 million views, not 60,000.

Do most people know this? HELL NO. That is why it needs to be said over and over and over in posts like this. People's short-term memories are atrocious.

Well click on the video to see the truth.

It's truly hilarious. So go vote for your 'Socialist'... 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 4:49:58 PM
that's the state of the republican party these days.  they went from the worst and craziest candidate (santorum) to the worst, most hypocritical candidate to oppose obamacare. 
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Posted: 7/4/2012 5:14:37 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

that's the state of the republican party these days.  they went from the worst and craziest candidate (santorum) to the worst, most hypocritical candidate to oppose obamacare. 


Yeah...

even worse than john kerry. But at least kerry fought for his country
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Posted: 7/4/2012 5:45:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

that's the state of the republican party these days.  they went from the worst and craziest candidate (santorum) to the worst, most hypocritical candidate to oppose obamacare. 

To think that Santorum was leading the GOP nomination at one time just boggles the mind.

People were up in arms about Jeremiah Wright?

At least Obama attempted to distance himself from him.

Here, Santorum willingly gives him a standing applauding ovation and look what he says!!! It's remarkable that a presidential candidate, one that lead the GOP race for a time, could publicly advocate for such things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgHR_jnFrvQ
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Posted: 7/4/2012 7:06:14 PM

A conservative, liberal & libertarian walk into a bar -

 

Bartender: Hello Mitt, what can I getcha?

 

Know it's probably old but I haven't been paying much attention lately & thought it was funny & right on. Only lukewarm about Obama, but don't know how anyone could vote for this mushman & go back to the Bush yrs foreign affairs wise...

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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:13:40 PM
The republican party's arrogance is dangerous

Mitt Romney took credit for the auto bailout he opposed.

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November 2012 election is not about Obama vs Romney

American people must also put an end to the prolonged obstruction of congressional republicans.
USA’s deep deficits were generated by the War in Iraq and the  Bush tax cuts, which were founded on the false premise that they would pay for themselves.


The Bush Administration never included the cost of the Iraq war in the budget . That's how irresponsible the Bush admin was.

It's Obama's fault that the deficit is higher because the cost of Iraq's war is now included in the budget.

person Cheney's quote

On the economy

  • You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due.
    • to Paul O'Neill, then Treasury Secretary


On Iraq

  • I think that the proposition of going to Baghdad is also fallacious. I think if we we're going to remove Saddam Hussein we would have had to go all the way to Baghdad, we would have to commit a lot of force because I do not believe he would wait in the Presidential Palace for us to arrive. I think we'd have had to hunt him down. And once we'd done that and we'd gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we'd have had to put another government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni government or Shi'i government or a Kurdish government or Ba'athist regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists? How long would we have had to stay in Baghdad to keep that government in place? What would happen to the government once U.S. forces withdrew? How many casualties should the United States accept in that effort to try to create clarity and stability in a situation that is inherently unstable? I think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use military force. I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it's my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq.

Facts don't matter to the arrogant republicans





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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:39:53 PM
It's Obama's fault that the deficit is higher because the cost of Iraq's war is now included in the budget.


I bet it is!!!

The Bush Administration never included the cost of the Iraq war in the budget .

Complete & utter lie.


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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:13:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

It's Obama's fault that the deficit is higher because the cost of Iraq's war is now included in the budget.


I bet it is!!!

The Bush Administration never included the cost of the Iraq war in the budget .

Complete & utter lie.







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Indirect and delayed costs

According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion dollars by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money. The CBO estimated that of the $2.4 trillion long-term price tag for the war, about $1.9 trillion of that would be spent on Iraq, or $6,300 per U.S. citizen


Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank and winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, has stated the total costs of the Iraq War on the US economy will be three trillion dollars in a moderate scenario, and possibly more in the most recent published study, published in March 2008.[12] Stiglitz has stated: "The figure we arrive at is more than $3 trillion. Our calculations are based on conservative assumptions...Needless to say, this number represents the cost only to the United States. It does not reflect the enormous cost to the rest of the world, or to Iraq."[12]

The extended combat and equipment loss have placed a severe financial strain on the U.S Army, causing the elimination of non-essential expenses such as travel and civilian hiring

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Posted: 7/4/2012 10:39:22 PM
Yeah I am still waiting on that Iraqi oil.

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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:37:26 PM
The Bush Administration never included the cost of the Iraq war in the budget .




Um, nothing you posted validates this.

You are unable to understand your own references.


