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Author:	[Mixed Martial Arts] Topic: Whats your sonnen-silva line?
keven vanlith	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 1218 Location:	#1 Posted: 10/11/2011 12:17:32 AM Last time it was around -400 to 450 My guess is -285 based on their last fight and this men playing with boys type domination for sonnen vs a good opp. on sat. night. Beating him in the same way he dominated silva, until the miracle late.
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EricLinny	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 4770 Location: United States	#2 Posted: 10/11/2011 1:37:59 AM who cares it's not even close to being official.
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sirchadwick1	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Bodog \|
Prospect Joined: May 2010 Posts: 264 Location:	#3 Posted: 10/13/2011 5:48:27 PM A lot of people care. Dana White wants this fight to happen asap and he knows the fans want it just as bad. I'm actually going in on Sonnen in this one and was on Anderson the first time. Think he'll bring in the same gritty gameplan w/out making the same mistake. Sonnen +160 Silva -200
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EricLinny	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 4770 Location: United States	#4 Posted: 10/14/2011 1:19:37 AM If someone started a "what if" thread everyday, this forum would be a cluster darn like most of COVERS.
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EricLinny	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 4770 Location: United States	#5 Posted: 10/14/2011 1:20:34 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by sirchadwick1: A lot of people care. Dana White wants this fight to happen asap and he knows the fans want it just as bad. I'm actually going in on Sonnen in this one and was on Anderson the first time. Think he'll bring in the same gritty gameplan w/out making the same mistake. Sonnen +160 Silva -200 You are nuts if you think Anderson will be -200 in my opinion
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EricLinny	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 4770 Location: United States	#6 Posted: 10/14/2011 1:21:22 AM But then again, who knows? The fight isnt even official so they could fight a few years from now. So it's kinda pointless to make up lines
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sirchadwick1	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Bodog \|
Prospect Joined: May 2010 Posts: 264 Location:	#7 Posted: 10/14/2011 7:06:23 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by EricLinny: You are nuts if you think Anderson will be -200 in my opinion Since you seem to be the definitive answer around here, I'd like to hear your input. And if I'm nuts saying Anderson may be around -200.... why is that? You can't argue without making valid points. Silva was dominated in 4 out of 5 rounds in their last fight on the ground. He even lost a good part of the standup exchanges. I had my $$$ on Anderson and watched with my jaw on the floor. Since Chael has been so sub-prone and Anderson came out the victor and is still undefeated in the UFC, I believe he will be the favorite again... but not near as heavily as last time. This is the perfect opportunity to pounce on Chael at + money when it happens. You're crazy to think this fight won't happen soon. It's definitely not going to happen 3 years down the road dude. Superbowl weekend would be huge! And why is it that you think it's pointless to make up lines? That is how bettors make educated bets. You're selling yourself short if you don't create your own lines before they are released. It's all about finding value and making the right bets.
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boberts427	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 4906 Location: United States	#8 Posted: 10/14/2011 6:53:25 PM -280 spider
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frank the tank	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 5587 Location:	#9 Posted: 10/14/2011 10:18:42 PM I think it'll hit the -300 range..have to account for the fact that Sonnen was on something and Anderson Silva had injured ribs. anyone that doesn't believe that is crazy. Looked like Silva couldn't even put his hands up to block. Anyways Sonnen would still be a good underdog pick.
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TheCrow	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 7525 Location: California	#10 Posted: 10/16/2011 4:04:30 AM I am a firm believer that anderson's reign as champion will come to an end if he ends up fighting sonnen. I was not fully convinced of chael until i saw what he did against brian stann. let me tell you that he will have to do the same EXACT gameplan that he did vs brian stann when he fights anderson again, get in his face, and chael will get his bell rung charging in like that. But chael can take some shots, he has a great chin, and i think his jiu jitsu defense or lack there-of in his past fights should be fixed for the most part. He'll just keep moving around, grounding and pounding, getting an elbow or 2 in as best he can and stay out of triangles. He'll be able to do this for each and every single round just like he did at ufc 117. After thinking about it for a while, he'll be able to use his wrestling the same way.
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AncientEnemy	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 8 Location: Texas	#11 Posted: 10/16/2011 4:12:05 AM I would never count Anderson Silva out, especially over someone he finished already. However I can see Chael succeeding in laying on him for 5 rounds without getting finished, but it's not a sure thing. Take into account that Anderson had a bruised rib, that affected his performance. But this fight is far from official. I'd lay money on the underdog. I have no idea what the lines would be. Pretty close to even.
