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Posted: Jan. 16, 2012 - 3:48 PM ET #1

Playoffs: 4-2 +4.1U

Baltimore Writeup:

So I feel like I was a bit lucky last week with that Texans game, but I think the second half was actually indicative of how the first half should have played out if you remove the Texans' TOs in their half of the field. I was not impressed by the Ravens defense. Arian Foster is a beast, but I think the Ravens showed their age when a young offense tries to punch them in the mouth. I also feel like the Houston WRs were able to get open but Yates either missed them or made the wrong read.

This team seems to be night and day when it comes to playing away from Baltimore. Their offense averages 8 fewer points on the road and their defense gives up 3 more points on the road. In relative terms their offense goes from outperforming the defense at home by 5 to basically performing on par with the defense they are facing on the road. On defense they outperform the offense they face at home by 4 while only outperforming by 1 on the road. I think this can be attributed to Joe Flacco getting rattled in opposing stadiums and their defense unable to feed off of their home crowd. The Ravens are 8-0SU at home while 4-4SU on the road.

Looking deeper at Flacco's stats reveals the road woes. On average Flacco has a QBR 4pts below the defense he faces on the road. If you remove his highly efficient performance versus Cincinnati in the final week who were without top safety Leon Hall and the Ravens rushed for 200+ then Flacco averages 8 below his opponent's defense. On the road Flacco's averages .6 yards per pass less than the defense he is facing allows. Also, Flacco tends to underperform when he is forced to throw the ball more than 30 times. Flacco averages a QBR of 96 with fewer than 30 attempts while he has a QBR of 74 with 30+ attempts. In relative terms this discrepancy becomes more clear, with <30 attempts he outperforms the defense's QBR by 18 while with 30+ attempts he underperforms by 8. In 10 games when throwing 30+ passes Flacco's TD-INT ratio is 11-10 while in 7 when throwing <30 passes the ratio is 11-2.

I know these are somewhat exaggerated since they don't split out the situations he was in, but I think this indicates that when Flacco is allowed to play within himself he puts the Ravens in a great position to win, but when he is forced to sling it he tends to struggle. The Ravens are undefeated when Flacco throws it fewer than 30 times.

In the game versus the Patriots I think there are two worries. First is that Flacco will more than likely have to throw more than 30 times for the Ravens to keep up. Of the 6 occasions the Ravens have allowed 20+ points, Flacco has thrown 30+ 5 times, and I think the Patriots will be able to score 20+. The second thing that worries me is the interceptions as he averages 1per game when throwing 30+ and the Patriots are #2 in the league in picks. The Patriots force QBs to throw an average of 39 times a game which probably aides their INT total.

....I will be back with the Patriots write up later today.

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Playoffs: 4-2 +4.1U

Baltimore Writeup:

So I feel like I was a bit lucky last week with that Texans game, but I think the second half was actually indicative of how the first half should have played out if you remove the Texans' TOs in their half of the field. I was not impressed by the Ravens defense. Arian Foster is a beast, but I think the Ravens showed their age when a young offense tries to punch them in the mouth. I also feel like the Houston WRs were able to get open but Yates either missed them or made the wrong read.

This team seems to be night and day when it comes to playing away from Baltimore. Their offense averages 8 fewer points on the road and their defense gives up 3 more points on the road. In relative terms their offense goes from outperforming the defense at home by 5 to basically performing on par with the defense they are facing on the road. On defense they outperform the offense they face at home by 4 while only outperforming by 1 on the road. I think this can be attributed to Joe Flacco getting rattled in opposing stadiums and their defense unable to feed off of their home crowd. The Ravens are 8-0SU at home while 4-4SU on the road.