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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:38:24 PM
It is an undisputed fact that the cost of the Iraq war has been included in federal budget accounting.

Asserting otherwise is idiotic.


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Posted: 7/4/2012 11:53:12 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:

A conservative, liberal & libertarian walk into a bar -

 

Bartender: Hello Mitt, what can I getcha?

 

Know it's probably old but I haven't been paying much attention lately & thought it was funny & right on. Only lukewarm about Obama, but don't know how anyone could vote for this mushman & go back to the Bush yrs foreign affairs wise...

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Posted: 7/5/2012 7:10:32 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

It is an undisputed fact that the cost of the Iraq war has been included in federal budget accounting.

Asserting otherwise is idiotic.




You've posted an old link (2005  Washington Post)  that proves nothing.. absolutely nothing



Iraq war started in 2003 .. Bush left office on January 20 2009 and the Iraq war was still costing US taxpayers

By how much did the Iraq war  increase the deficit ?

previous estimates of the Iraq War's cost as being under $1 trillion
was disavowed .

"The Iraq adventure has seriously weakened the U.S. economy, whose woes now go far beyond loose mortgage lending. You can't spend $3 trillion -- yes, $3 trillion -- on a failed war abroad and not feel the pain at home."
 - Linda J. Bilmes and Joseph E. Stiglitz, The Washington Post.

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Posted: 7/5/2012 7:21:04 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:

A conservative, liberal & libertarian walk into a bar -

 

Bartender: Hello Mitt, what can I getcha?

 

Know it's probably old but I haven't been paying much attention lately & thought it was funny & right on. Only lukewarm about Obama, but don't know how anyone could vote for this mushman & go back to the Bush yrs foreign affairs wise...



Droll. The joke was a communist, a marxist, and the president.

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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:05:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Yeah I am still waiting on that Iraqi oil.



LOL you and me both WSC -- then again, looking backwards, it does render all those people protesting "no blood for oil!" as being dead wrong.
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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:33:38 PM
You've posted an old link (2005  Washington Post)  that proves nothing.. absolutely nothing



I posted it as an example that the costs were being included in the deficit while Bush was in office.

Nothing you have posted demonstrates the cost of the war in Iraq was not included in the deficit under Bush.

You made an assertion which is false. Just admit it and move on.

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Posted: 7/5/2012 8:39:08 PM
Claim:
The Bush Administration never included the cost of the Iraq war in the budget .



Fact:

Additional war spending this year will push the federal deficit to a record $427 billion for fiscal 2005

Fact:
Bush was President in 2005

Fact:
War Spending was included in FY 2005 deficit figures

Fact:
The government calculates the deficit by outlays vs revenues included in the federal budget process.

Fact:
The claim is false.


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Posted: 7/5/2012 10:28:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Claim:
The Bush Administration never included the cost of the Iraq war in the budget .



Fact:

Additional war spending this year will push the federal deficit to a record $427 billion for fiscal 2005

Fact:
Bush was President in 2005

Fact:
War Spending was included in FY 2005 deficit figures

Fact:
The government calculates the deficit by outlays vs revenues included in the federal budget process.

Fact:
The claim is false.





The Bush Administration has never presented any long-term plan or budget for the Iraq War.

Supplemental funding request for the wars in Iraq masks the true size of the U.S. defense budget and inhibits congressional oversight

According to the late Robert Byrd after 2006 Budget was presented to Congress

"The president will not tell the American people what the war in Iraq will cost," Byrd said. "By understating the deficits, the American people are being led down a primrose path. That is dishonesty."

since you went back to 2005 ..


Pentagon Plays Games With War Funding Requests

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld readily admits he sent Congress an incomplete budget in seeking $419.3 billion for fiscal year 2006, a 4.8 percent increase.

The administration plans to send lawmakers next week a supplemental budget request for an extra $80 billion to pay for Iraq and Afghanistan in fiscal 2005, which ends Sept. 30, including about $75 billion in spending for the Pentagon.


More info from 2003, 2004, 2005 and ...