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akatdrake	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 201 Location:	#12 Posted: 10/17/2011 3:51:38 AM I'm not sure where Vegas will place the line but I think anything under -300 is a gift for Spider backers... Silva knows he was out-wrestled and was very close to losing that fight. Everyone with any knowledge of MMA knows that Chael Sonnen has the "best" chance of dethroning the champion... however, it won't be enough. Silva is much like GSP in that they know how they fight, how others fight, and use their advantages to win the fights. Some fighters are intelligent, put in a good gameplan, but don't have the skills to execute. Some fighters have the skills, but lack a gameplan or the script to stick to it. Both Anderson and GSP know their weaknesses, know their opponent's strengths, and REFUSE to allow you to dictate the fight. My guess is Anderson took Sonnen lightly in the first fight, but rest-assured he won't let it happen again. I'd have to imagine all of the smack-talk Sonnen has been doing to not only Anderson, but Wanderlei, Nogueira bros, etc... is motivation enough to shut Sonnen up. Remember when everyone thought Belfort/Silva was going to be a good fight? Silva pulls something out of his behind that completely surprises everyone and wins the fight quickly. I think this happens again. I do not see Anderson being beaten in the UFC - this coming from someone who hates the cocky nature of the sport. The unfortunate thing from a betting perspective is while -300 would be great odds and a definitely parlay filler, Anderson is such a big name, and Vegas will inflate those odds. I'd be looking at the Silva by KO prop instead.
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jonnyg4508	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Rookie Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 507 Location:	#13 Posted: 10/17/2011 2:21:24 PM If he doesn't KO Sonnen, I don't see Sonnen lasting 5 rounds of wrestling him again. He will get submitted sooner. Not sure what took Silva so long the first time.
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sawman	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 3071 Location: Alberta	#14 Posted: 10/17/2011 2:43:08 PM if Spider is any more than -250, I think I'll take Sonnen. He takes EVERYONE down with such ease, I don't know why he wouldn't do it again. He proved it again with Stann. Everyone knew what he was going to do, yet he put him on his back within seconds after the bell. I think Spider's only chance is a sub while on his back
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MoneyShot	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
MVP Joined: May 2003 Posts: 16382 Location: Canada	#15 Posted: 10/19/2011 12:53:38 PM I think for sure Anderson will be at the very least -250 at pinnacle and will probably be -300 at most books.... I had money (small) on chael last match and chael did an amazing job obviously but i think anderson will be better prepared this time and he will be 100%. Anderson hates chael so we know that he is motivated to beat chael.... Both fighters are awesome to watch, and i love Chaels trash talking. He is one of my favorite fighters and entertaining/funny as a WWE guy but he is a top MMA fighter at the same time and can back up his talk. I cant wait for this fight!!!!!
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sirchadwick1	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Bodog \|
Prospect Joined: May 2010 Posts: 264 Location:	#16 Posted: 10/19/2011 4:18:42 PM Don't forget the Trilogy theory... Chael wins this one and it sets up a huge rubber match!
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MoneyShot	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
MVP Joined: May 2003 Posts: 16382 Location: Canada	#17 Posted: 10/23/2011 12:52:56 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by sirchadwick1: Don't forget the Trilogy theory... Chael wins this one and it sets up a huge rubber match! With spider, motivation has been an issue at times, you never knew if he was going to take a fight seriously or train hard because he has so much talent to rely on and he knows he can destroy people w/o having to be 100% committed. Against Chael, we will see a 100% motivated Silva. He will train mad hard and will bring in wrestlers all training camp long to try and prevent the take downs.. Saying all that, i hope chael wins and beats the spider but damn, it wont be easy...
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jalayn2	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Banned Joined: May 2009 Posts: 100 Location:	#18 Posted: 10/23/2011 9:31:12 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by akatdrake: anything under -300 is a gift for Spider backers...
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esprague	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetOnline.ag \|
Banned Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 622 Location: Massachusetts	#19 Posted: 10/24/2011 6:21:14 PM I'm sure silva will be -260 or so...i wish it was higher...i'm def taking Sonnen...i don't see any way he doens't get him down repeatedly...just don't get triangled this time, donkey, haha
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Marky_Mark13	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: bet365 \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1024 Location: Ontario	#20 Posted: 10/25/2011 8:53:24 PM -380 sonnen.....he will convince the judges to give him a decision victory.... but no joke, sonnen may do to silva what he did to stann, and thats smother him until he gives up!!
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sharpstick	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: M Resort \|
Captain Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 7773 Location: Nevada	#21 Posted: 11/1/2011 2:43:12 PM -240 Silva just came out on Bookmaker yesterday.
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sawman	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 3071 Location: Alberta	#22 Posted: 11/1/2011 3:35:31 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by sharpstick: -240 Silva just came out on Bookmaker yesterday. How ya Leanin' on this one, Sharp? It's tough to go against that wrestling. I'm sure Spider will have a better plan for his standup though
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esprague	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetOnline.ag \|
Banned Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 622 Location: Massachusetts	#23 Posted: 11/1/2011 6:14:46 PM this fight is definitely worth throwing some down on sonnen. No one has ever been able to stop Sonnen's take-downs...and las ttime I checked Silva isn't the best wrestler. If it were only three rounds I'd like Sonnen more, but here's hoping he doesn't get caught in a submission for 5 rounds...
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sirchadwick1	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Bodog \|
Prospect Joined: May 2010 Posts: 264 Location:	#24 Posted: 11/2/2011 5:56:43 PM It's going to be funny when Sonnen actually catches Anderson in a sub this time around. Wonder what the line would be on that....
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jalayn2	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Banned Joined: May 2009 Posts: 100 Location:	#25 Posted: 11/4/2011 4:39:30 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by sirchadwick1: It's going to be funny when Sonnen actually catches Anderson in a sub this time around. Wonder what the line would be on that.... Saying an undefeated fighter will lose is even funnier
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