I'm going to use this thread to post all of my conference tournament futures bets as they become available (5Dimes) and to try and put together previews of some of the tournaments. Not touching "unlined" leagues like the Big South, SWAC, etc as I have not followed those leagues enough to have a feel for the teams. Some of these previews will be longer than others, particularly the A-10 and Mountain West, two of the leagues I've followed most closely this season.
For now, though, let's focus on the first batch of conference tourneys...
Horizon League Chalk usually holds well in the Horizon as the home court advantage in the semis and finals gives the top seeds a big leg up on the rest of the field. Awarding double byes to the top two (Valpo and Cleveland State) is also a big advantage. Though Valpo is the top seed (+105) and will be able to play at home, Cleveland State is the current favorite (-130) due to the presumed return of defensive ace and team leader D'Aundray Brown. It's easy to forget that CSU was ROLLING along at 20-4 (10-2) before Brown went down during the second meeting with Valpo. Brown's return gives CSU four senior starters, an ingredient missing on every other team in the league. The Vikes will likely meet Detroit or Youngstown at home in the semis. On the other side of the bracket, I'd be very surprised to not see Butler and Milwaukee matching up @ Valpo for the right to face the Crusaders. Yes, Butler was soundly beaten just a few nights ago in front of a nationally-televised audience, but it's impossible to count out Brad Stevens and Ronald Nored at this time of year. Regardless, Valpo is in for a dogfight from either potential opponent. Should the top two seeds win their semifinals matchups, CSU would probably be a very small favorite in the championship game. Yes, Valpo has won both meetings this season, but the first game was 36 hours after CSU won @ Hinkle and the second saw Brown go down with an early injury. A third matchup, with both teams at full strength, would make for a tremendous game. The inside-outside balance of Valpo with Broekoff and Van Wijk, combined with an array of sharp-shooters on the perimeter, gives the Crusaders a fighting chance, but ultimately CSU's defensive tenacity and experience probably puts them over the top. Of the three lowest-seeded teams, I actually view 10th seeded Loyola as the most dangerous. First-year coach Porter Moser has kept them in some games they had no busy competing, and having two savvy veterans like Gibler (if he plays) and Averkamp makes the Greyhounds an attractive bet as a DD underdog against underachieving Detroit.
Projected Champ: Cleveland State
Sleeper: Detroit Why not? The Titans are blessed with some incredible athletes, including high-riser Doug Anderson and dominant big man Eli Holman. Sophomore PG Ray McCallum Jr. is a future NBA prospect. They can score with anyone and have the ability to hang around in any venue, but will the tenacity and aggressiveness finally show? Lack of depth hurts, but this is a very dangerous team. The Loyola game will probably be tight most of the way and an early exit is not out of the question.
Best Value: Youngstown State (+3500) The Penguins were one of the most improved teams in the country this season, bursting out of the Horizon League cellar with a 10-8 campaign after last year's 2-16 debacle. They boast one of the league's hottest players in freshman guard Kedrick Perry and a dominant shotblocker in Damian Eargle. Jerry Slocum has been around forever and has a ton of postseason experience from which to draw They lost both games to Green Bay, but I'd be surprised to see the Phoenix win 3 in the same season, especially with this game in Youngstown. A win would put them into a neutral-court quarterfinals matchup with mercurial Detroit. Two wins would give me an awesome hedging opportunity, and this team shoots the ball well enough from the perimeter to make a bit of a run if shots are falling. Too much value to pass up.
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I'm going to use this thread to post all of my conference tournament futures bets as they become available (5Dimes) and to try and put together previews of some of the tournaments. Not touching "unlined" leagues like the Big South, SWAC, etc as I have not followed those leagues enough to have a feel for the teams. Some of these previews will be longer than others, particularly the A-10 and Mountain West, two of the leagues I've followed most closely this season.
For now, though, let's focus on the first batch of conference tourneys...
