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#1 Posted: 8/7/2012 1:47:53 AM
Weeden what he showed me playing against a group of horrible defensive teams in the big 12 with a receiver as talented as blackmon was not that impressive. .
The Browns drafted him high and because he's 28 their thinking he's mature and its his time
i question weeden arm strenght ? he threw a lot of Quick short slants against bad defenses . never saw anything great as far as his arm .
The browns think they have the next Andy Dalton the only simularity will be the Red Hair
I think Cleveland is good Fade team this year even with the high spreads .
Philly looking good to me in week 1 - 9
caution lets see how pre season goes
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#2 Posted: 8/7/2012 1:58:50 AM |
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#3 Posted: 8/7/2012 2:45:12 AM |
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#4 Posted: 8/7/2012 2:00:50 PM
People don’t realize how close the Browns are to being a good team. The special teams are solid with a good kicker. The defense is solid. They only gave up an average of 19 points a game last season. The running back position is locked now with Richardson. The O-line is solid. The receiving core is average. The tight ends have potential to break out this season.
With the addition of Brandon Weeden, who reminds me of former Browns QB, Brian Sipe, and all the tools surrounding him. The Browns have the potential to actually compete this year. The Browns averaged 14 points a game last season, so if Richardson and Weeden can just give them an extra 7 points a game.
They could actually upset a lot of teams this year. They challenged every team in the AFC north to the final whistle last season. The math says the Browns finish 6-10. Only because of a strong division and tough schedule but they should be in every game this year. I have them being blown out by the Eagles on a ticket already, but after that, If they have no key injuries, I think I might be taking the points on a few of their games.
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#5 Posted: 8/7/2012 6:18:50 PM
with the NFL scouts because Weeden is new its like the flavor of the month with these QBs in the end it will turn out that Mcoy is actually better , and there is no talent in cleveland they are not close Mcoy got killed last year the team is horrible
put Mcoy on new england with their weak schedule and they go 13-3 the same record as Brady
Mcoy would be a good ball control system QB like brady with 83% 0-10 yd passes and all these so called experts and chills for the NFL would look stupid.
and all the people that will say thats crazy think of Matt Casell starting for the patriots going 11-5 and not having played since high school being
being in a horrible divison and weak schedule its not all that hard being a QB in New England
But back to WEEDEN lets see how he is in preseason, i think this guys going to suck big time in the NFL lets see if he starts week 1dont be suprised if his starting role is short lived .
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#6 Posted: 8/7/2012 8:02:31 PM |
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#7 Posted: 8/7/2012 10:45:31 PM You think Weeden is a downgrade from McCoy???
like Jerry said....2nd best QB in the draft.
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#8 Posted: 8/7/2012 11:02:14 PM
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#9 Posted: 8/7/2012 11:02:48 PM
And McCoy, he’s not even Rex Grossman, I wouldn’t even want him as my back up QB. McCoy would give the Patriots the same record as Brady does? It’s hard to take you as a serious football enthusiast after that. HA! People have no idea that the Browns have one of the best o-lines in football and this year, if they play healthy, they should rank in the top 10 for sure and maybe even the top five.
The Browns play is the same division as the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals and the Browns lost by an average of 8 points a game last year and gave up only an average of 19 points a game. How does that suck? McCoy sucks. The offense is the problem and McCoy couldn’t get an average receiving core over the hump.
The defense is pretty damn good and they have one of the best kickers in the league. The o-line is built for success. If Weeden and Richardson pan out, no big injuries, and everything comes together this season. The Browns will be a number one, big time, wide receiver away from competing for a playoff position with the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals.
When I think of McCoy… JP Losman and Ty Detmer come to mind.
When I think of Weeden… Brian Sipe and Matt Schaub come to mind.
That is a huge improvement.
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#10 Posted: 8/7/2012 11:25:33 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by JerryWrasse:
Weeden went that high because he can play. Second best qb in the draft. If he's 23 he would have been in argument to go no. 1. In no possible way is he a downgrade from colt mccoy. Colt isnt remotely close to being a pro-caliber qb. Just my opinion.
1 Do we have to go threw a long list of high QB draft picks that were big busts ?
2 he hasn't played a down in the NFL stop comparing him to NFL QBs
3 watched a lot of his games at Ok state lot of short quick throws never impressed me with arm.
4 ever see the DEF of Iowa state kansas texas tech they are horrible, there is no D in big 12
5 what weeden did in the big 12 means nothing , has yet proved he can play in the NFL
Lets see what he does in pre season and lets see how many games this guy starts this year . he could be the first starter to be replaced. |
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#11 Posted: 8/7/2012 11:45:06 PM |
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#12 Posted: 8/7/2012 11:47:15 PM
i know Mcoy was good enough to make enough plays to beat the patriots 2 years ago ,
the point being Mcoy has won games in the NFLwith a bad team with very little help.
Do you know that Weeden can win games with bad team ? i doubt it .
i can see this team not winning any games with him at QB .
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#13 Posted: 8/8/2012 12:48:45 AM
You’re delusional, any team that can hang with the Bengals, Texans, 49ers, Steelers, and Ravens isn’t a bad team. When the offense is struggling, it’s up to the QB to make plays. McCoy couldn’t get the job done, period.
They were bringing 8 and 9 in the box and McCoy still couldn’t get the ball in the receivers hands with an o-line. I believe Greg Little, Mohamed Massaquoi, and Josh Cribbs can play in this league.
The Browns don't have a star reciever but still should be able to compete. I think they can beat the Steelers and Bengals if Weeden and Richardson play up to there potential.
garbage, I wouldn’t be surprised if they finished 7-9 and were this years surprise team after the beating the eagles will give them to start the season.
