PLAYOFF SEEDING....WHAT A JOKE

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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:27:47 PM
CURRENT SYSTEM SUCKS

EAST
#1 - Rangers 107 
#2 - Boston 94
#3 - Florida 90
#4 - Pittsburgh 102
#5 Philadelphia 98
#6 - New Jersey 94
#7 - Ottawa 88
#8 - Washington 86


Now I understand that if you win your division you should get into the playoffs I agree with that. But just because your division was weak and you were the best team I don't think you should get home ice advantage. For example in the East you have Boston and Florida but you also have three teams ranked below them but that have more or equal points than both of these teams. I think if your division is weak you should for sure get in but not be in the top 3 seeds. garbage the two highest seeded teams are only 2 and 4 points away from Florida who gets home ice advantage...doesn't make much sense

The West has much of the same so there is really no reason to go into detail about the teams and all that. Just wanted to know how you guys felt about it? I mean if you have a week conference and you win I don't think that justifies giving that team home ice advantage if another division is stacked.

I know this is pretty obvious but it's just my opinion







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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:33:30 PM
The system robs us of seeing more of great teams and players as it goes along. One of Pitt or Philly will be gone with all that high flying talent while we will be stuck with one of either the plodding devils or panthers instead in the next round. Not too mention, who in their right mind outside of Jersey or Florida will be watching that atrocity of a playoff series between those two in the first round.

The set up is not good in many ways.
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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:36:14 PM

 

The NHL have never been knowed for Logic   

25-30 years ago

16 teams out of 21  made the playoff 

 after a long 82games season  

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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:42:46 PM
IT SHOULD BE 

#1 - Rangers 107 
#2 - Pittsburgh 102
#3 Philadelphia 98
#4 - Boston 94
#5 - New Jersey 94
#6 - Florida 90
#7 - Ottawa 88
#8 - Washington 86


I say if there is a tie in pints between a division leader and a normal conference team in a seed it goes to the division winner but that would be the only time. Note why I put Boston ahead of NJ even though they have the same number of points. And Florida will of course be in but not necessarily getting home ice advantage 
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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:54:32 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HookEmHorns22:

IT SHOULD BE 

#1 - Rangers 107 
#2 - Pittsburgh 102
#3 Philadelphia 98
#4 - Boston 94
#5 - New Jersey 94
#6 - Florida 90
#7 - Ottawa 88
#8 - Washington 86


I say if there is a tie in pints between a division leader and a normal conference team in a seed it goes to the division winner but that would be the only time. Note why I put Boston ahead of NJ even though they have the same number of points. And Florida will of course be in but not necessarily getting home ice advantage 

I agree...based off of that I see the Rangers, Penguins, and Flyers all advancing.

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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:55:06 PM
I started the same thread last night

The seeding is bad but the goddamn point system is worse. Dallas and COlorado are in battels with teams that havent even won 1/2 their games but pile up points by taking longer to lose

The Panthers are a complete friggin joke..having said that I cant wait to play them in round 1
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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:55:46 PM
BTW if you think the Devils are plodding you havent seen a f'n second of them play this season
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:07:03 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by NJDevils:

BTW if you think the Devils are plodding you havent seen a f'n second of them play this season

I didn't say that. I was making a comment that the whole thing is a joke. Plus it doesn't matter how a team plays during the season playoff hockey is totally different. Some of these high flying scoring teams will switch it up and look completely different in the playoffs which is why the Cup Playoffs are the best playoff system ever...well as far as the games go. The seeding obviously needs some work
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:12:03 AM
I don't like the seeding they're using for next year either.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:12:35 AM
I have seen a ton of their games as they are in my teams division. I am a big fan of Parise and Elias and enjoy watching them and Sykora and Zajac are ok. Kovalchuk is entertaining both because he can dazzle with the puck but just as much because he is a brutal turnover machine that is too lazy to even go after a player he has handed the puck too which is funny to watch. Besides those guys...F'N plodding players and system. They have the lowest goals for of any playoff team in the east next to ofcourse Florida. They play some good technical hockey and being a hockey player and lover I appreciate that, however they are not an exciting team to watch on most nights.

We all see things differently, just as you will always see the Flyers as a dirty cheap shot team no matter how many high skill finesse guys they stack on their roster.

We all see things differently and have our own views and opinions on what we are seeing.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:13:29 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HookEmHorns22:


I didn't say that. I was making a comment that the whole thing is a joke. Plus it doesn't matter how a team plays during the season playoff hockey is totally different. Some of these high flying scoring teams will switch it up and look completely different in the playoffs which is why the Cup Playoffs are the best playoff system ever...well as far as the games go. The seeding obviously needs some work
That was meant for me Horns.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:13:52 AM

NBA has a great seedings system- Division winner gets a seed no worse than 4th place.  However, if the 5th seed has more wins (points in NHL case) than the 4th seed, the 5th seed gets the home advantage.  Also seeds 1 through 4 are ranked by record.

So you'd see

1. NY

2. Pitt

3. Boston

4. Florida

5. Philly (home ice over Florida)

6. NJ

This system usually works really well.  It's rare that three teams in 1 division have more points than 2 division leaders, but the way the NBA does it is the best alternative IMO.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:16:09 AM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by Absolutxedge22:

I don't like the seeding they're using for next year either.