Looking deeper at Flacco's stats reveals the road woes. On average Flacco has a QBR 4pts below the defense he faces on the road. If you remove his highly efficient performance versus Cincinnati in the final week who were without top safety Leon Hall and the Ravens rushed for 200+ then Flacco averages 8 below his opponent's defense. On the road Flacco's averages .6 yards per pass less than the defense he is facing allows. Also, Flacco tends to underperform when he is forced to throw the ball more than 30 times. Flacco averages a QBR of 96 with fewer than 30 attempts while he has a QBR of 74 with 30+ attempts. In relative terms this discrepancy becomes more clear, with <30 attempts he outperforms the defense's QBR by 18 while with 30+ attempts he underperforms by 8. In 10 games when throwing 30+ passes Flacco's TD-INT ratio is 11-10 while in 7 when throwing <30 passes the ratio is 11-2.

I know these are somewhat exaggerated since they don't split out the situations he was in, but I think this indicates that when Flacco is allowed to play within himself he puts the Ravens in a great position to win, but when he is forced to sling it he tends to struggle. The Ravens are undefeated when Flacco throws it fewer than 30 times.

In the game versus the Patriots I think there are two worries. First is that Flacco will more than likely have to throw more than 30 times for the Ravens to keep up. Of the 6 occasions the Ravens have allowed 20+ points, Flacco has thrown 30+ 5 times, and I think the Patriots will be able to score 20+. The second thing that worries me is the interceptions as he averages 1per game when throwing 30+ and the Patriots are #2 in the league in picks. The Patriots force QBs to throw an average of 39 times a game which probably aides their INT total.

....I will be back with the Patriots write up later today.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by cam2smitty:

Playoffs: 4-2 +4.1U

Baltimore Writeup:

So I feel like I was a bit lucky last week with that Texans game, but I think the second half was actually indicative of how the first half should have played out if you remove the Texans' TOs in their half of the field. I was not impressed by the Ravens defense. Arian Foster is a beast, but I think the Ravens showed their age when a young offense tries to punch them in the mouth. I also feel like the Houston WRs were able to get open but Yates either missed them or made the wrong read.

This team seems to be night and day when it comes to playing away from Baltimore. Their offense averages 8 fewer points on the road and their defense gives up 3 more points on the road. In relative terms their offense goes from outperforming the defense at home by 5 to basically performing on par with the defense they are facing on the road. On defense they outperform the offense they face at home by 4 while only outperforming by 1 on the road. I think this can be attributed to Joe Flacco getting rattled in opposing stadiums and their defense unable to feed off of their home crowd. The Ravens are 8-0SU at home while 4-4SU on the road.

Looking deeper at Flacco's stats reveals the road woes. On average Flacco has a QBR 4pts below the defense he faces on the road. If you remove his highly efficient performance versus Cincinnati in the final week who were without top safety Leon Hall and the Ravens rushed for 200+ then Flacco averages 8 below his opponent's defense. On the road Flacco's averages .6 yards per pass less than the defense he is facing allows. Also, Flacco tends to underperform when he is forced to throw the ball more than 30 times. Flacco averages a QBR of 96 with fewer than 30 attempts while he has a QBR of 74 with 30+ attempts. In relative terms this discrepancy becomes more clear, with <30 attempts he outperforms the defense's QBR by 18 while with 30+ attempts he underperforms by 8. In 10 games when throwing 30+ passes Flacco's TD-INT ratio is 11-10 while in 7 when throwing <30 passes the ratio is 11-2.

I know these are somewhat exaggerated since they don't split out the situations he was in, but I think this indicates that when Flacco is allowed to play within himself he puts the Ravens in a great position to win, but when he is forced to sling it he tends to struggle. The Ravens are undefeated when Flacco throws it fewer than 30 times.

In the game versus the Patriots I think there are two worries. First is that Flacco will more than likely have to throw more than 30 times for the Ravens to keep up. Of the 6 occasions the Ravens have allowed 20+ points, Flacco has thrown 30+ 5 times, and I think the Patriots will be able to score 20+. The second thing that worries me is the interceptions as he averages 1per game when throwing 30+ and the Patriots are #2 in the league in picks. The Patriots force QBs to throw an average of 39 times a game which probably aides their INT total.

....I will be back with the Patriots write up later today.



