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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:49:15 AM
What a complete douche.  It's time for the players to rise up and tell this moron they want to get a deal done.  He works for them and I know there are plenty of players who want to get back on the ice.  

C'mon, players.  Kick this guy in the teeth and get this thing going.  
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Posted: 12/7/2012 1:33:05 PM
I agree. I, personally, know players that want to play that may never get another contract. One friend just bought a house and he literally can't get his unemployed brother out of it!

These guys are stressing out!

The Problem is the politics of the big contract boys who do Think they are Gods gift to Earth and are never wrong! Erik Cole, Shane Doan, Brad Richards, etc. they hold all the clout.

I, guarantee you that if the owners last proposal went to a vote, we would be playing hockey right now.

Don Fehr simply wants to push and push then come out with a "win" for the players. He has no thought of the long term damage and ill feelings he's conjuring among fans!
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Posted: 12/7/2012 2:34:23 PM

Ya I guess that the Players should take pay cuts when the Leagues revenue increased from $2 billion to $3 billion under the last contract.

and don't tell me about "teams losing money" like the Coyotes, Panthers, ect. IF Bettman had allowed these losers to move to Canadian markets, they would probably BE profitable. these teams should have never been formed in the first place

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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:08:49 PM
This is the logic that players have wrong, rink.

This isn't about right and wrong! It never should be! This is business! Ken Dryden has a great article out at the globe and mail. I suggest that you read it. 2004 is playing with these guys minds! 

3 billion dollar business wasn't a 3 billion industry in 2004! If the players want to continually live in the past go ahead. But remember, you can't pick and choose Ur facts. That's the union's big problem. Like the NHL said, this is a package solution not I like this and not that.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:35:26 PM
I am  and would be the first to state that I am pretty simple but why does it seem I am the only one who cant quite figure how the owners are going to "die on this hill" regarding length of contracts.  How many over that were given out this summer?  Fu&K ratboy and fu#k Fehr but it is beyond me that anyone could think this is on the players to back down.  I hope they both get fired at the end of this but know that isnt going to happen, I mean just look at ratboys track record.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:39:57 PM
The whole process last year, making 4 conferences and the PA led by Fehr, waiving off the whole idea. I knew this season was done when Fehr tries to use anything at all as a bargaining chip. This guy must be a real pleasure at the dinner table! Pass me the salt, honey..what salt? Yet, the same guy that had the players strike in 1994 canceling the world series without a CBA! This guy, a baseball guy, challenges the owners will to play a hockey season. Unbelievable.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 1:25:22 AM
If Bettman allowed Florida and Phoenix to move to Canadian cities? Like another team in TO or Quebec city? If you think the Leafs and Habs wan't another team in their province your as delusional as Fehr is. The teams that do make money is because of tv deals, not gate revenues. This is why the nfl is so rich, saw a lot of empty seats in Miami when they hosted the Seahawks a few weeks ago, turn on a nba game somewhere not LA or NY, alot of empty seats in Memphis. The mlb knows this as well and is why the Dodgers and Angels are throwing money around. There is no big money tv deals on the horizon for St.Louis, Anahiem, San Jose, ect. Most sports fans are quite contempt to sit at home and watch games on their big screen hd  tv's rather than darn around with $20 parking and $7 beers and $5 bags of popcorn.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 3:23:14 PM

 I am the only one who cant quite figure how the owners are going to "die on this hill" regarding length of contracts

that is one part of the owners demands that I agree with. these ridiculous long contracts that are "front loaded" early and then pay next to nothing in the late years are nothing but a fraud designed to circumvent the salary cap.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 4:54:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

 I am the only one who cant quite figure how the owners are going to "die on this hill" regarding length of contracts

that is one part of the owners demands that I agree with. these ridiculous long contracts that are "front loaded" early and then pay next to nothing in the late years are nothing but a fraud designed to circumvent the salary cap.

