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Posted: 3/10/2012 10:17:09 PM
Colts on the wrong side this time, Repeat of when Manning and Leaf were drafted, this time colts on the wrong side of the street, RG3 better will be a better pro, than knee braces Luck.  Phil Simms is right i just dont see NFL qualtiy throws.  Why is luck such a sure fire 1st pick, Looked good as a juniour throwing 25 yard flag patterns to the corner on  play action rollout? but other than that, He not 6 3, and reminds me of a broke sam bradford, The Pac 10 was really weak this year, Can see that kid from Arkansas as a better pro than luck, Just my thought, Not a colt fan, But I remember when Manning came out of Tennese, He looked the the real deal, not some smuck named luck, with his daddies pedigree, When the last time a quaterback came out of the pac 10 in the first ten picks that was a Franachise quaterback? Carson Palmer? Maybe,  Not Matt Lienhart, Not Leaf, Only one comes to mind is Elway, Noway this kid is even close to the moxy elway had..
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Posted: 3/10/2012 10:38:32 PM
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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:00:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RemiMartin:

Time will tell my friend



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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:21:21 PM
Phil simms  also said rodgers would be a bustPhil simms could tell me the sky is blue and i'd go check.also luck played in the pac-12. Are you one of those rg3 jock sniffers? Luck will be just fine and i wish him the best this year except against the packers
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Posted: 3/11/2012 12:01:40 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RemiMartin:

Colts on the wrong side this time, Repeat of when Manning and Leaf were drafted, this time colts on the wrong side of the street, RG3 better will be a better pro, than knee braces Luck.  Phil Simms is right i just dont see NFL qualtiy throws.  Why is luck such a sure fire 1st pick, Looked good as a juniour throwing 25 yard flag patterns to the corner on  play action rollout? but other than that, He not 6 3, and reminds me of a broke sam bradford, The Pac 10 was really weak this year, Can see that kid from Arkansas as a better pro than luck, Just my thought, Not a colt fan, But I remember when Manning came out of Tennese, He looked the the real deal, not some smuck named luck, with his daddies pedigree, When the last time a quaterback came out of the pac 10 in the first ten picks that was a Franachise quaterback? Carson Palmer? Maybe,  Not Matt Lienhart, Not Leaf, Only one comes to mind is Elway, Noway this kid is even close to the moxy elway had..

The good thing is that we will get to see this scenario play out over the next several years. 

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this though. I do think that Luck is the real deal and will be a good pro. Now that Indy dumped the entire team essentially and is completely starting over, I don't think you will necessarily see this until 4-5 years down the road. 

With all the developments in Indy I think RG3 will come out of the gate stronger than Luck. However, I think Luck will be the better NFL QB. 

I say this because I was able to watch Luck play a lot over the last two years and honestly he looked like a man among boys in the Pac 12. I hate to use just one game as the example but he is the sole reason Stanford beat USC this year. He honestly looked like a better throwing, more polished Vince Young, when Young played at Texas. I obviously think that Luck will have a much better career than Young because I don't think that Luck with have the mental lapses that Young was prone to. 

I acknowledge that Luck had a very good O-line in college as a couple guys off that line will be early round draft choices. However, Luck really had no talent at WR and the ground game, while effective, wasn't exactly top notch. He was basically throwing to TE's all year after his best WR had multiple concussions this season. 

I'm sure Indy, with all the available cap room and eventual high draft choices they will acquire over the next couple of seasons, will surround Luck with a good O-line and a go to receiver and an effective slot receiver. 

I do think that, in the long run, drafting Luck will be the correct choice. I'm not saying that RG3 will not be good, I just think that Luck will be better. 


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Posted: 3/11/2012 12:18:24 AM
I think RG3 will be a better Qb
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:06:15 AM
I have to agree. His father oliver was an awful qb so will he..
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:38:38 AM
Its funny because people are claiming Luck to be "a qb that comes around only once a generation" thats quite a bold statement. Colt McCoy, Carson Palmer,Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, all supposed to be GREAT. Mind you, Stafford is legit...but Bradford and the rest, they are all questionable at best. How often does a great prospect pan out?

