I often wonder about the last thoughts the crossed his mind before he put a large bullet hole through his heart despite having a Hall of Fame career and also depiste being in a financially great position with his saved money and pending business deals (restaurants, etc).
We cared for two days and I have heard nothing. I was at the Nats game today and during the rain delay, these two gentlemen near me were talking anout Seau and making fun of him for being mentally weak. Said he could not "deal with the real world." I was with my 3 yr old son so I said nothing and minded my own business. But I was disturbed. When a man makes a decision to take his own life, odds are, he was so alone and in a world most humans have not experienced. You dont just put a bullet into your heart.
I have been in the bottom of the well. I have wondered if suicide was a viable option. This was years ago and before I had my own family but lets stop living in a fantasy world where we think we are a bigger deal than reality. You will live 70-80 yrs and then its over. The pain some people suffer during the course of that time can at times be unbearable. And if they take there own life, shame on there friends and family. Easy to say right?
I had a soldier call me one day in 2006 in Colorado Springs, CO. We had returned from Iraq 42 days prior and it was a tough deployment. Not crazy tough but tough. He called me because I was his superior officer and he explained to me that he bought a car that he could not afford...it was a Mustang. He was drunk when he called me. Oddly enough, so was I.
He mentioned on the cell that if he smashed the car, his insurance would cover it and he would be ok. I remember laughing and telling him it is not that easy. I was an officer. He was a Private First Class. Why was he calling his Lieutenant? I guess perhaps I was too drunk to really think that through. He went on the highway that night with that mustang and hit the median. On purpose? Who knows? He died instantly. His roomate was killed in combat months prior and I still did very little to ensure he was OK.
Next morning, I drive out to the scene. Horrible. The cops and what not had cleaned up most of it but the little that was left felt like hell to me. 20 yrs old he was. Not sure if he killed himself from pain or was just really trying to get rid of his car payment. But I know this...he was a great soldier and did everything I told him for a year. And he reached out to me in a time of need. I wonder who Junior reached out to. Tough to swallow.
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And why he died.
I often wonder about the last thoughts the crossed his mind before he put a large bullet hole through his heart despite having a Hall of Fame career and also depiste being in a financially great position with his saved money and pending business deals (restaurants, etc).
We cared for two days and I have heard nothing. I was at the Nats game today and during the rain delay, these two gentlemen near me were talking anout Seau and making fun of him for being mentally weak. Said he could not "deal with the real world." I was with my 3 yr old son so I said nothing and minded my own business. But I was disturbed. When a man makes a decision to take his own life, odds are, he was so alone and in a world most humans have not experienced. You dont just put a bullet into your heart.
I have been in the bottom of the well. I have wondered if suicide was a viable option. This was years ago and before I had my own family but lets stop living in a fantasy world where we think we are a bigger deal than reality. You will live 70-80 yrs and then its over. The pain some people suffer during the course of that time can at times be unbearable. And if they take there own life, shame on there friends and family. Easy to say right?
I had a soldier call me one day in 2006 in Colorado Springs, CO. We had returned from Iraq 42 days prior and it was a tough deployment. Not crazy tough but tough. He called me because I was his superior officer and he explained to me that he bought a car that he could not afford...it was a Mustang. He was drunk when he called me. Oddly enough, so was I.
He mentioned on the cell that if he smashed the car, his insurance would cover it and he would be ok. I remember laughing and telling him it is not that easy. I was an officer. He was a Private First Class. Why was he calling his Lieutenant? I guess perhaps I was too drunk to really think that through. He went on the highway that night with that mustang and hit the median. On purpose? Who knows? He died instantly. His roomate was killed in combat months prior and I still did very little to ensure he was OK.
Next morning, I drive out to the scene. Horrible. The cops and what not had cleaned up most of it but the little that was left felt like hell to me. 20 yrs old he was. Not sure if he killed himself from pain or was just really trying to get rid of his car payment. But I know this...he was a great soldier and did everything I told him for a year. And he reached out to me in a time of need. I wonder who Junior reached out to. Tough to swallow.
However, I try to avoid negativity in my life. I dont watch the news (except sportscenter). Guess that makes me ignorant of some current events, but does it really matter? I cant control anything outside of my little realm. I cant fix soc sec, taxes, the weather, crimes, wall street bullshit..... Its only bad news and bad things happening to people. I have enough going on in my life between home/family/work. I try to take care of my little corner of the world and hope/expect everyone else to do the same. Bottomline....I dont have the time and basically dont want to think about Seau. It sucks for his family, but I didnt know the man. I just dont have time for it in my life....