Who gives these stupid contracts out?  Are the GMs not held accountable by the owner? 
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Posted: 12/8/2012 4:58:37 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by benhogan76:

Who gives these stupid contracts out?  Are the GMs not held accountable by the owner? 
I dont disagree that these type of contracts are a huge issue but the league is basically saying we are morons save us from ourselves. 
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Posted: 12/8/2012 5:59:53 PM
If you think back 10 or maybe 15 years ago, the gm's used to refuse players salary demands resulting in players holdouts.
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Posted: 12/8/2012 11:12:22 PM
Only reason the league is now a 3 billion dollar industry is due in part to the canadian dollar and how about 70 percent of revenue is brought in by cdn teams. wat happens when and if us dollar rises again to 20 percent or even greater??? All but 2 cdn teams struggle to stay a float. all these players complain about teams being in no hockey markets yet its the first place they want  to play, prime example is shane doan and dany heatly  
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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:37:53 AM
I'm convinced Bettman has morphed into Vince Mcmahon. Did you see that acting job at the press conference? Where's stone cold when you need him?
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Posted: 12/9/2012 10:55:30 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

What a complete douche.  It's time for the players to rise up and tell this moron they want to get a deal done.  He works for them and I know there are plenty of players who want to get back on the ice.  

C'mon, players.  Kick this guy in the teeth and get this thing going.  
Dont believe what you see and hear man.  This is all posturing.  Fehr and the players are both on the same page and so is napoleon and the owners.  Did you really expect a multi-billion dollar contract to be hashed out by the players and owners while they drink and sing by the campfire?  Cmon man!!  The PA and owners already have a contract drafted up, but first comes a game of chicken to see who can take the extra "fat" that is up for grabs.  I loved the Oscar performance by the midget appearing to be angry and disappointed that the players/owners meeting proved unfruitful.  He tried to make it seem like the players agreed on a contract, but that Fehr turned it downRiiiigggghhtt gary, the 18 yr olds agreed to the billionaire's contract behind Fehr's back ahahaha.  The unfortunate part to all this is that we will have hockey in the new year, whereas i was hoping that the NHL would go straight down the shitterPS the Wild get into the playoffs and have an opportunity to win it all.  Surprising to all who do not know the  NHL (National Hoodwink League)
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:13:50 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Flutiemaniac341:

The whole process last year, making 4 conferences and the PA led by Fehr, waiving off the whole idea. I knew this season was done when Fehr tries to use anything at all as a bargaining chip. This guy must be a real pleasure at the dinner table! Pass me the salt, honey..what salt? Yet, the same guy that had the players strike in 1994 canceling the world series without a CBA! This guy, a baseball guy, challenges the owners will to play a hockey season. Unbelievable.

Great article from a Predators blogger.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=24
So if YOU made your employer historically high profits and they came to you and asked for a salary, bonus and benefits reduction,  what would you say?  Your annual salary will be down from 50k to 40k...sick days reduced to 10 from 14 and bonus structure to 3% from 5%.  I can see you dancing right now.  Its not like the NHL has ASKED the players to reduce salary and benefits and the league would UP the profit share percentage!!  The owners or should i say gary (the real leader) have demanded cuts cuts cuts and more cuts.  There is nothing in this for their "partners"..the players.  Yourself, along with the vast majority in here that i've been reading seem to live in the 1930's.  Things have changed man.  On a sidenote: If there's a LOCKOUT (not strike) by the commissioner everytime the CBA expires, isn't that a sign of a poorly drafted contract.  So why are the players to take any blame in all this.  The previous contract was drafted and STRONG-ARMED by GARY and forced on the players.  So now the players are to blame for all this.  The players gave into the league's EVERY DEMAND FFS!! 
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Posted: 12/9/2012 11:15:22 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

 I am the only one who cant quite figure how the owners are going to "die on this hill" regarding length of contracts

that is one part of the owners demands that I agree with. these ridiculous long contracts that are "front loaded" early and then pay next to nothing in the late years are nothing but a fraud designed to circumvent the salary cap.

The "circumvention" was invented by gary's real close buddy...lou lamoriello
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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:11:15 PM
What historic profits? Revenues and profits are two entirely different things, you don't think the expenses rose at allmost the same rate? Who pays for the travel and lodging expenses? For both the players, coaches, trainers and scouts. I wonder how many employes are on a typical nhl teams payroll? How much tax does a team pay both to the province/state and federal? I wonder what the revenue numbers are minus the Leafs, Habs and Rangers? I'm willing to guess those 3 teams account for $15 mil of last years salary cap, at least.

  As a Leafs fan are you not pissed at the fact the Leafs are the richest team in the league but are among the worst in the league and haven't made the playoffs in damn near 10 years?

 What do you make about the fact the Stars,Islanders,Blue Jackets and Coyotes are the biggest money losing teams in the league but are among the top 20 largest cities in the US? Where would Canadian teams be right now if the loonie wasn't at par with the US dollar?