Horizon League Chalk usually holds well in the Horizon as the home court advantage in the semis and finals gives the top seeds a big leg up on the rest of the field. Awarding double byes to the top two (Valpo and Cleveland State) is also a big advantage. Though Valpo is the top seed (+105) and will be able to play at home, Cleveland State is the current favorite (-130) due to the presumed return of defensive ace and team leader D'Aundray Brown. It's easy to forget that CSU was ROLLING along at 20-4 (10-2) before Brown went down during the second meeting with Valpo. Brown's return gives CSU four senior starters, an ingredient missing on every other team in the league. The Vikes will likely meet Detroit or Youngstown at home in the semis. On the other side of the bracket, I'd be very surprised to not see Butler and Milwaukee matching up @ Valpo for the right to face the Crusaders. Yes, Butler was soundly beaten just a few nights ago in front of a nationally-televised audience, but it's impossible to count out Brad Stevens and Ronald Nored at this time of year. Regardless, Valpo is in for a dogfight from either potential opponent. Should the top two seeds win their semifinals matchups, CSU would probably be a very small favorite in the championship game. Yes, Valpo has won both meetings this season, but the first game was 36 hours after CSU won @ Hinkle and the second saw Brown go down with an early injury. A third matchup, with both teams at full strength, would make for a tremendous game. The inside-outside balance of Valpo with Broekoff and Van Wijk, combined with an array of sharp-shooters on the perimeter, gives the Crusaders a fighting chance, but ultimately CSU's defensive tenacity and experience probably puts them over the top. Of the three lowest-seeded teams, I actually view 10th seeded Loyola as the most dangerous. First-year coach Porter Moser has kept them in some games they had no busy competing, and having two savvy veterans like Gibler (if he plays) and Averkamp makes the Greyhounds an attractive bet as a DD underdog against underachieving Detroit.
Projected Champ: Cleveland State
Sleeper: Detroit Why not? The Titans are blessed with some incredible athletes, including high-riser Doug Anderson and dominant big man Eli Holman. Sophomore PG Ray McCallum Jr. is a future NBA prospect. They can score with anyone and have the ability to hang around in any venue, but will the tenacity and aggressiveness finally show? Lack of depth hurts, but this is a very dangerous team. The Loyola game will probably be tight most of the way and an early exit is not out of the question.
Best Value: Youngstown State (+3500) The Penguins were one of the most improved teams in the country this season, bursting out of the Horizon League cellar with a 10-8 campaign after last year's 2-16 debacle. They boast one of the league's hottest players in freshman guard Kedrick Perry and a dominant shotblocker in Damian Eargle. Jerry Slocum has been around forever and has a ton of postseason experience from which to draw They lost both games to Green Bay, but I'd be surprised to see the Phoenix win 3 in the same season, especially with this game in Youngstown. A win would put them into a neutral-court quarterfinals matchup with mercurial Detroit. Two wins would give me an awesome hedging opportunity, and this team shoots the ball well enough from the perimeter to make a bit of a run if shots are falling. Too much value to pass up.
Ytown St is going to be an underdog in every game probably. Even if they are 40% to win each game (unlikely that it will be that high in at least 3 of the games), that only makes them 2.5% to win the tournament, meaning you need at least 39-1.
I'm not sure I'm crazy about any of the odds on 5dimes, and I think you are better off just parlaying the MLs all the way through. Valpo does play at home through throughout (Semis and Finals anyway), and between them and Cleveland State, it seems close to a toss-up given the home court advantage. (Add to that the fact that Cleveland St. has played poorly of late for whatever reason, and I think I like Valpo more.)
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I like the write-up, thanks for posting.
Couple questions/comments/thoughts:
Ytown St is going to be an underdog in every game probably. Even if they are 40% to win each game (unlikely that it will be that high in at least 3 of the games), that only makes them 2.5% to win the tournament, meaning you need at least 39-1.
I'm not sure I'm crazy about any of the odds on 5dimes, and I think you are better off just parlaying the MLs all the way through. Valpo does play at home through throughout (Semis and Finals anyway), and between them and Cleveland State, it seems close to a toss-up given the home court advantage. (Add to that the fact that Cleveland St. has played poorly of late for whatever reason, and I think I like Valpo more.)
Ytown St is going to be an underdog in every game probably. Even if they are 40% to win each game (unlikely that it will be that high in at least 3 of the games), that only makes them 2.5% to win the tournament, meaning you need at least 39-1.