LINK


Although Congress "approved an $87 billion defense request last year," Weisman wrote, "the administration has steadfastly maintained that military forces in Iraq will be sufficiently funded until early next year." However, Bush's "budget request for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1 included no money for Iraqi operations, and his budget director, Joshua B. Bolten, said no request would come until January at the earliest." [1]

Unmet funding needs, "including initiatives aimed at providing equipment and weapons for troops in Iraq" which are NOT included in "Bush's $402 billion defense budget for 2005," identified by the military include: [2]

  • Army:
  • $132 million for bolt-on vehicle armor
  • $879 million for combat helmets, silk-weight underwear, boots and other clothing
  • $21.5 million for M249 squad automatic weapons
  • $27 million for ammunition magazines, night sights and ammo packs
  • $956 million for repairing desert-damaged equipment
  • $102 million to replace equipment lost in combat
  • Marine Corps:
  • $40 million for body armor, lightweight helmets and other equipment for "Marines engaged in the global war on terrorism"
  • 1,800 squad automatic weapons
  • 5,400 M4 carbine rifles

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Posted: 7/6/2012 9:29:48 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6DrH6P9OC0

Obama plagiarized the idea from Romney. That is indisputable.

The most contested aspect for Conservatives and the Supreme Court is the "Individual Mandate" where one would  be forced to buy health insurance.  

Romney CREATED the idea and framed it as a 'personal responsibility' doctrine. 

That's GOOD because we all need more personal responsibility!!!

Except when Obama does it.

Obama does the exact same thing and it's Socialism!

Just watch the video for yourself. He doesn't mince words and says it on several occasions, even during debates. 

A video like this should have 60 million views, not 60,000.

Do most people know this? HELL NO. That is why it needs to be said over and over and over in posts like this. People's short-term memories are atrocious.

Well click on the video to see the truth.

It's truly hilarious. So go vote for your 'Socialist'... 

WRONG.. It was not M.Robney's idea. The health care idea came from the Democratic party and Robney stole it to run in Massachusetts. He knew it was the only way to get elected as Governor.

The Dems have been fighting for this since before Medicare in the 1960s. In fact, it was high on Bill and Hilary's agenda but they didn't have the votes in congress to proceed.

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Posted: 7/7/2012 8:57:02 PM
No, its not SOCIALISM, it is fascism.  It is the government using its monopoly on force to mandate that an individual purchase a product from a private entity. collusion of that sort is properly defined as fascism, but the right wing zealots and obama fluffers have never much cared for facts. Roberts ruled the way he did because he is an unabashed corporatist, all one has to do is look at citizens united.I for one am in favor of permanently abolishing the parasitic middlemen who create nothing but profit for their ilk and embracing universal singer payer healthcare like the rest of the enlightened world, and abhor the dangerous precedent of obamacare.  That said, this ruling will actually restrict fluid interpretations of the commerce clause and force any further attempts of this sort to present themselves naked as taxation.
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Posted: 7/12/2012 1:40:42 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ilsp2003:




The Bush Administration has never presented any long-term plan or budget for the Iraq War.

Supplemental funding request for the wars in Iraq masks the true size of the U.S. defense budget and inhibits congressional oversight

According to the late Robert Byrd after 2006 Budget was presented to Congress

"The president will not tell the American people what the war in Iraq will cost," Byrd said. "By understating the deficits, the American people are being led down a primrose path. That is dishonesty."

since you went back to 2005 ..


Pentagon Plays Games With War Funding Requests

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld readily admits he sent Congress an incomplete budget in seeking $419.3 billion for fiscal year 2006, a 4.8 percent increase.

The administration plans to send lawmakers next week a supplemental budget request for an extra $80 billion to pay for Iraq and Afghanistan in fiscal 2005, which ends Sept. 30, including about $75 billion in spending for the Pentagon.


More info from 2003, 2004, 2005 and ...

LINK


Although Congress "approved an $87 billion defense request last year," Weisman wrote, "the administration has steadfastly maintained that military forces in Iraq will be sufficiently funded until early next year." However, Bush's "budget request for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1 included no money for Iraqi operations, and his budget director, Joshua B. Bolten, said no request would come until January at the earliest." [1]

Unmet funding needs, "including initiatives aimed at providing equipment and weapons for troops in Iraq" which are NOT included in "Bush's $402 billion defense budget for 2005," identified by the military include: [2]

  • Army:
  • $132 million for bolt-on vehicle armor
  • $879 million for combat helmets, silk-weight underwear, boots and other clothing
  • $21.5 million for M249 squad automatic weapons
  • $27 million for ammunition magazines, night sights and ammo packs
  • $956 million for repairing desert-damaged equipment
  • $102 million to replace equipment lost in combat
  • Marine Corps:
  • $40 million for body armor, lightweight helmets and other equipment for "Marines engaged in the global war on terrorism"
  • 1,800 squad automatic weapons
  • 5,400 M4 carbine rifles



pretty shocking numbers when you actually see them
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