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#14 Posted: 8/8/2012 1:03:16 AM
the season win total at the greek is 5.5 the under is -155 and that bet is an easy winner
, i don't bet these , don't see value in waiting 4 months to collect
i think the browns will be hard pressed to win any games this year . no clue no chance .
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#15 Posted: 8/8/2012 2:44:17 AM
Week 1 Philadelphia Eagles
Week 2 @ Cincinnati Bengals
Week 3 Buffalo Bills
Week 4 @Baltimore Ravens
Week 5 @ New York Giants
Week 6 Cincinnati Bengals
Week 7 @ Indianapolis Colts
Week 8 San Diego Chargers
Week 9 Baltimore Ravens
Week 10 Bye
Week 11 @ Dallas Cowboys
Week 12 Pittsburgh Steelers
Week 13 @ Oakland Raiders
Week 14 Kansas City Chiefs
Week 15 Washington Redskins
Week 16 @ Denver Broncos
Week 17 @ Pittsburgh Steelers
I can see them beating the Bills, Colts, Chargers, Ravens at home, Cowboys, Raiders, Chiefs, Redskins, Broncos and the Bengals and Steelers possibly both times. The Giants and Eagles are the only two teams that will probably blowout the Browns. Every other team they should be able to hang with.
 Sorry for using the word delusional, maybe that was a little harsh. I’m not willing to bet on the Browns winning more than 5 just yet. My gut says 5 or more easily, but I still have to see how they look first. The problem with the Browns is they have no depth. Once a starter goes down that’s it.
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#16 Posted: 8/8/2012 2:57:49 AM
delusional is OK i call people delusional all the time its all in fun
so lets see who is right
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#17 Posted: 8/8/2012 5:00:52 AM So much for picking a 28 year old QB from the big 12 in the first round great job Holmgren
List of 1st round QB’s that failed (order selected)
1. JaMarcus Russell – 1st
2. Rick Mirer – 1st
3. Tim Couch – 1st
4. David Carr – 1st
5. Joey Harrington – 3rd
6. Ryan Leaf – 2nd
7. Akili Smith – 3rd
8. David klinger – 6th
9. Todd Blackledge – 7th
10. Matt Leinhart – 10th
11. Kyle Boller – 19th
12. JP Lossman – 22nd
13. Patrick Ramsey – 30th
14. Heath Schuler – 30th
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#18 Posted: 8/8/2012 10:31:29 AM Question his arm strength? 
He played for the new york yankees as a pitcher you do know this correct?
I think he gonna flop too but sounds to me like your just anti-weeden |
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#19 Posted: 8/8/2012 10:58:08 AM he pitched in as many major league game as you ZERO
Back in 2002, Weeden was drafted in the second round of the MLB Draft by the Yankees. It was their first selection of the draft. Following the 2003 season, the Yankees dealt him, Jeff Weaver and Yhency Brazobanto the Dodgers for Kevin Brown. He would stay with the Dodgers until 2005, when the Royals selected him in the Rule-5 Draft. Weeden quit baseball after the 2006 season, as injuries and a high ERA led to his demise. Throughout his minor league career, Weeden never played above High-A ball (with the Royals). He posted a career ERA of 5.02 and a record of 19-26. |
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#20 Posted: 8/8/2012 11:19:56 AM |
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#21 Posted: 8/8/2012 11:56:30 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by MYSTICRICH: So much for picking a 28 year old QB from the big 12 in the first round great job Holmgren
List of 1st round QB’s that failed (order selected)
1. JaMarcus Russell – 1st
2. Rick Mirer – 1st
3. Tim Couch – 1st
4. David Carr – 1st
5. Joey Harrington – 3rd
6. Ryan Leaf – 2nd
7. Akili Smith – 3rd
8. David klinger – 6th
9. Todd Blackledge – 7th
10. Matt Leinhart – 10th
11. Kyle Boller – 19th
12. JP Lossman – 22nd
13. Patrick Ramsey – 30th
14. Heath Schuler – 30th
Don't forget Cade McNown....12th pick in 1999.  '
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#23 Posted: 8/8/2012 2:55:25 PM
Weeden has real world experience, so he is not a kid anymore, and that shows mental toughness. He’s 6-4 over 220 pounds, 28 years old, well educated, field general, can throw 97 MPH, over 70 percent completion rate, accurate, great pocket presence, and can fit the ball in tight windows. Damn if he fails it will be a damn shame, because he has all the tools you look for in a quarterback.
Weeden has a bunch of number two wide receiver’s, prospect TE’s, an offensive-line, a starting running back with a decent back up, high ranked defense, strong special teams, and a veteran head coach. I’m going to be shocked if Weeden doesn’t get the job done and isn’t the starter for the Browns for years to come. I can’t see any similarities to those quarterbacks listed at all.
However, like Cduff said, it is 50/50 when it comes to finding NFL QB's.
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#24 Posted: 8/8/2012 5:25:39 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by CDuff311:
I'm not quite sure why your making such a big deal over this. It's not like your going out on a limb here. He's got about a 50/50 shot of flopping. If he is a flop, good for you. If he was a top 5-10 pick I'd say I like your opinion but this isn't that huge of a deal. I too am afraid of gingers but he's seems pretty cool and seems like a good fit for Cleveland.
hey there has been only 1 preseason game not that much going on but when a 4-12 team names a rookie starter who i think will suck its a team that i will go against wagering early,.that is if he does go on and start the regular season
i don't think this team has any direction or clue fron the GM to the coach and Holmgren srewed up seattle for years now he's working his magic here. |
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#25 Posted: 8/8/2012 5:52:39 PM
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