I'm not sure I'm crazy about any of the odds on 5dimes, and I think you are better off just parlaying the MLs all the way through. Valpo does play at home through throughout (Semis and Finals anyway), and between them and Cleveland State, it seems close to a toss-up given the home court advantage. (Add to that the fact that Cleveland St. has played poorly of late for whatever reason, and I think I like Valpo more.)
Thanks.
-Youngstown is a 2-point favorite tomorrow against Green Bay, meaning I would have to lay -125 or so to take them on the money line. I'd peg them as 6-point dogs to Detroit on a neutral court, which would be approximately +220.
-Cleveland State's slide is 100% attributable to Brown's absence. If he's healthy, which I'm going to presume given that Waters originally estimated 1-2 weeks on February 11th and the Vikings don't play until Friday, CSU is the best team in the league. No disrespect to Valpo - love Bryce Drew and the balance they have, especially with Broekoff.
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Quote Originally Posted by dmmx3:
I like the write-up, thanks for posting.
Couple questions/comments/thoughts:
Ytown St is going to be an underdog in every game probably. Even if they are 40% to win each game (unlikely that it will be that high in at least 3 of the games), that only makes them 2.5% to win the tournament, meaning you need at least 39-1.
I'm not sure I'm crazy about any of the odds on 5dimes, and I think you are better off just parlaying the MLs all the way through. Valpo does play at home through throughout (Semis and Finals anyway), and between them and Cleveland State, it seems close to a toss-up given the home court advantage. (Add to that the fact that Cleveland St. has played poorly of late for whatever reason, and I think I like Valpo more.)
Thanks.
-Youngstown is a 2-point favorite tomorrow against Green Bay, meaning I would have to lay -125 or so to take them on the money line. I'd peg them as 6-point dogs to Detroit on a neutral court, which would be approximately +220.
-Cleveland State's slide is 100% attributable to Brown's absence. If he's healthy, which I'm going to presume given that Waters originally estimated 1-2 weeks on February 11th and the Vikings don't play until Friday, CSU is the best team in the league. No disrespect to Valpo - love Bryce Drew and the balance they have, especially with Broekoff.
Quick thought on Big South (since I think you aren't going to do a write-up on that one):
Coastal Carolina and Campbell have some decent value. UNC-A is probably a coinflip to win the tourney (so -180 is insane), but both CC and Campbell get 1st round byes (and basically 2nd round byes given the teams they will play next - the chance of either of them in Round2 is extremely small.)
UNC-A has a lose-able game v. Chaz Southern, and the winner of CC and Campbell will have the winner of that game. Even if they get UNC-A,
Also, CC gets to host the final should it get there v. Chaz So. At +450 I think there is value there. Campbell at +1000 is decent as well, as they too have a chance of a home-court final.
Good luck, and thanks for posting.
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Quick thought on Big South (since I think you aren't going to do a write-up on that one):
Coastal Carolina and Campbell have some decent value. UNC-A is probably a coinflip to win the tourney (so -180 is insane), but both CC and Campbell get 1st round byes (and basically 2nd round byes given the teams they will play next - the chance of either of them in Round2 is extremely small.)
UNC-A has a lose-able game v. Chaz Southern, and the winner of CC and Campbell will have the winner of that game. Even if they get UNC-A,
Also, CC gets to host the final should it get there v. Chaz So. At +450 I think there is value there. Campbell at +1000 is decent as well, as they too have a chance of a home-court final.
Quick thought on Big South (since I think you aren't going to do a write-up on that one):
Coastal Carolina and Campbell have some decent value. UNC-A is probably a coinflip to win the tourney (so -180 is insane), but both CC and Campbell get 1st round byes (and basically 2nd round byes given the teams they will play next - the chance of either of them in Round2 is extremely small.)
UNC-A has a lose-able game v. Chaz Southern, and the winner of CC and Campbell will have the winner of that game. Even if they get UNC-A,
Also, CC gets to host the final should it get there v. Chaz So. At +450 I think there is value there. Campbell at +1000 is decent as well, as they too have a chance of a home-court final.
Good luck, and thanks for posting.