Irish
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I agree with everything you said Irish
However, I try to avoid negativity in my life. I dont watch the news (except sportscenter). Guess that makes me ignorant of some current events, but does it really matter? I cant control anything outside of my little realm. I cant fix soc sec, taxes, the weather, crimes, wall street bullshit..... Its only bad news and bad things happening to people. I have enough going on in my life between home/family/work. I try to take care of my little corner of the world and hope/expect everyone else to do the same. Bottomline....I dont have the time and basically dont want to think about Seau. It sucks for his family, but I didnt know the man. I just dont have time for it in my life....
The reasons are complex, but the main one is HE WANTED TOO. Pretty selfish but its his life and he choose to do what he wanted.No one else can be held for what another does in those kind of situations.
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The reasons are complex, but the main one is HE WANTED TOO. Pretty selfish but its his life and he choose to do what he wanted.No one else can be held for what another does in those kind of situations.
Great post, Irish. As someone who's experienced depression and comes from a long line of sufferers, I can relate to you. I've never been suicidal, but my father has. He's a recovering addict and has been in and out of psychiatric hospitals for the better part of a decade. I suffered with it for 7-8 years in my late teens/early 20's. The only reason I didn't seek help was because I was worried that people would judge me and I thought I could beat it myself. I was wrong. I decided to get the help I needed (therapy) and I'm a much better person now because of it.
As far as Junior goes, I definitely agree with what some people have suggested about him being afraid to get help because he was JUNIOR SEAU. The fact is, there's still a stigma attached to mental illness (what you mentioned about those two guys further proves that), and admitting he was suffering from a form of it was something he just couldn't do. So he continued to suffer until he couldn't take it anymore. I don't think what he did was selfish, even though it seems that way. Depression takes a toll on every aspect of a person's life. It's hard to understand the depth of it unless you've dealt with it yourself.
I feel for Junior's family, especially his kids. It's truly a tragedy. I just hope he's in a better place with no more pain.
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Great post, Irish. As someone who's experienced depression and comes from a long line of sufferers, I can relate to you. I've never been suicidal, but my father has. He's a recovering addict and has been in and out of psychiatric hospitals for the better part of a decade. I suffered with it for 7-8 years in my late teens/early 20's. The only reason I didn't seek help was because I was worried that people would judge me and I thought I could beat it myself. I was wrong. I decided to get the help I needed (therapy) and I'm a much better person now because of it.
As far as Junior goes, I definitely agree with what some people have suggested about him being afraid to get help because he was JUNIOR SEAU. The fact is, there's still a stigma attached to mental illness (what you mentioned about those two guys further proves that), and admitting he was suffering from a form of it was something he just couldn't do. So he continued to suffer until he couldn't take it anymore. I don't think what he did was selfish, even though it seems that way. Depression takes a toll on every aspect of a person's life. It's hard to understand the depth of it unless you've dealt with it yourself.
I feel for Junior's family, especially his kids. It's truly a tragedy. I just hope he's in a better place with no more pain.
thank you for this thread just because it has raised some concerns from me as simple as this: Junior Seau = Dave Duerson ? = neurodegenerative disease
imagine getting knocked out in a boxing or mma match and then be cleared to play the next week or 2 let alone a football player who has to come back anytime during that entire football season? And maybe junior seau had a tough chin since it was said he had never had an outstanding concusion in the nfl. I would like to know what happens to guys like wesley "cabbage" correira, Wanderlei Silva, and Chuck Liddell later on in their lives. I'd honestly like to know if Gray Maynards speech gets anymore slower than it already is. We do have Muhammad Ali as it is right now. But then again Bill Romanowski seems intelligent as ever in his life selling those supplements, and we know how hard he always went for the helmet to helmet hits. Who really knows about junior seau
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thank you for this thread just because it has raised some concerns from me as simple as this: Junior Seau = Dave Duerson ? = neurodegenerative disease
imagine getting knocked out in a boxing or mma match and then be cleared to play the next week or 2 let alone a football player who has to come back anytime during that entire football season? And maybe junior seau had a tough chin since it was said he had never had an outstanding concusion in the nfl. I would like to know what happens to guys like wesley "cabbage" correira, Wanderlei Silva, and Chuck Liddell later on in their lives. I'd honestly like to know if Gray Maynards speech gets anymore slower than it already is. We do have Muhammad Ali as it is right now. But then again Bill Romanowski seems intelligent as ever in his life selling those supplements, and we know how hard he always went for the helmet to helmet hits. Who really knows about junior seau
if suicide is the action of the weak, than EVERYONE would be doing, most ppl are to damn scarred of death to do it. LAST: you probably havent truly lived if u havent considered suicide as a viable option.