Ya I like the new regular season divisions format for the season sched, but I really don't like how it'll be similar playoff teams playing again and again it sucks

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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:20:40 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mtbaker:

NBA has a great seedings system- Division winner gets a seed no worse than 4th place.  However, if the 5th seed has more wins (points in NHL case) than the 4th seed, the 5th seed gets the home advantage.  Also seeds 1 through 4 are ranked by record.

So you'd see

1. NY

2. Pitt

3. Boston

4. Florida

5. Philly (home ice over Florida)

6. NJ

This system usually works really well.  It's rare that three teams in 1 division have more points than 2 division leaders, but the way the NBA does it is the best alternative IMO.


I like that 
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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:44:48 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HookEmHorns22:


I didn't say that. I was making a comment that the whole thing is a joke. Plus it doesn't matter how a team plays during the season playoff hockey is totally different. Some of these high flying scoring teams will switch it up and look completely different in the playoffs which is why the Cup Playoffs are the best playoff system ever...well as far as the games go. The seeding obviously needs some work


You didnt say it someone else did. Ill admit it isnt fair that the Devils hopefully will draw the shittiest team in the East in round 1 but thats the dopey system

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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:46:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

I have seen a ton of their games as they are in my teams division. I am a big fan of Parise and Elias and enjoy watching them and Sykora and Zajac are ok. Kovalchuk is entertaining both because he can dazzle with the puck but just as much because he is a brutal turnover machine that is too lazy to even go after a player he has handed the puck too which is funny to watch. Besides those guys...F'N plodding players and system. They have the lowest goals for of any playoff team in the east next to ofcourse Florida. They play some good technical hockey and being a hockey player and lover I appreciate that, however they are not an exciting team to watch on most nights.

We all see things differently, just as you will always see the Flyers as a dirty cheap shot team no matter how many high skill finesse guys they stack on their roster.

We all see things differently and have our own views and opinions on what we are seeing.


RInaldo is a cheap shot machine. Flyers are good though
Kovalchuk turns the puck over a TON. theres a reason the Devils have allowed the most SHG in the league

Devils are more exciting to watch than the Rangers who trap more than the Devils ever did
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Posted: 3/31/2012 2:16:19 AM
Florida will be out the first round.  They be a 3rd seed underdog that I'll gladly bet against
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Posted: 3/31/2012 6:21:46 AM
Agree with you completely on the entire writeup there HookEm. However best be careful that Cambypee99 doesn't rattle your cage for unnecessary postings.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 8:22:08 AM
I agree and it makes more sense to seed them by their points...With that said, If you are not good enough to win a certain 7 game series regardless who you play and or seed you play, then you are not worthy of winning the conference.. O.k. so New Jersey has a better chance of advancing but when/if they get knocked out in the 2nd round would getting a lucky draw with Florida in the 1st round matter anymore?
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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:01:43 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by NJDevils:



RInaldo is a cheap shot machine. Flyers are good though
Kovalchuk turns the puck over a TON. theres a reason the Devils have allowed the most SHG in the league

Devils are more exciting to watch than the Rangers who trap more than the Devils ever did

Hahaha.  The Devils INVENTED the boring trap game under Lemaire - and they used it for YEARS.  To say that the Rangers in one season trap more than the Devils ever did is the statement of a homer who can't admit the many failings of his own team in terms of being THE most boring team in the NHL in the last 25 years.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:12:07 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by stopweeping:

I agree and it makes more sense to seed them by their points...With that said, If you are not good enough to win a certain 7 game series regardless who you play and or seed you play, then you are not worthy of winning the conference.. O.k. so New Jersey has a better chance of advancing but when/if they get knocked out in the 2nd round would getting a lucky draw with Florida in the 1st round matter anymore?
It will matter to the players who lose out on cash, and their team that does not get all that money from the extra gate revenues while a more undeserving team and group of players does get paid.

 As a fan it does matter to me because yes I would like to see my team go as far as they can, and see more playoff games involving them even if they don't win the Cup. It also affects the entire tournament because if Jersey can sweep Florida or take it in 5 games while Pitt/Philly or whoever beat the crap out of each other in an emotional 7 game series then yes it does affect those teams later in the tournament. The advantage of those first series could give the Devils enough of an edge to take say Pitt to 7 games before losing.

I can't recall the exact stat but there is something out there about no team ever winning the cup after playing in either 2 or 3 straight 7 game series so yes it certainly matters.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:06:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by stopweeping:

I agree and it makes more sense to seed them by their points...With that said, If you are not good enough to win a certain 7 game series regardless who you play and or seed you play, then you are not worthy of winning the conference.. O.k. so New Jersey has a better chance of advancing but when/if they get knocked out in the 2nd round would getting a lucky draw with Florida in the 1st round matter anymore?

I'm not talking anything about the Devils. But honestly who wants to see Pens Flyers knock each other out in the first round while the Devils get the Panthers. That's not good for the NHL. Teams like Philly and Pitt should go deep into the playoffs after a great season. Not have one of the teams out in the first round 
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:14:36 PM
I agree the Seeding is some BS, but if a team is good enough to go the distance shouldn't matter if they get a top seed. Sucks PHI/PIT match up but it is what it is. Glad to see the Panthers back in the playoffs. They need the extra cash 
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:14:39 PM

I wonder if this thread will turn into a pissing contest about which conference is better... just like the one I posted about the same topic... We'll see who shows up to start that contest.

...should happen anytime now.

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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:23:10 PM
Ill do it :)

I sure hope the Caps dont finish 3rd now that would suck
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