So it is proven that pollution is harmful to humans and the soil, environment but we dont think it has effects on the atmosphere and that effecting the atmosphere influences global warming.
A century down the road (if we last that long) people living here are going to call us the most moronic, short sided generation in the history of man.
Any cost involved and conservatives shoot down whatever the idea or theory or cause is (unless it is regarding the military or the right to own guns).
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What a joke.
So it is proven that pollution is harmful to humans and the soil, environment but we dont think it has effects on the atmosphere and that effecting the atmosphere influences global warming.
A century down the road (if we last that long) people living here are going to call us the most moronic, short sided generation in the history of man.
Any cost involved and conservatives shoot down whatever the idea or theory or cause is (unless it is regarding the military or the right to own guns).
Sorry but there is no direct correlation between pollution and global warming. Nobody is advocating pollution. Expert opinion sides against the global warming POWER GRAB at this point. Liberals continue to hide their collective heads in the sand.
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Sorry but there is no direct correlation between pollution and global warming. Nobody is advocating pollution. Expert opinion sides against the global warming POWER GRAB at this point. Liberals continue to hide their collective heads in the sand.
For those that think Al Gore knows what he is talking about, he stated that "down at the center of the earth is is millions of degrees". Competent scientists had stated that it is about 5000 degrees at the center of the earth. He has toilet paper on both sides of his commode because he can't find his butt-hole with just one hand, it takes two hands.
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For those that think Al Gore knows what he is talking about, he stated that "down at the center of the earth is is millions of degrees". Competent scientists had stated that it is about 5000 degrees at the center of the earth. He has toilet paper on both sides of his commode because he can't find his butt-hole with just one hand, it takes two hands.
so you're fine with falsified data is the ends are justified?
Data can be looked and, compiled and manipulated to do whatever the interested party wants.
I dont blindly believe any ONE data set or one conclusion, rather it is what makes SENSE to me and to me the environment, thus the atmosphere is effected by pollution and carbon dioxide. The balance of our ecosystem is very specific and I believe that man has chemically created things which effect our earth, thus the atmosphere.
If the atmosphere is broken down then it effects how the sun radiates to the earth, thus effects the climate and ultimately the temperature of the earth. That makes total sense to me and you can draw parallels on a more simple level which illustrate the point.
I also dont think this is just a one data set conclusion that you can draw..nor do I think we will know exactly what we have done until it goes past the tipping point and it will probably be too late to take proper action.
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
so you're fine with falsified data is the ends are justified?
Data can be looked and, compiled and manipulated to do whatever the interested party wants.
I dont blindly believe any ONE data set or one conclusion, rather it is what makes SENSE to me and to me the environment, thus the atmosphere is effected by pollution and carbon dioxide. The balance of our ecosystem is very specific and I believe that man has chemically created things which effect our earth, thus the atmosphere.
If the atmosphere is broken down then it effects how the sun radiates to the earth, thus effects the climate and ultimately the temperature of the earth. That makes total sense to me and you can draw parallels on a more simple level which illustrate the point.
I also dont think this is just a one data set conclusion that you can draw..nor do I think we will know exactly what we have done until it goes past the tipping point and it will probably be too late to take proper action.
not the debate or issue here...obviously iraq was failed from the start as was afghanistant
the war wasnt about WMD,it was about iraq being a nation who wanted to remove the dollar as the reserve currency and trade oil in euros. 99.9% of americans wouldnt get that
not that i support the war...but i digress
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
If it's good enough for starting the Iraq War....
not the debate or issue here...obviously iraq was failed from the start as was afghanistant
the war wasnt about WMD,it was about iraq being a nation who wanted to remove the dollar as the reserve currency and trade oil in euros. 99.9% of americans wouldnt get that
wall - i dont think anyone knows for sure if global warming is real...or is it climate change now. i forget
we dont know if its man made nor do we know if we can fix it...however, algore the fraud used this data for his movie, his nobel prize, and to push current cap and trade legislation
this data set is a fraud. this data set is the one that's been used to push the hoax
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wall - i dont think anyone knows for sure if global warming is real...or is it climate change now. i forget
we dont know if its man made nor do we know if we can fix it...however, algore the fraud used this data for his movie, his nobel prize, and to push current cap and trade legislation
this data set is a fraud. this data set is the one that's been used to push the hoax
All these tree huggers that believe in man-made global warming crack me up. Forget for a second that there is no proof it even exists. One need only look at Al Gore. When the guy left the white house he had under 5 million dollars. Now he is worth over 100 million dollars. Hmm...
It reminds me of that South Park episode: "What's better that telling people a lie and having them believe you?...Having them pay you for it."
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All these tree huggers that believe in man-made global warming crack me up. Forget for a second that there is no proof it even exists. One need only look at Al Gore. When the guy left the white house he had under 5 million dollars. Now he is worth over 100 million dollars. Hmm...
It reminds me of that South Park episode: "What's better that telling people a lie and having them believe you?...Having them pay you for it."
global warming deniers in many ways remind me of the guy who sits on his tree stump and lights a cigarette to watch the forest fire while calculating how much he might get for all the prime timber
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global warming deniers in many ways remind me of the guy who sits on his tree stump and lights a cigarette to watch the forest fire while calculating how much he might get for all the prime timber
The world is billions of years old. A snapshot of 50 years is shorter than a mili-second when looking at the big picture. This was an obvious scam from the start. Let me ask you this. If global warming is manmade, than why doesn't the highest concentrated industrial areas show obvious signs. To think that the ice melting thousands and thousands of miles away from the "culprit" is actually hilarious. Furthermore, meteorologists can tell the weather 2 days away and I'm we're all supposed to change our way of life because of what they predict 50 years down the line. Sure, find a new scam.