I agree on the insanity of the -180 price. Asheville is certainly a solid team with a ton of experience, but Coastal has revenge from last year and brings back many of those players. I also wouldn't rule out Charleston Southern giving Asheville some issues in a potential semis matchup.
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Quote Originally Posted by dmmx3:
Quick thought on Big South (since I think you aren't going to do a write-up on that one):
Coastal Carolina and Campbell have some decent value. UNC-A is probably a coinflip to win the tourney (so -180 is insane), but both CC and Campbell get 1st round byes (and basically 2nd round byes given the teams they will play next - the chance of either of them in Round2 is extremely small.)
UNC-A has a lose-able game v. Chaz Southern, and the winner of CC and Campbell will have the winner of that game. Even if they get UNC-A,
Also, CC gets to host the final should it get there v. Chaz So. At +450 I think there is value there. Campbell at +1000 is decent as well, as they too have a chance of a home-court final.
Good luck, and thanks for posting.
I agree on the insanity of the -180 price. Asheville is certainly a solid team with a ton of experience, but Coastal has revenge from last year and brings back many of those players. I also wouldn't rule out Charleston Southern giving Asheville some issues in a potential semis matchup.
-Youngstown is a 2-point favorite tomorrow against Green Bay, meaning I would have to lay -125 or so to take them on the money line. I'd peg them as 6-point dogs to Detroit on a neutral court, which would be approximately +220.
Good call.
If they are -125 in game 1, +220 in game 2, and +300 and +300 in games 3 and 4 (will probably be higher, but to be conservative), a $100 wager, synthetically parlayed via the ML, will net $9116, so about +9000
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Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:
Thanks.
-Youngstown is a 2-point favorite tomorrow against Green Bay, meaning I would have to lay -125 or so to take them on the money line. I'd peg them as 6-point dogs to Detroit on a neutral court, which would be approximately +220.
Good call.
If they are -125 in game 1, +220 in game 2, and +300 and +300 in games 3 and 4 (will probably be higher, but to be conservative), a $100 wager, synthetically parlayed via the ML, will net $9116, so about +9000
I agree on the insanity of the -180 price. Asheville is certainly a solid team with a ton of experience, but Coastal has revenge from last year and brings back many of those players. I also wouldn't rule out Charleston Southern giving Asheville some issues in a potential semis matchup.
Charleston Southern has to get past Liberty first.
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Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:
I agree on the insanity of the -180 price. Asheville is certainly a solid team with a ton of experience, but Coastal has revenge from last year and brings back many of those players. I also wouldn't rule out Charleston Southern giving Asheville some issues in a potential semis matchup.
Charleston Southern has to get past Liberty first.
Disregarding matchups, probably my pick to win it all. Of course, in reality, it is all about matchups, but I love their ability to create second chances, defend in the halfcourt, and score in transition. Having a leader like Draymond Green doesn't hurt, either.
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Quote Originally Posted by Absolutxedge22:
I sure hope you're right about Michigan State.
Disregarding matchups, probably my pick to win it all. Of course, in reality, it is all about matchups, but I love their ability to create second chances, defend in the halfcourt, and score in transition. Having a leader like Draymond Green doesn't hurt, either.
Disregarding matchups, probably my pick to win it all. Of course, in reality, it is all about matchups, but I love their ability to create second chances, defend in the halfcourt, and score in transition. Having a leader like Draymond Green doesn't hurt, either.
, like you said, match-ups are a big part of it though. I try to provide an unbiased opinion, but there's no question, this team has every single ingredient in Izzo's Final Four recipe. I got 33/1 in mid-January and I'm loving it. But we've got 2 full weeks of games to worry about before the Big Dance.
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Quote Originally Posted by JFen31:
Disregarding matchups, probably my pick to win it all. Of course, in reality, it is all about matchups, but I love their ability to create second chances, defend in the halfcourt, and score in transition. Having a leader like Draymond Green doesn't hurt, either.
, like you said, match-ups are a big part of it though. I try to provide an unbiased opinion, but there's no question, this team has every single ingredient in Izzo's Final Four recipe. I got 33/1 in mid-January and I'm loving it. But we've got 2 full weeks of games to worry about before the Big Dance.