 While I do think Butthead deserves to be fired mostly on the fact that more than half of the owners he represents lose money and a few have even went bankrupt I've just come to the conclusion that there's little interest in pro hockey outside Canada and the NE states. Relocating won't solve anything unless the next cba is a little more owner friendly,, if San Jose can fill the rink and not make a profit I don't see how Seattle could or any other city that's been suggested.
  
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Posted: 12/10/2012 12:07:53 PM

Bottom line guys, its Dec. 12th and still we await with baited breath for an outcome. Too much BS for me. What started as a  hint to maybe a possibility at the end of last season has now manifested itself into this bullshit. As a long, long, long, long time fan I am about to bolt to a new sport. 

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Posted: 12/10/2012 11:56:07 PM
There are always exceptions to a rule.

The leafs and Coyotes should be eliminated from the conservation.
The league has too many teams losing money! 
If "the partners" really think the NHL is lying. Start Ur own league or better yet try and buy an NHL team.

There's a question, if u were a billionaire, would you buy a team in the NHL that won't be situated in Toronto, Montreal or New York..?

People will laugh in Ur face if you say yes!

LanceLogan is right. Expenses are going up, we have a fiscal cliff coming up in the USA, the Canadian dollar isn't going to stay this strong forever!

The league needs an ironclad deal!

The players circumvent every question and Don Fehr continues to "negotiate" instead of trying to "partner" with the league.

I was all the way with the nfl players with the conflict last year. The NHL side of things, the players have it good and they deserve it. That doesn't mean they deserve whatever they think they are worth! I don't understand any of these arguments. 

How is a 10 year CBA bad when u say the owners try and screw u at the end of the CBA every time!
5 year contract limits and 7 year terms in the same organisation are that terrible when 6% of the NHL had contracts of 6 years or more..

The league I believe got swept up in the optimism and the moderates on the owner side forced their way into Gary's head to a sweetheart deal for the players where they get all the money and no risk. 

It's the easiest thing in the world to say no, to say I like my way better instead of saying that the other is right and that's fair.
Fehr took negotiating to flat out, hostage taking!

I think the owners feel the same way that the players have from the start of this lockout! Fehr just soured all the moderates and I really believe the owners have taken this personally and no longer want to front teams losing money. All the while feeding the pockets of people supporting Fehr.

I think the deal is definitely off the table.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 12:11:12 AM
I think most of these owners did not get into the NHL for the business side. No one wants to make such a huge gamble for very little upside financially.
Owning an NHL team is a luxury, a neat toy.

Fehr is alienating a lot of owners.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 12:38:38 AM
The funny part about this. Don Fehr and the union rejected the realignment issue that would ignite with Winnipeg.

So if there is a shortened season. Conference play will be eliminated and the Winnipeg Jets will have to play a lot of games in their own division traveling to Miami, Tampa Bay, Carolina and Washington.

All thanks to the "partners" of the NHL, the Don Fehr led NHLPA.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:26:46 AM
That's funny because ive heard that the players would've negotiated a deal long time ago if it werent for gary and his poor tactics.  I think Chelios is still looking to kill him.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:01:47 PM
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That's funny because ive heard that the players would've negotiated a deal long time ago if it werent for gary and his poor tactics.  I think Chelios is still looking to kill him.

chris was terrific the last time out! he would have taken out gary, and then went after his family! we need more chrises!  how we doing mr danger? long time my friend!

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Posted: 12/11/2012 11:17:58 PM
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chris was terrific the last time out! he would have taken out gary, and then went after his family! we need more chrises!  how we doing mr danger? long time my friend!

20 years ago today, the NHL made bettman the commissioner and hockey went to the crapper.  How fitting that theres NO HOCKEY on his anniversary... I heard the puck will drop Jan.1st, but who knows what will happen with these dummies arguing over nonsense.  Lockout or hockey potvin, looking forward to the Isles and loafs playing hard but ultimately share the basement.
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Posted: 12/12/2012 11:23:18 AM
There is plenty of blame to go around, but I think D. Fehr is more concerned with making a name for himself than he is about the hockey players AS A WHOLE.

As flutie has said, this approach will prevent MANY players from even having a career in the NHL.  The owners have moved quite a bit.  Fehr is not going to get everything he is asking for.  That's why it's called a "negotiation."  
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