"We know Zack Greinke can throw a 95 MPH fastball on the corners at will. We know he can throw a 60 MPH curve that will have a batter frozen like a forgotten Tombstone pizza. We know he can throw a slider that will twist a batter up like a State Fair pretzel. We also now now that he can strike out 10 batters a game, throw complete game shutouts, and field his position with the best of them. So, we know Greinke has the physical talent to be the best pitcher in baseball today, and the greatest Royal pitcher of all time. What we don't know is if he has the mental ability to accomplish these things.
Zack Greinke has had the luxury of operating under the anonymity of pitching for the KC Royals for his entire career, as if he was put into the witness protection plan for major league pitchers. Neither he or his team ever did anything to warrant national attention, other than a courtesy mention here, or a casual afterthought there, which is perfect for a guy that suffers from SAD (society anxiety disorder).
Now, suddenly, all of that has changed. Greinke is now that flavor of the month in major league baseball. Everyone is talking about him, and everyone wants a piece of him. The typical professional athlete lives for times like these. They dream of the time when they might be the focal point of attention. They fantasize about their face adorning the cover of national publications. They long for the time when reporters gather around their locker after their last big performance. They imagine how great it would be to perform with 36,000 fans standing and chanting their name. Not Greinke.
Zack Greinke doesn't like attention, no, Zack Greinke hates attention. In fact, Zack Greinke has a mental condition that causes him to react negatively to attention. And up till now he hasn't had to deal with much.
Tonight, everyone in baseball will be following Greinke start. Everyone. Royal fans everywhere, national media, baseball brethen, the casual sports fan, old ladies laid up in nursing homes. Everyone! The Royals may have more media at The K tonight than they have had since the 7th game of the `85 World Series. The crowd will be buzzing with every pitch. Fans in the chep seats will be waiting to put up K's with every Greinke strikeout. The "Baseball Tonight" crew will probably lead with the Greinke story, regardless of the results.
For most egomaniac professional athletes, this would drive and motivate them. But what about Zack? Will he continue to find motivation in the challenges of living up to this new level of expectation? Or will he seek to find refuge from it, as he did 3 years ago? Will he embrace it......or flee from it? Will it take him to a place he has never been before......or a place we hoped he would never return to?
Baseball, more than any other sport, is a game of mental toughness. In no other sport do players suddenly lose their effectiveness because of sudden mental instability. In baseball, all of a sudden 2nd basemen can't make simple throw to 1st base (Steve Sax), catchers can't make simple return throws to their pitchers (Ray Fosse), and pitchers all of a sudden can't find the strikezone with a road map and compass (Kevin Saucier). And it's all mental.
Dealing with success can be as difficult as dealing with failure. Being mediocre is the safest place to be. When Greinke went through the 5 - 17 season in 2005, he decided he didn't like playing major league baseball very much. How much will he like baseball if he goes 17 - 5 in 2009? Just as the opposite of love is apathy, not hate; the opposite of failure is anonymity, not failure. Love and hate are closely related, as are success and failure. So if you struggle with one, there is a reasonable chance that you will struggle with the other.
Throwing 95 MPH fastballs and 60 MPH curveballs on the corners is a rare talent. So is having the concentration to block out all distractions, expectations, attention, adoration, and demands on your time and personal space and perform at a consistently high level as the world watches. We know Zack Greinke has the talent to do one. Tonight we start finding out about his talent to do the other.
One thing for sure. If Zack Greinke continues to perform at the level he has establish in his first 4 starts, he will have to follow the same advice that the great Joe Lewis once gave his opponent; Max Schmeling:
"You can run, but you can't hide"
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"We know Zack Greinke can throw a 95 MPH fastball on the corners at will. We know he can throw a 60 MPH curve that will have a batter frozen like a forgotten Tombstone pizza. We know he can throw a slider that will twist a batter up like a State Fair pretzel. We also now now that he can strike out 10 batters a game, throw complete game shutouts, and field his position with the best of them. So, we know Greinke has the physical talent to be the best pitcher in baseball today, and the greatest Royal pitcher of all time. What we don't know is if he has the mental ability to accomplish these things.
Zack Greinke has had the luxury of operating under the anonymity of pitching for the KC Royals for his entire career, as if he was put into the witness protection plan for major league pitchers. Neither he or his team ever did anything to warrant national attention, other than a courtesy mention here, or a casual afterthought there, which is perfect for a guy that suffers from SAD (society anxiety disorder).
Now, suddenly, all of that has changed. Greinke is now that flavor of the month in major league baseball. Everyone is talking about him, and everyone wants a piece of him. The typical professional athlete lives for times like these. They dream of the time when they might be the focal point of attention. They fantasize about their face adorning the cover of national publications. They long for the time when reporters gather around their locker after their last big performance. They imagine how great it would be to perform with 36,000 fans standing and chanting their name. Not Greinke.
Zack Greinke doesn't like attention, no, Zack Greinke hates attention. In fact, Zack Greinke has a mental condition that causes him to react negatively to attention. And up till now he hasn't had to deal with much.
Tonight, everyone in baseball will be following Greinke start. Everyone. Royal fans everywhere, national media, baseball brethen, the casual sports fan, old ladies laid up in nursing homes. Everyone! The Royals may have more media at The K tonight than they have had since the 7th game of the `85 World Series. The crowd will be buzzing with every pitch. Fans in the chep seats will be waiting to put up K's with every Greinke strikeout. The "Baseball Tonight" crew will probably lead with the Greinke story, regardless of the results.
