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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:15:24 PM
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:17:05 PM
Story here http://www.thewindyapple.com/2012/03/14/mike-dantoni-resigns/
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:17:26 PM
Damn you beat me too it.  About time that bum resigned,lol.  Damn quitter.

Be gone D'Antoni.  Stephen A. Smith called it, he said this dude wouldn't make it til next week.  Then now he resigns.  Wow...
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:18:55 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:

Damn you beat me too it.  About time that bum resigned,lol.  Damn quitter.

Be gone D'Antoni.  Stephen A. Smith called it, he said this dude wouldn't make it til next week.  Then now he resigns.  Wow...

Stephen A. Smith is the truth!
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:19:00 PM
Wow, so do you guys think the Knicks can turn this around with a new coach?
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:21:46 PM
I don't think it's about the coaching really. GM really messed things up with the Anthony trade, they traded away quite a few good young players, and the chemistry was great. The Knicks have not been the same since.
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:22:00 PM
Now all Knicks need to trade Carmelo
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:22:40 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by goeb:

I don't think it's about the coaching really. GM really messed things up with the Anthony trade, they traded away quite a few good young players, and the chemistry was great. The Knicks have not been the same since.
Carmelo or lin, one of them have to go
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:26:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Navi:

Carmelo or lin, one of them have to go


Can't get rid of Melo man, lol.  They gave away too much to trade Melo now.  Plus how far you gonna get with no superstar?  Cause Amare by himself ain't gonna get it done.
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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:42:11 PM
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Can't get rid of Melo man, lol.  They gave away too much to trade Melo now.  Plus how far you gonna get with no superstar?  Cause Amare by himself ain't gonna get it done.

Melo is the BIG problem were ever he goes. I dont get it... guy does nothing for a team but score. And does it with poor shotting. Just another player that gets way too much hype because of his PPG. He is posion on a team. They were doing fine until he came back, then they start losing AGAIN with melo and someone had to take the fall.

Look at Denver. No melo and its a team. Who wants to play with a poor shooting ball and edia hog that does not play team ball. Seen so many of this type go through the league and no one ever calls them out on ESPN. Especially if the Coach is white and the player black... Well then its, support the player at all cause !

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Posted: 3/14/2012 3:54:53 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Pipe-Light:

Melo is the BIG problem were ever he goes. I dont get it... guy does nothing for a team but score. And does it with poor shotting. Just another player that gets way too much hype because of his PPG. He is posion on a team. They were doing fine until he came back, then they start losing AGAIN with melo and someone had to take the fall.

Look at Denver. No melo and its a team. Who wants to play with a poor shooting ball and edia hog that does not play team ball. Seen so many of this type go through the league and no one ever calls them out on ESPN. Especially if the Coach is white and the player black... Well then its, support the player at all cause !




When Denver reaches the Western Conference Finals, let me know.  Cause they got there with Melo, haven't gotten out the first round of the playoffs since he left.  Just sayin..  That's a fact.
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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:02:39 PM

That was one time and when he was hungry. THose days are gone. Its about Magazine ads, lookin good with wife in arm, TV appearances and scoring 30 ppg- damned the team !

They have a great team personel wise. But as soon as he came back shooting his 40% blah blah and no D at all, its all down hill... Again, he is another MCGrady.... A few more teams, another big contract or two and he is done. Having made 200 million and squeeked into the conf. finals when he gave it all (one time)

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Actually they just hit on it on ESPN. 24 point differential in effic. vs melo on and off of court. Melo was suppose to buy into De'anto coaching style at the begininng of the year. Remember that all you heard. He needed to buy in, play some D-Fence, yadada... They even added a huge piece in the middle to help on D, but he did squat !
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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:09:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Pipe-Light:

Actually they just hit on it on ESPN. 24 point differential in effic. vs melo on and off of court. Melo was suppose to buy into De'anto coaching style at the begininng of the year. Remember that all you heard. He needed to buy in, play some D-Fence, yadada... They even added a huge piece in the middle to help on D, but he did squat !


Nah dude, the coach is supposed to change his system if it's not working.  The the mark of a great coach.  if the garbage ain't workin, then change it.  now the coach is gone, see ya.  he never won garbage anyways, with out Nash.  darn that dude

And even with Nash, he didn't get to the NBA finals.
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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:11:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:

Damn you beat me too it.  About time that bum resigned,lol.  Damn quitter.