Excellent points man......also, the Ravens are 20-3 past 2 years when Ray Rice gets the ball more than 20 times a game. The Ravens need that balance attack on offense & their defense needs to step up their game & keep Brady off his game..............
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Playoffs: 4-2 +4.1U

Baltimore Writeup:

So I feel like I was a bit lucky last week with that Texans game, but I think the second half was actually indicative of how the first half should have played out if you remove the Texans' TOs in their half of the field. I was not impressed by the Ravens defense. Arian Foster is a beast, but I think the Ravens showed their age when a young offense tries to punch them in the mouth. I also feel like the Houston WRs were able to get open but Yates either missed them or made the wrong read.

This team seems to be night and day when it comes to playing away from Baltimore. Their offense averages 8 fewer points on the road and their defense gives up 3 more points on the road. In relative terms their offense goes from outperforming the defense at home by 5 to basically performing on par with the defense they are facing on the road. On defense they outperform the offense they face at home by 4 while only outperforming by 1 on the road. I think this can be attributed to Joe Flacco getting rattled in opposing stadiums and their defense unable to feed off of their home crowd. The Ravens are 8-0SU at home while 4-4SU on the road.

Looking deeper at Flacco's stats reveals the road woes. On average Flacco has a QBR 4pts below the defense he faces on the road. If you remove his highly efficient performance versus Cincinnati in the final week who were without top safety Leon Hall and the Ravens rushed for 200+ then Flacco averages 8 below his opponent's defense. On the road Flacco's averages .6 yards per pass less than the defense he is facing allows. Also, Flacco tends to underperform when he is forced to throw the ball more than 30 times. Flacco averages a QBR of 96 with fewer than 30 attempts while he has a QBR of 74 with 30+ attempts. In relative terms this discrepancy becomes more clear, with <30 attempts he outperforms the defense's QBR by 18 while with 30+ attempts he underperforms by 8. In 10 games when throwing 30+ passes Flacco's TD-INT ratio is 11-10 while in 7 when throwing <30 passes the ratio is 11-2.

I know these are somewhat exaggerated since they don't split out the situations he was in, but I think this indicates that when Flacco is allowed to play within himself he puts the Ravens in a great position to win, but when he is forced to sling it he tends to struggle. The Ravens are undefeated when Flacco throws it fewer than 30 times.

In the game versus the Patriots I think there are two worries. First is that Flacco will more than likely have to throw more than 30 times for the Ravens to keep up. Of the 6 occasions the Ravens have allowed 20+ points, Flacco has thrown 30+ 5 times, and I think the Patriots will be able to score 20+. The second thing that worries me is the interceptions as he averages 1per game when throwing 30+ and the Patriots are #2 in the league in picks. The Patriots force QBs to throw an average of 39 times a game which probably aides their INT total.

....I will be back with the Patriots write up later today.



Excellent points man......also, the Ravens are 20-3 past 2 years when Ray Rice gets the ball more than 20 times a game. The Ravens need that balance attack on offense & their defense needs to step up their game & keep Brady off his game..............
 
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Excellent points man......also, the Ravens are 20-3 past 2 years when Ray Rice gets the ball more than 20 times a game. The Ravens need that balance attack on offense & their defense needs to step up their game & keep Brady off his game..............

Yep, keeping Brady off his game and off the field is the key. Another stat. When the Ravens defense has allowed a QBR above their season average they only average 20 rushes for 78 yards. In these situations Flacco averages 40 attempts with a QBR of 73. This has happened 5 times this season with 4 of those coming on the road and 3 resulted in losses. In games where the Ravens attempt fewer than 20 rushes, they have lost all 4 games, all on the road.
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Excellent points man......also, the Ravens are 20-3 past 2 years when Ray Rice gets the ball more than 20 times a game. The Ravens need that balance attack on offense & their defense needs to step up their game & keep Brady off his game..............

Yep, keeping Brady off his game and off the field is the key. Another stat. When the Ravens defense has allowed a QBR above their season average they only average 20 rushes for 78 yards. In these situations Flacco averages 40 attempts with a QBR of 73. This has happened 5 times this season with 4 of those coming on the road and 3 resulted in losses. In games where the Ravens attempt fewer than 20 rushes, they have lost all 4 games, all on the road.
 