For most egomaniac professional athletes, this would drive and motivate them. But what about Zack? Will he continue to find motivation in the challenges of living up to this new level of expectation? Or will he seek to find refuge from it, as he did 3 years ago? Will he embrace it......or flee from it? Will it take him to a place he has never been before......or a place we hoped he would never return to?
Baseball, more than any other sport, is a game of mental toughness. In no other sport do players suddenly lose their effectiveness because of sudden mental instability. In baseball, all of a sudden 2nd basemen can't make simple throw to 1st base (Steve Sax), catchers can't make simple return throws to their pitchers (Ray Fosse), and pitchers all of a sudden can't find the strikezone with a road map and compass (Kevin Saucier). And it's all mental.
Dealing with success can be as difficult as dealing with failure. Being mediocre is the safest place to be. When Greinke went through the 5 - 17 season in 2005, he decided he didn't like playing major league baseball very much. How much will he like baseball if he goes 17 - 5 in 2009? Just as the opposite of love is apathy, not hate; the opposite of failure is anonymity, not failure. Love and hate are closely related, as are success and failure. So if you struggle with one, there is a reasonable chance that you will struggle with the other.
Throwing 95 MPH fastballs and 60 MPH curveballs on the corners is a rare talent. So is having the concentration to block out all distractions, expectations, attention, adoration, and demands on your time and personal space and perform at a consistently high level as the world watches. We know Zack Greinke has the talent to do one. Tonight we start finding out about his talent to do the other.
One thing for sure. If Zack Greinke continues to perform at the level he has establish in his first 4 starts, he will have to follow the same advice that the great Joe Lewis once gave his opponent; Max Schmeling:
Hitters will have to get him early in the game. He's too focused after the first 2 innings. Like the description of his pitching. The talk about his anxiety is just nitpicking and petty. He's not a machine, that's all.
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Hitters will have to get him early in the game. He's too focused after the first 2 innings. Like the description of his pitching. The talk about his anxiety is just nitpicking and petty. He's not a machine, that's all.
Hitters will have to get him early in the game. He's too focused after the first 2 innings. Like the description of his pitching. The talk about his anxiety is just nitpicking and petty. He's not a machine, that's all.
nitpicking? no. He really does have social anxiety disorder.
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Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeCarlin:
Hitters will have to get him early in the game. He's too focused after the first 2 innings. Like the description of his pitching. The talk about his anxiety is just nitpicking and petty. He's not a machine, that's all.
nitpicking? no. He really does have social anxiety disorder.
Man if he has a social anxiety disorder how is he gonna pitch for the mighty bosox or the bronx bombers someday...sssh what a waste! Cause you know those teams gonna want him when he becomes a free agent.
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Man if he has a social anxiety disorder how is he gonna pitch for the mighty bosox or the bronx bombers someday...sssh what a waste! Cause you know those teams gonna want him when he becomes a free agent.
Whatever. How can anyone predict or even bother to predict that with more 'social attention' he will perform worse? Hasn't stopped him to this point, has it?
I'd rather have a Greinke with S.A.D. than a 'well adjusted' socialite like, errrr...Adam Eaton.
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Whatever. How can anyone predict or even bother to predict that with more 'social attention' he will perform worse? Hasn't stopped him to this point, has it?
I'd rather have a Greinke with S.A.D. than a 'well adjusted' socialite like, errrr...Adam Eaton.
He does have the disorder but also took 2 years away from baseball to get better...the correct therapy and this is something that people can overcome....lets give him the benefit of the doubt and by the looks of it...his true potential is now being shown from when he was coming out of high school...
It seems like he is having fun playing baseball again..something he admits he lost and one of the main reasons he left baseball.
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He does have the disorder but also took 2 years away from baseball to get better...the correct therapy and this is something that people can overcome....lets give him the benefit of the doubt and by the looks of it...his true potential is now being shown from when he was coming out of high school...
It seems like he is having fun playing baseball again..something he admits he lost and one of the main reasons he left baseball.
He is 5-0 with a 0.50 ERA. Without question he has had the most dominating start in the majors this year. Will he cool off at some point, obviously yes. Will it be because he has a mental health disorder or maybe, just maybe, things even out over time and he has a normal human outing......
- GL with whatever you go with on the games today. Perceived value with the White Sux at +173 with Colon, but what value is there when ZG is this .
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He is 5-0 with a 0.50 ERA. Without question he has had the most dominating start in the majors this year. Will he cool off at some point, obviously yes. Will it be because he has a mental health disorder or maybe, just maybe, things even out over time and he has a normal human outing......
- GL with whatever you go with on the games today. Perceived value with the White Sux at +173 with Colon, but what value is there when ZG is this .
Man if he has a social anxiety disorder how is he gonna pitch for the mighty bosox or the bronx bombers someday...sssh what a waste! Cause you know those teams gonna want him when he becomes a free agent.
I believe he signed a long term deal with KC in the off-season.....probably for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread.
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Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:
Man if he has a social anxiety disorder how is he gonna pitch for the mighty bosox or the bronx bombers someday...sssh what a waste! Cause you know those teams gonna want him when he becomes a free agent.
I believe he signed a long term deal with KC in the off-season.....probably for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread.
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