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dabug - wtf?
The world is billions of years old. A snapshot of 50 years is shorter than a mili-second when looking at the big picture. This was an obvious scam from the start. Let me ask you this. If global warming is manmade, than why doesn't the highest concentrated industrial areas show obvious signs. To think that the ice melting thousands and thousands of miles away from the "culprit" is actually hilarious. Furthermore, meteorologists can tell the weather 2 days away and I'm we're all supposed to change our way of life because of what they predict 50 years down the line. Sure, find a new scam.
the problem with this entire debate has been the misuse of terms to explain the phenomena that we are experiencing. People hear the term global warming and think this should mean there needs to be an easily recognizable quantitative rise in temperature everywhere, at all times. In fact its quite the opposite. As greenhouse gases rise and trap near the earth's surface they place pressures on the climate system, weather, leading to climate changes. Weather is what we experience every day, climate is the sum of all weathers over an extended period. Since we experience weather every day gradual change is more often than not so small as to be unnoticed. Climate change however is the accumulative effect of this change.
The fact that the global warming warnings have failed to frame the debate in a way that people can grasp is unsettling. The real danger is quite simply this: the threat posed by increased climate variability is very real. Extreme weather events are not the greatest or most dangerous problem that lies ahead, rather its the subtle shifts in weather patterns which will make traditional growing patterns and crop zones unreliable. Ask any farmer and they will tell you too much rain is every bit as deadly as not enough. Simply put, if a time comes when the crops cant go in the ground do to an extended wet spring, followed by an early winter, no food killer. And if it becomes a chronic yr after yr cycle stresses on the food system spill over to border skirmishes to wars etc as mankind scrambles for the limited food zones that are left.
I dont expect you to except all i am saying, but i do ask u to do a simple exercise some time when u get the chance. Take a look at an atlas or world map, and look at the desert zones. You will notice that there is an upper and lower ring that stretch across the globe. Expand it by 5% then 10% each way and look at how much of what we now consider prime agricultural land disappears. Then ask yourself the question...if, and i say if, those warming of the potential problem are even only partially right what are the likely results of such stresses, % of lost land? U live in arizona and you are fed from Cali, Florida, Kansas etc. But what if the bread basket shrinks by ten percent?
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the problem with this entire debate has been the misuse of terms to explain the phenomena that we are experiencing. People hear the term global warming and think this should mean there needs to be an easily recognizable quantitative rise in temperature everywhere, at all times. In fact its quite the opposite. As greenhouse gases rise and trap near the earth's surface they place pressures on the climate system, weather, leading to climate changes. Weather is what we experience every day, climate is the sum of all weathers over an extended period. Since we experience weather every day gradual change is more often than not so small as to be unnoticed. Climate change however is the accumulative effect of this change.
The fact that the global warming warnings have failed to frame the debate in a way that people can grasp is unsettling. The real danger is quite simply this: the threat posed by increased climate variability is very real. Extreme weather events are not the greatest or most dangerous problem that lies ahead, rather its the subtle shifts in weather patterns which will make traditional growing patterns and crop zones unreliable. Ask any farmer and they will tell you too much rain is every bit as deadly as not enough. Simply put, if a time comes when the crops cant go in the ground do to an extended wet spring, followed by an early winter, no food killer. And if it becomes a chronic yr after yr cycle stresses on the food system spill over to border skirmishes to wars etc as mankind scrambles for the limited food zones that are left.
I dont expect you to except all i am saying, but i do ask u to do a simple exercise some time when u get the chance. Take a look at an atlas or world map, and look at the desert zones. You will notice that there is an upper and lower ring that stretch across the globe. Expand it by 5% then 10% each way and look at how much of what we now consider prime agricultural land disappears. Then ask yourself the question...if, and i say if, those warming of the potential problem are even only partially right what are the likely results of such stresses, % of lost land? U live in arizona and you are fed from Cali, Florida, Kansas etc. But what if the bread basket shrinks by ten percent?
clyde, I believe the world is a big place, I just don't believe all the potential farm land is being used. Certainly, if what you propose would happen it would at least be inconveniencing, however, some solid evidence would have to exist and if it's out there, I believe it would be loud, clear and obvious which I don't think it is. Now these emails don't make it look good. The Madoffs of scientists.
They claim the earth had 2 ice ages. What do you think made it warm up? I know it wasn't industrialized nations. The earth was frozen and it all melted. Could you imagine the cold then warming it would take to do that. I just can't believe we have any control when that's possible all on it's own. Suppose it was getting colder lately, what would they tell you to do (build a fire) LOL.
One more, the world was frozen, now it's warmed to pretty much the artic zones are all the real ice left. It's continuing to go, and now we're going to try to stop this by.....how?
(right turn clyde :)
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clyde, I believe the world is a big place, I just don't believe all the potential farm land is being used. Certainly, if what you propose would happen it would at least be inconveniencing, however, some solid evidence would have to exist and if it's out there, I believe it would be loud, clear and obvious which I don't think it is. Now these emails don't make it look good. The Madoffs of scientists.
They claim the earth had 2 ice ages. What do you think made it warm up? I know it wasn't industrialized nations. The earth was frozen and it all melted. Could you imagine the cold then warming it would take to do that. I just can't believe we have any control when that's possible all on it's own. Suppose it was getting colder lately, what would they tell you to do (build a fire) LOL.
One more, the world was frozen, now it's warmed to pretty much the artic zones are all the real ice left. It's continuing to go, and now we're going to try to stop this by.....how?
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