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Patriots:

The good thing for the Pats is that the Baltimore defense seems to be a little more porous on the road. As said before they give up about a field goal more on the road, and are pretty giving to the QB. This bodes well for the Patriots since Tom Brady outperforms opposing pass defenses by about 100 yards and 20 in the QBR rating. I see Tom Brady throwing for about 325/350 with a QBR of 100-115.

The fear for the Patriots will be their inability to run the ball. I only see them averaging about 3.5YPC in this contest. That's not terrible, but I think it will be tough for NE to stay on the field if they are continually in 3rd and long situations versus the #2 3rd down defense in the NFL. The good thing for NE is that they tend to pass on 1st down, about 3 to 1, so the hope is that Brady can mask their inability to run to keep them in manageable down and distances.

I think everyone saw what the Ravens did to the Patriots a few years ago in New England. The Patriots failed to run the ball and Brady struggled. I think this is a whole different ball game though because Brady now has Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez, and the Ravens defense is 2 years older.

The Patriots' biggest fear in this game is that the Ravens dominate both field position and time of possession. The Ravens stop teams on 3rd down(#2 in NFL) and convert on 3rd down(#7 in NFL), while the Patriots convert 3rd downs(#5) but fail to stop teams on 3rd down(#28).

If the Ravens can keep putting Brady in tough 3rd and long situations and can run the ball to give Flacco manageable passes then I think they have a shot to win straight up. It is also critical for them to not fall behind early, because I don't think they are equipped to come back from behind. This line probably has more value towards the Ravens since everyone saw the Patriots smoke the lowly Broncos and saw the Ravens grind one out versus the Texans.

Systems say: Patriots 28/25 / Ravens 18/18 but I'm not sure if it will be a play just yet.
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The good thing for the Pats is that the Baltimore defense seems to be a little more porous on the road. As said before they give up about a field goal more on the road, and are pretty giving to the QB. This bodes well for the Patriots since Tom Brady outperforms opposing pass defenses by about 100 yards and 20 in the QBR rating. I see Tom Brady throwing for about 325/350 with a QBR of 100-115.

The fear for the Patriots will be their inability to run the ball. I only see them averaging about 3.5YPC in this contest. That's not terrible, but I think it will be tough for NE to stay on the field if they are continually in 3rd and long situations versus the #2 3rd down defense in the NFL. The good thing for NE is that they tend to pass on 1st down, about 3 to 1, so the hope is that Brady can mask their inability to run to keep them in manageable down and distances.

I think everyone saw what the Ravens did to the Patriots a few years ago in New England. The Patriots failed to run the ball and Brady struggled. I think this is a whole different ball game though because Brady now has Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez, and the Ravens defense is 2 years older.

The Patriots' biggest fear in this game is that the Ravens dominate both field position and time of possession. The Ravens stop teams on 3rd down(#2 in NFL) and convert on 3rd down(#7 in NFL), while the Patriots convert 3rd downs(#5) but fail to stop teams on 3rd down(#28).

If the Ravens can keep putting Brady in tough 3rd and long situations and can run the ball to give Flacco manageable passes then I think they have a shot to win straight up. It is also critical for them to not fall behind early, because I don't think they are equipped to come back from behind. This line probably has more value towards the Ravens since everyone saw the Patriots smoke the lowly Broncos and saw the Ravens grind one out versus the Texans.

Systems say: Patriots 28/25 / Ravens 18/18 but I'm not sure if it will be a play just yet.
 
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49ers/Giants:

This game is a little less complicated.

The 49ers showed a lot of heart in their game versus the Saints. Known for their defense, they were still able to bounce back and answer 2 huge Saints TDs to win one of the best games I have seen in awhile. The biggest thing this game did was give Alex Smith all of the confidence in the world. He ran the go ahead TD in and then threw a great pass to answer the Saints last TD which would have knocked out most teams. I look for Smith to come out with confidence again this week.

The Giants beat the Packers in Lambeau which is a huge feat. Something about the Packers just seemed off. Tons of drops and very little emotion. Eli Manning looked great and I feel like he was seeing his receivers well. The reemergence of Hakeem Nicks has definitely boosted Eli the past two weeks.