Just FYI regarding the Horizon League Tourney: you mention above that Youngstown State lost both times this season to UW-Green Bay. The two teams actually split their regular season matchups, each team winning at home.
1/22/12 - Youngstown State 77 UW-Green Bay 47
2/14/12 - UW-Green Bay 71 Youngstown State 65
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Thanks JFen. Great stuff.
Just FYI regarding the Horizon League Tourney: you mention above that Youngstown State lost both times this season to UW-Green Bay. The two teams actually split their regular season matchups, each team winning at home.
Just FYI regarding the Horizon League Tourney: you mention above that Youngstown State lost both times this season to UW-Green Bay. The two teams actually split their regular season matchups, each team winning at home.
1/22/12 - Youngstown State 77 UW-Green Bay 47
2/14/12 - UW-Green Bay 71 Youngstown State 65
Correct. Oversight on my part.
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Quote Originally Posted by campjenkins:
Thanks JFen. Great stuff.
Just FYI regarding the Horizon League Tourney: you mention above that Youngstown State lost both times this season to UW-Green Bay. The two teams actually split their regular season matchups, each team winning at home.
Ohio Valley Conference Alright, this one is pretty simple. As we all know, Murray State is an overwhelming force relative to the rest of the league and the tournament odds reflect their dominance (-800). But this league has a strange collection of middle-of-the-pack teams capable of giving Murray a run for its money on any given day. The Racers don't blow teams out - their average margin of victory in OVC play (excluding the two non-qualfiers - EIU and UT-Martin) is only 8.3 points per game. For comparison's sake, the '09-'10 team had an 11.9 point margin of victory. This has allowed less talented teams to hang around until end of games. Perhaps no team matches up better with Murray State than does Tennessee Tech, which boasts the 8th most experience in the nation and starts 3 seniors and 2 juniors, all of whom were important contributors on last year's team which reached the OVC final. Tech has a remarkably efficient scorer in Kevin Murphy, who would be conference player of the year if not for the exploits of Isaiah Cannan. They'll have to take out either SEMO or EKU to get another shot at Murray, but I like both prospective matchups. On the bottom half of the bracket, there's probably some value on Austin Peay. It's easy to forget this was the preseason pick to win the league but has grossly underachieved. They picked up a little momentum with three wins to close the season and have a coach in Dave Loos who has coached about two million tournament games. A la Detroit, the talent is there to make a deep run, but an early exit would hardly be surprising.
Projected Champ: Murray State Sleeper: Tennessee Tech (+1600) Best Value: Austin Peay (+3500)
I threw a few bucks on Tenn Tech and still may do so on Peay.
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Ohio Valley Conference Alright, this one is pretty simple. As we all know, Murray State is an overwhelming force relative to the rest of the league and the tournament odds reflect their dominance (-800). But this league has a strange collection of middle-of-the-pack teams capable of giving Murray a run for its money on any given day. The Racers don't blow teams out - their average margin of victory in OVC play (excluding the two non-qualfiers - EIU and UT-Martin) is only 8.3 points per game. For comparison's sake, the '09-'10 team had an 11.9 point margin of victory. This has allowed less talented teams to hang around until end of games. Perhaps no team matches up better with Murray State than does Tennessee Tech, which boasts the 8th most experience in the nation and starts 3 seniors and 2 juniors, all of whom were important contributors on last year's team which reached the OVC final. Tech has a remarkably efficient scorer in Kevin Murphy, who would be conference player of the year if not for the exploits of Isaiah Cannan. They'll have to take out either SEMO or EKU to get another shot at Murray, but I like both prospective matchups. On the bottom half of the bracket, there's probably some value on Austin Peay. It's easy to forget this was the preseason pick to win the league but has grossly underachieved. They picked up a little momentum with three wins to close the season and have a coach in Dave Loos who has coached about two million tournament games. A la Detroit, the talent is there to make a deep run, but an early exit would hardly be surprising.
Projected Champ: Murray State Sleeper: Tennessee Tech (+1600) Best Value: Austin Peay (+3500)
I threw a few bucks on Tenn Tech and still may do so on Peay.
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