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if suicide is the action of the weak, than EVERYONE would be doing, most ppl are to damn scarred of death to do it. LAST: you probably havent truly lived if u havent considered suicide as a viable option.
if suicide is the action of the weak, than EVERYONE would be doing, most ppl are to damn scarred of death to do it. LAST: you probably havent truly lived if u havent considered suicide as a viable option.
If suicide is the option you followed through on then you're a bitch. Seau was a fucking shmuck and there isn't much else you can say about it. If you're the religious type then straight to hell he goes. If not then he's a bitch because he's a selfish asshole that is doing his family/friends wrong. I'm ot sure what else you want to say about him, but to feel bad about it is foolishness!!!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by misfit_aka:
if suicide is the action of the weak, than EVERYONE would be doing, most ppl are to damn scarred of death to do it. LAST: you probably havent truly lived if u havent considered suicide as a viable option.
If suicide is the option you followed through on then you're a bitch. Seau was a fucking shmuck and there isn't much else you can say about it. If you're the religious type then straight to hell he goes. If not then he's a bitch because he's a selfish asshole that is doing his family/friends wrong. I'm ot sure what else you want to say about him, but to feel bad about it is foolishness!!!!!
You cannot lement about that private taking his life... if that was the case. It's extremely hard to recognize somebody that is calling for help.
I was once there too... If I could have afforded a gun at the time, I doubt I would be here now. I'm glad I was flat broke at the time. Truth is that I have two wonderful sons and I think if I had a gun it still would be tough to pull that trigger
Way back when I was in HS, I came into my guidance councelor's office before a day at school and she informed me that "Suzy" was found dead in her parent garage the prior evening, she started the car without any intention of leaving. I informed my councelor (while still shocked) that I had a conversation with "Suzy" about a few weeks prior. I recalled that she seemed really down about never seeing her father, and a few other problems at home. My councelor in her brilliance then decided to berate me for not running to authorities and raising a flag. If I were to do that for every "emo" teen I knew, nobody would take any of it seriously.
There is no right or wrong answer to this. It's a tough situation.
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You cannot lement about that private taking his life... if that was the case. It's extremely hard to recognize somebody that is calling for help.
I was once there too... If I could have afforded a gun at the time, I doubt I would be here now. I'm glad I was flat broke at the time. Truth is that I have two wonderful sons and I think if I had a gun it still would be tough to pull that trigger
Way back when I was in HS, I came into my guidance councelor's office before a day at school and she informed me that "Suzy" was found dead in her parent garage the prior evening, she started the car without any intention of leaving. I informed my councelor (while still shocked) that I had a conversation with "Suzy" about a few weeks prior. I recalled that she seemed really down about never seeing her father, and a few other problems at home. My councelor in her brilliance then decided to berate me for not running to authorities and raising a flag. If I were to do that for every "emo" teen I knew, nobody would take any of it seriously.
There is no right or wrong answer to this. It's a tough situation.
If suicide is the option you followed through on then you're a bitch. Seau was a fucking shmuck and there isn't much else you can say about it. If you're the religious type then straight to hell he goes. If not then he's a bitch because he's a selfish asshole that is doing his family/friends wrong. I'm ot sure what else you want to say about him, but to feel bad about it is foolishness!!!!!
Do you truly have a clue what happens when people lose the part of their minds that help them to think clearly about life? I doubt it
Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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Quote Originally Posted by bill702:
If suicide is the option you followed through on then you're a bitch. Seau was a fucking shmuck and there isn't much else you can say about it. If you're the religious type then straight to hell he goes. If not then he's a bitch because he's a selfish asshole that is doing his family/friends wrong. I'm ot sure what else you want to say about him, but to feel bad about it is foolishness!!!!!
Do you truly have a clue what happens when people lose the part of their minds that help them to think clearly about life? I doubt it
It's impossible to get in someone's head to find out why the might do such a thing. Look at Tony Dungy's son. He was religious as the day is long.....as was his father. And supposedly a normal kid...had access to money. People liked him. But he took his own life. Why? How will anyone ever know?
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It's impossible to get in someone's head to find out why the might do such a thing. Look at Tony Dungy's son. He was religious as the day is long.....as was his father. And supposedly a normal kid...had access to money. People liked him. But he took his own life. Why? How will anyone ever know?
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