Both wins were obviously impressive, but I think the 49ers game takes the cake. The Packers seemed to quit after awhile but the Saints battled back and the 49ers made huge plays to win a close one.

The weather in San Fran looks to make this a muddy game which I think favors the 49ers if the Giants WRs can't make their cuts. Given that the SF stadium is below sea level there is no chance of it drying even if the storm clears before Sunday. If the Giants struggle to get open and are forced to run then the 49ers win by double digits.

System says: 49ers 28/29 - Giants 22/20

If the weather report remains how it is...49ers -2.5 should be a very comfortable play.
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49ers/Giants:

This game is a little less complicated.

The 49ers showed a lot of heart in their game versus the Saints. Known for their defense, they were still able to bounce back and answer 2 huge Saints TDs to win one of the best games I have seen in awhile. The biggest thing this game did was give Alex Smith all of the confidence in the world. He ran the go ahead TD in and then threw a great pass to answer the Saints last TD which would have knocked out most teams. I look for Smith to come out with confidence again this week.

The Giants beat the Packers in Lambeau which is a huge feat. Something about the Packers just seemed off. Tons of drops and very little emotion. Eli Manning looked great and I feel like he was seeing his receivers well. The reemergence of Hakeem Nicks has definitely boosted Eli the past two weeks.

Both wins were obviously impressive, but I think the 49ers game takes the cake. The Packers seemed to quit after awhile but the Saints battled back and the 49ers made huge plays to win a close one.

The weather in San Fran looks to make this a muddy game which I think favors the 49ers if the Giants WRs can't make their cuts. Given that the SF stadium is below sea level there is no chance of it drying even if the storm clears before Sunday. If the Giants struggle to get open and are forced to run then the 49ers win by double digits.

System says: 49ers 28/29 - Giants 22/20

If the weather report remains how it is...49ers -2.5 should be a very comfortable play.
 
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I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...
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I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...
 
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Excellent C2S. Thank you bud.

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Excellent C2S. Thank you bud.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by heyjohnny:

I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...

I would agree but I feel they will fall prey to the law of averages. NY seems to struggle when they can't jump ahead at half on the road. If the weather is as poor as it is forecasted, I don't see how the Giants will be able to get in a rhythm early. Alex Smith should be confident in his reads and Harbaugh will work all week to have a quick release and good protection. 49ers just need to stay out of 3rd and long where the Giants can pin their ears back. I think the Giants will be forced into some tough 3rd and longs themselves which will be tough to convert in mud and rain.

Keep in mind the Giants stock is very very high right now.
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I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...

I would agree but I feel they will fall prey to the law of averages. NY seems to struggle when they can't jump ahead at half on the road. If the weather is as poor as it is forecasted, I don't see how the Giants will be able to get in a rhythm early. Alex Smith should be confident in his reads and Harbaugh will work all week to have a quick release and good protection. 49ers just need to stay out of 3rd and long where the Giants can pin their ears back. I think the Giants will be forced into some tough 3rd and longs themselves which will be tough to convert in mud and rain.

Keep in mind the Giants stock is very very high right now.
 
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Thank for sharing your takes on the game.
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Thank you Makaveli and Europa

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Let's get this started....

Playoffs: 4-2 +4.1U


49ers -2.5 2U

Think this is a good bet. I think the value is with the 49ers. They should make the Giants one dimensional and I like the Alex Smith/Harbaugh combination. Their defense is tough enough to keep them in the game and their offense is built to move the ball on the Giants who have thrived off of putting teams in passing situations.
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Playoffs: 4-2 +4.1U


49ers -2.5 2U

Think this is a good bet. I think the value is with the 49ers. They should make the Giants one dimensional and I like the Alex Smith/Harbaugh combination. Their defense is tough enough to keep them in the game and their offense is built to move the ball on the Giants who have thrived off of putting teams in passing situations.
 