Be gone D'Antoni.  Stephen A. Smith called it, he said this dude wouldn't make it til next week.  Then now he resigns.  Wow...


he knew he aint going anywhere with amare and mello!


the players werent going anywhere!


im happy for him he left.



now if only Lin would be so smart as to be able to leave!

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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:15:04 PM
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he knew he aint going anywhere with amare and mello!


the players werent going anywhere!


im happy for him he left.



now if only Lin would be so smart as to be able to leave!



Man the Knicks have been behind for a while now.  They got bad management.  You get 1 superstar, not 2 superstars that play almost the same position.  This team just sucks, lol.  I say get rid of Amare, keep Melo and build around that.
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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:26:35 PM
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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:32:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by goeb:

I don't think it's about the coaching really. GM really messed things up with the Anthony trade, they traded away quite a few good young players, and the chemistry was great. The Knicks have not been the same since.

Yup.  Anthony can't be the best player on a championship team.  You can't run any sort of motion offense with him because he hogs the ball.  
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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:36:13 PM
d'antoni is doing a great job of tweeting right now!
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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:59:28 PM
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Yup.  Anthony can't be the best player on a championship team.  You can't run any sort of motion offense with him because he hogs the ball.  

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Posted: 3/14/2012 6:19:51 PM
knicks have been shi!@#$t for 15+ years, so i guess it;'s d'antoni and all the prior coaches fault, not the bad, gutless, and lazy players they continue to bring in.  ownership, and upper management just as responsible.
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Posted: 3/14/2012 6:31:47 PM
all of this is still Dolan/Isiahs fault......cant get out from under that cloud filled with their collective garbage
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Posted: 3/14/2012 6:39:43 PM

This is a great article......Melo and D'Antoni both to blame...

After a remarkable Jeremy Lin-led run that made them the toast of the NBA, the Knicks have lost 8 of their past 10 games. There's plenty of blame to go around, but while some within the organization are questioning superstar Carmelo Anthony, most of the fingers are being pointed at coach Mike D'Antoni, according to several sources close to the situation.

D'Antoni, hailed as an offensive genius during his successful tenure in Phoenix, has lost the Knicks' locker room, the sources say.

"The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."

D'Antoni is in the last year of a four-year deal and all indications are that he will not be brought back after this season -- assuming he survives the rest of this season. The Knicks are expected to make a run at Phil Jackson, who retired from the Lakers last year with 11 NBA titles.

But the Knicks, losers of six straight, still have 24 games left to get through this year, and according to numerous sources close to the team, the reeling club is as dysfunctional in the locker room as it is on the court.

In addition to questioning D'Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.

It is lost on no one that the Knicks' free-fall coincides precisely with the return of Anthony. While Anthony was out with a groin injury, the Knicks won 6 of 7 games, including victories over the Los Angeles Lakers and defending champion Dallas Mavericks. With Lin leading D'Antoni's offense, the Knicks played fast and free, spacing the floor, hitting the open man, and even improving defensively.

But the day Anthony returned, the Knicks lost to the struggling New Jersey Nets, starting a sorry stretch that has washed away all the feel-good emotions of Lin's emergence and left them on the verge of missing the playoffs.

Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.

"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."

When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball upcourt and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.

"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.

Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.

"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."

With Anthony sapping the energy from the offense, the players often lose their incentive to play defense. But even when he's trying to play defense, Amare Stoudemire struggles. Having spent almost his entire career in D'Antoni's non-defensive system, Stoudemire has trouble making defensive reads and rotations. Anthony knows what to do defensively, but simply refuses to do it consistently, the sources said.

Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.

Now, the players believe they need a coach who will hold players, especially the stars like Anthony and Stoudemire, accountable, the sources said. They do not believe D'Antoni is willing or able to do it.

On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin's backup. Davis, averaging just 17 minutes a game, has already spoken to D'Antoni about giving him more playing time, according to the sources. While Lin wants to run D'Antoni's system, Davis is more in line with running the offense through Anthony and Stoudemire, the sources said.

"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

 

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