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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:38:59 AM
Alex Smith...David Carr....come on
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:41:23 AM
Peyton saved and made that franchise.If Luck turns out to be an average qb look for J.I.to screw it up.Just like his daddy did.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 9:41:01 AM
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The good thing is that we will get to see this scenario play out over the next several years. 

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this though. I do think that Luck is the real deal and will be a good pro. Now that Indy dumped the entire team essentially and is completely starting over, I don't think you will necessarily see this until 4-5 years down the road. 

With all the developments in Indy I think RG3 will come out of the gate stronger than Luck. However, I think Luck will be the better NFL QB. 

I say this because I was able to watch Luck play a lot over the last two years and honestly he looked like a man among boys in the Pac 12. I hate to use just one game as the example but he is the sole reason Stanford beat USC this year. He honestly looked like a better throwing, more polished Vince Young, when Young played at Texas. I obviously think that Luck will have a much better career than Young because I don't think that Luck with have the mental lapses that Young was prone to. 

I acknowledge that Luck had a very good O-line in college as a couple guys off that line will be early round draft choices. However, Luck really had no talent at WR and the ground game, while effective, wasn't exactly top notch. He was basically throwing to TE's all year after his best WR had multiple concussions this season. 

I'm sure Indy, with all the available cap room and eventual high draft choices they will acquire over the next couple of seasons, will surround Luck with a good O-line and a go to receiver and an effective slot receiver. 

I do think that, in the long run, drafting Luck will be the correct choice. I'm not saying that RG3 will not be good, I just think that Luck will be better. 





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Posted: 3/11/2012 9:42:43 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ad1260:

Its funny because people are claiming Luck to be "a qb that comes around only once a generation" thats quite a bold statement. Colt McCoy, Carson Palmer,Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, all supposed to be GREAT. Mind you, Stafford is legit...but Bradford and the rest, they are all questionable at best. How often does a great prospect pan out?



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Posted: 3/11/2012 9:48:55 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RemiMartin:

Colts on the wrong side this time, Repeat of when Manning and Leaf were drafted, this time colts on the wrong side of the street, RG3 better will be a better pro, than knee braces Luck.  Phil Simms is right i just dont see NFL qualtiy throws.  Why is luck such a sure fire 1st pick, Looked good as a juniour throwing 25 yard flag patterns to the corner on  play action rollout? but other than that, He not 6 3, and reminds me of a broke sam bradford, The Pac 10 was really weak this year, Can see that kid from Arkansas as a better pro than luck, Just my thought, Not a colt fan, But I remember when Manning came out of Tennese, He looked the the real deal, not some smuck named luck, with his daddies pedigree, When the last time a quaterback came out of the pac 10 in the first ten picks that was a Franachise quaterback? Carson Palmer? Maybe,  Not Matt Lienhart, Not Leaf, Only one comes to mind is Elway, Noway this kid is even close to the moxy elway had..


luck reminds me exactly like manning
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Posted: 3/11/2012 11:13:18 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RemiMartin:

pac 10 in the first ten picks that was a Franachise quaterback? Carson Palmer? Maybe,  Not Matt Lienhart, Not Leaf, Only one comes to mind is Elway, Noway this kid is even close to the moxy elway had..

Since Elway, you have Bledsoe and Aikman.  Rodgers is a franchise QB but he dropped out of the top 10 for some reason.  But there have been numerous Pac 10/12 busts, just like every other conference. 

For every Peyton Manning, ELI, and Stafford  out of the SEC there is a Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch, and Heath Schuler.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 1:05:47 PM

Luck will be great, as will RG3.

You can say the Pac-12 sucked, but, you ever check out the Big-12 defenses?