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[Quote: Originally Posted by heyjohnny] I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...
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[Quote: Originally Posted by heyjohnny] I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...
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value within value. 
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THE BAD WEATHER WONT AFFECT SMITH AT ALL

THIS GAME WILL COME DOWN TO TURNOVERS

BY THE WAY IN SLOOPY WEATHER THE OFFENCE HAS THE ADVANTAGETHE WR'S KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING .THE DB'S DO NOTI COACHED FOR YEARS AND THAT WAS THE CASE MANY TIMES[BOL TO ALL]

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THE BAD WEATHER WONT AFFECT SMITH AT ALL

THIS GAME WILL COME DOWN TO TURNOVERS

BY THE WAY IN SLOOPY WEATHER THE OFFENCE HAS THE ADVANTAGETHE WR'S KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING .THE DB'S DO NOTI COACHED FOR YEARS AND THAT WAS THE CASE MANY TIMES[BOL TO ALL]

 
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Quote Originally Posted by smallbet07:

Quote Originally Posted by heyjohnny:

I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...
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Quote Originally Posted by heyjohnny:

I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...
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Quote Originally Posted by DOVJAK:

THE BAD WEATHER WONT AFFECT SMITH AT ALL

THIS GAME WILL COME DOWN TO TURNOVERS

BY THE WAY IN SLOOPY WEATHER THE OFFENCE HAS THE ADVANTAGETHE WR'S KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING .THE DB'S DO NOTI COACHED FOR YEARS AND THAT WAS THE CASE MANY TIMES[BOL TO ALL]


Well I highlighted the weather affecting Eli more because he will have to pass it a lot versus the 49ers because I don't think they will be able to run the ball well.

In terms of the sloppy weather advantage I know what you mean with the receivers but you also have to consider the QB's release is certainly affected by rain and the WR's can't make the cuts as well so their timing will be off. I think this is an advantage for the 49ers.
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THE BAD WEATHER WONT AFFECT SMITH AT ALL

THIS GAME WILL COME DOWN TO TURNOVERS

BY THE WAY IN SLOOPY WEATHER THE OFFENCE HAS THE ADVANTAGETHE WR'S KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING .THE DB'S DO NOTI COACHED FOR YEARS AND THAT WAS THE CASE MANY TIMES[BOL TO ALL]


Well I highlighted the weather affecting Eli more because he will have to pass it a lot versus the 49ers because I don't think they will be able to run the ball well.

In terms of the sloppy weather advantage I know what you mean with the receivers but you also have to consider the QB's release is certainly affected by rain and the WR's can't make the cuts as well so their timing will be off. I think this is an advantage for the 49ers.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by heyjohnny:

I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...

you might want to take a look at this boxscore and headline:

https://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311128018

"Drew Brees accounts for 5 TDs as Saints demolish fading Giants"

football is a game of match-ups.... if A wins against B, and B wins against C, it does not mean A will win against C. 

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Quote Originally Posted by heyjohnny:

I've been doing this for a while. I still can't understand why anyone would be thinking the 49er's will beat the Giants by 6-9 points. NY is way better than the Saints. Their defense alone is 100 times better. NY will not have 5 TO's. They actually may create 5 TO's though... Not too mention they have been in this exact position just a few years ago....Eli is on fire too...

you might want to take a look at this boxscore and headline:

https://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=311128018

"Drew Brees accounts for 5 TDs as Saints demolish fading Giants"

football is a game of match-ups.... if A wins against B, and B wins against C, it does not mean A will win against C. 

 
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49ers/Giants under 43 3U

I think this is a great spot for the under. The Giants offense has looked good against mediocre to bad defenses and the 49ers just torched a porous Saints defense. I think these teams match up well against each other defensively and the weather will be sloppy which hurts the long FGs and QB play. 

 
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49ers/Giants under 43 3U

I think this is a great spot for the under. The Giants offense has looked good against mediocre to bad defenses and the 49ers just torched a porous Saints defense. I think these teams match up well against each other defensively and the weather will be sloppy which hurts the long FGs and QB play. 

