1. Rewards people that have a good work ethic and lots of ambition.
2. Doesn't reward people that are lazy and have no ambition. Oh..what they are rewarded.
3. Doesn't reward lazy public union members with unsustainable wages and benefits for jobs where there is no requirement for proficiency. Oh wait, they are rewarded too.
For those that are public workers and do a good job 
Any employee that has a supervisor that is overwatch by a supervisor that has the ability to fire them quickly is a super-worker. Anyone that doesn't have incentives to perform and be proficient...not so much.
The greatness of our country was during the 'Grapes of Wrath' times when people had to be creative to get by. Our country's greatness is vastly dwarfed in comparison.
Any employee that has a supervisor that is overwatch by a supervisor that has the ability to fire them quickly is a super-worker. Anyone that doesn't have incentives to perform and be proficient...not so much.
The greatness of our country was during the 'Grapes of Wrath' times when people had to be creative to get by. Our country's greatness is vastly dwarfed in comparison.
A few weeks back I took my kids up to my uncles cabin in Wyoming...about 5 hours away from where I live. He's about 73 years old now.
He has spent the last 20 years adding to the cabin...which is a good 2 hour dirt road drive after the pavement ends...trust me..its way back in BFE.
Over his early working years he was in the Army and worked all over in Colorado, Utah, Wyoming and Idaho. In his late 30's he started a business making custom trailers in a shop that he built behind his house in Oklahoma City.
Eventually that business dried up and he started a small company that built custom Canopy's for convenient stores....that business has done well over the last 30+ years and he has since retired and handed the business over to my cousin and her husband.
Building the canopies is very labor intensive and so he paid pretty well to compensate for the tough work. There is a great deal of travel that goes with the job because they build canopies all over the country.
When I visited him we talked about alot of things around the campfire. One of the things that kinda shocked me is that although he has had alot of good employees...he said he had to hire 10 white guys to find one good solid worker. He said the ratio is 3 to one for hispanic workers.
I don't intend for this to be racial at all but I'm just trying to make a point. Although I have a few african american friends from college and whatnot there really aren't alot here to even have a good statistic.
I happen to be caucasion and was surprised to see that the white guys ratio was so high. The more I thought about it the more sense it made. We have become a very lazy society for the most part and its getting worse not better.
I'm not talking about peoples rights and all that I'm talking about human ingenuity. Talking about people having little handouts to fall back on. People had to work for everything they got..thus they appreciated it more.
When the country's highways and dams and infrastructure was built. Machines were combersome and inefficient.
Surely it would have been better if everyone had equal rights but thats not what I'm talking about.
Nowadays, I see ambulance chaser commercials all day long. XBOX and PS3 rule our kids lives. Our greatness is certainly not now or in the last 20 years.
So you think Americas laziness is at its all time low?
bowl - As I see it, the whole point of your thread, the grapes of wrath reference etc, was to point out that America's greatness was created during a time when people believed in hard work, ambition, self reliance and self determination. The 3 previous posters can't comprehend that concept.
Instead they nit pick your example instead of understanding the overall concept and discussing that.
Wall believes in redistribution through taxation. Take more money away from the evil rich people and give it to the poor, after all those rich greedy bastards stole it from the poor through low wages and charging too much for their stuff and shipping jobs overseas to slash wages even more.
Skil - He is just baiting you.
cd - He will fight anyone that trashes unions even though if he were honest he would recognize how the unions have helped bankrupt industry and govt in this country.
bowl - As I see it, the whole point of your thread, the grapes of wrath reference etc, was to point out that America's greatness was created during a time when people believed in hard work, ambition, self reliance and self determination. The 3 previous posters can't comprehend that concept.
Instead they nit pick your example instead of understanding the overall concept and discussing that.
Wall believes in redistribution through taxation. Take more money away from the evil rich people and give it to the poor, after all those rich greedy bastards stole it from the poor through low wages and charging too much for their stuff and shipping jobs overseas to slash wages even more.
Skil - He is just baiting you.
cd - He will fight anyone that trashes unions even though if he were honest he would recognize how the unions have helped bankrupt industry and govt in this country.
I have been around unions and there performance quotas.........they are set low and if you happen to exceed them you get reprimanded.............seen it with my own eyes
maybe all unions arent like this but thier culture sure breeds this type of enviroment
I have been around unions and there performance quotas.........they are set low and if you happen to exceed them you get reprimanded.............seen it with my own eyes
maybe all unions arent like this but thier culture sure breeds this type of enviroment
Cd firefighters cant have quotas...you shouldnt even have a union that allows you extort more money from the taxpayers. You can't compare to private unions in many ways...you can only compare coffe breaks...thats it.
Cd firefighters cant have quotas...you shouldnt even have a union that allows you extort more money from the taxpayers. You can't compare to private unions in many ways...you can only compare coffe breaks...thats it.
Too bad you keep forgetting that I worked for Alcoa for 15 years before I started in insurance. I would still be there if I hadn't have had the accident that tore the cartilidge up in my wrist. I would have been making 16 bucks an hour. You think insurance is so lucrative but for the first few years you almost starve. Trust me...I earn every penny I make.
I don't need to make a case for unions...the fact that membership has been declining for several years makes my case for me.
Too bad you keep forgetting that I worked for Alcoa for 15 years before I started in insurance. I would still be there if I hadn't have had the accident that tore the cartilidge up in my wrist. I would have been making 16 bucks an hour. You think insurance is so lucrative but for the first few years you almost starve. Trust me...I earn every penny I make.
I don't need to make a case for unions...the fact that membership has been declining for several years makes my case for me.
Start with TORT reform so that you can save doctors a grundel every year.
When I was 12 years old min wage in this country was 3 dollars an hour so you can just stop with that 10/day bullshit. It has been a very long time since American workers made 10/day.
I work for about 7-10% so I earn what I make. People come to me for what they purchase. I don't sell the overpriced stuff so the market acts like a conveyor belt for the smart ones.
Insurance companies are publicly traded so they have stock holders to account for just like most other companies.
Jobs moved overseas because union members mentallity of always wanting more despite the previously mentioned onset of robotics and awakened global competitors.
If you are an independant painting contractor and a competitor comes into your town bidding jobs much less than you are with the same quality...what are your choices?
1. Move somewhere else.
2. Increase your bids and lose even more business to him.
3. Start bidding to compete with him.
4. Become an artist and move to San Franciso.
Your union mentality doesn't allow you to do anything but #2.
Oh, but you will finally concede after the moving trucks have allready been loaded and headed for the freeway on-ramp. At which time you will offer much more concessions in your contract.
Its because they wont work for the same wages people over there will work for. You guys just will never grasp that fact.
Its because they wont work for the same wages people over there will work for. You guys just will never grasp that fact.bla bla bla...same old shit response. From a guy that defends his ponzi scheme funded pension.
Funny how you said that if they paid you more you would sacrifice that pension which is really no concession at all. Nice try to trick us but we are more inteligent than you think.
Cd you never answered my question about your lawn mower boy!
Do you purchase the most expensive of each of the following to encourage those companies to stay here?
Milk
Orange Juice
Apple Juice
Shampoo
Insect repellant
Tampons
Feminin wash
Or do you buy the one that gives you the most bang for your buck?
1. Rewards people that have a good work ethic and lots of ambition.
2. Doesn't reward people that are lazy and have no ambition. Oh..what they are rewarded.
3. Doesn't reward lazy public union members with unsustainable wages and benefits for jobs where there is no requirement for proficiency. Oh wait, they are rewarded too.
For those that are public workers and do a good job
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