Luck finished second twice in the Heisman. Which is pretty good for a qb on a team THAT RAN MORE THAN IT PASSED. Check out the wideouts Luck had to throw to. There's a reason Harbaugh/Shaw threw to all those tight ends.

As far as his father sucking, well, that's true. But, pedigree DOES count. Archie Manning was a pretty decent qb for a horrible team, and his sons turned out better than him. I have no doubt the younger Luck will be better than his father.

At his workout day, Luck bettered several catagories that the previous years "athletic" qb, Cam Newton, did. 40-yd dash, broad jump, etc.

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Posted: 3/11/2012 1:19:32 PM
Luck is legit. He can make any throw on the field and put the ball where he wants. He is also athletic to make plays with his feet if he has to ala Aaron Rodgers.

Some NY Giants defensive player said Luck was the best QB he has ever played against. He talked about how he was able to put the ball in windows that put him in awe.

If Luck had any wide receivers or offensive weapons at Stanford everyone would be anointing him the best QB prospect in the past 20 years.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 2:41:48 PM
I think the success or failures of Luck and Griffith will depend greatly on the supporting cast behind them.  Smith is finally starting to show why he was the 1st overall pick and Rodgers had a superior supporting cast behind him without changes in coaching/schemes and an offence built around him.  I always said if you take Rodgers out of Green Bay and put him in SF and vise versa I think you see a big difference between those two QBs.  Only few QBs can play anywhere (i.e. Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, Steve Young, John Elway, etc)
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Posted: 3/11/2012 2:56:05 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ad1260:

Its funny because people are claiming Luck to be "a qb that comes around only once a generation" thats quite a bold statement. Colt McCoy, Carson Palmer,Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez,
Jamarcus Russell, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, all supposed to be GREAT. Mind you, Stafford is legit...but Bradford and the rest, they are all questionable at best. How often does a great prospect pan out?

The senile Al Davis was the only decision maker in that draft who thought highly of Russell. Everyone else who did their due diligence wouldn't have touched him for another 3 rounds or more. Several NFL GM's said he wasn't even on their draft board for all 7 rounds. 


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QUOTE Originally Posted by Getty3:

The senile Al Davis was the only decision maker in that draft who thought highly of Russell. Everyone else who did their due diligence wouldn't have touched him for another 3 rounds or more. Several NFL GM's said he wasn't even on their draft board for all 7 rounds. 



That is true.  Davis was still pissed that his scouts talked him to draft Huff instead of Ryan in one of the prior drafts and everyone knew he was going to draft a QB with their 1st round pick no matter what and that is what he did.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 3:26:57 PM
Well...we will see in the next x amount of years
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Posted: 3/11/2012 4:15:42 PM
Guys stop saying he had no weapons.

Doug Baldwin of the Seahawks was at Stanford with him.

Baldwin in the NFL rookie year put up 51receptions, 788yds 4tds.

15+yards per catch good for 27th in the NFL 

All with mediocre talent at the QB position.
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Posted: 3/11/2012 4:49:06 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by samuelsosa:

Guys stop saying he had no weapons.

Doug Baldwin of the Seahawks was at Stanford with him.

Baldwin in the NFL rookie year put up 51receptions, 788yds 4tds.

15+yards per catch good for 27th in the NFL 

All with mediocre talent at the QB position.

He literally didn't have a WR past game 5 of this past season. 

Watch Stanford highlights from this past year. They ran out of a 2 or 3 TE set almost every down. He didn't have an offense that was able to spread it out and really showcase his abilities. Yet despite all of this he was able to thrive in that system. 

He really didn't have a ton of weapons to work with. I ask this question: Can you name one other person on that offense without looking it up? 
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Posted: 3/11/2012 4:56:29 PM
LUCK is one of the best prospects i've seen in a long time, cant say the same for leaf.


LEAF was a joke, just like matt bush of the padres.
SAN DIEGO in general is a joke. worthless pathetic scouts dont know swat about baseball or football.

and yes i couldve told u kwame brown and greg oden would suck too.

i can see the future.
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