 
 
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Here's an angle that I'm not sure you thought about. The best thing about the Niners defense is their run stopping, but the Giants have been beating teams all year not running the ball. I think we can all agree that the Giants ground game has been awful this year. It goes a bit against conventional wisdom here, I know, but the Giants have found a way to win big games while being dead last in the league in rushing yards. You say that the Niners will make the Giants one dimensional. I agree. I still think the Giants will win this one. 

Also, unless Harbaugh is going to put on a helmut and start running routes, I think the Smith/Harbaugh combo is going to have a rough go of it. There's simply no way the Giants are going to allow Vernon Davis to go single covered often like the Saints did to the their detriment. And the Niners have no other reliable receiving options. None. Crabtree is talented but still looks like every game is his first in the NFL. Don't be surprised if Webster covers Davis either. And sorry if Kyle Williams doesn't seem like huge threat.

The fact is, SF hasn't faced many top defenses at the top of their game this year, but here's how it's shaken out: v DAL 27-24 loss, @ BAL 16-6 loss, v PIT 20-3 win. The Dallas game was embarrassing at the end, but showed the Niners' vulnerability to a pass heavy attack. The Ravens game was an embarrassment for them on offense, though I do think it would have been less so at home. The Steelers game will be attributed to turnovers, but as we've seen Big Ben was a turnover machine in the last couple months. Meanwhile, the Giants have been exceptionally good taking care of the ball in their last four games, and they were against two of the best teams forcing turnovers (GB and NYJ) and two average, but not bad teams at forcing turnovers (DAL and ATL). If the Niners can't force at least two turnovers in this one, I don't see them winning. If they can, then it'll be a game to remember. 

On top of all of this, if Ginn isn't able to play, I think the Niners will have some major problems on special teams. Even if he does go, I'd be shocked if he has that edge needed to make a special play. And special teams has been a big part of the Niners' success this year.
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Here's an angle that I'm not sure you thought about. The best thing about the Niners defense is their run stopping, but the Giants have been beating teams all year not running the ball. I think we can all agree that the Giants ground game has been awful this year. It goes a bit against conventional wisdom here, I know, but the Giants have found a way to win big games while being dead last in the league in rushing yards. You say that the Niners will make the Giants one dimensional. I agree. I still think the Giants will win this one. 

Also, unless Harbaugh is going to put on a helmut and start running routes, I think the Smith/Harbaugh combo is going to have a rough go of it. There's simply no way the Giants are going to allow Vernon Davis to go single covered often like the Saints did to the their detriment. And the Niners have no other reliable receiving options. None. Crabtree is talented but still looks like every game is his first in the NFL. Don't be surprised if Webster covers Davis either. And sorry if Kyle Williams doesn't seem like huge threat.

The fact is, SF hasn't faced many top defenses at the top of their game this year, but here's how it's shaken out: v DAL 27-24 loss, @ BAL 16-6 loss, v PIT 20-3 win. The Dallas game was embarrassing at the end, but showed the Niners' vulnerability to a pass heavy attack. The Ravens game was an embarrassment for them on offense, though I do think it would have been less so at home. The Steelers game will be attributed to turnovers, but as we've seen Big Ben was a turnover machine in the last couple months. Meanwhile, the Giants have been exceptionally good taking care of the ball in their last four games, and they were against two of the best teams forcing turnovers (GB and NYJ) and two average, but not bad teams at forcing turnovers (DAL and ATL). If the Niners can't force at least two turnovers in this one, I don't see them winning. If they can, then it'll be a game to remember. 

On top of all of this, if Ginn isn't able to play, I think the Niners will have some major problems on special teams. Even if he does go, I'd be shocked if he has that edge needed to make a special play. And special teams has been a big part of the Niners' success this year.
 
 
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Werker,
Looking at it closer SF have faced more good defenses than people are looking at good defneses CincY WIN ,Pitt WIN,Cle WIN,Sea WIN TWICE twice,NYG WIN.Granted the offense of Cle and Sea are not compariable but their defenses are in the top half
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Looking at it closer SF have faced more good defenses than people are looking at good defneses CincY WIN ,Pitt WIN,Cle WIN,Sea WIN TWICE twice,NYG WIN.Granted the offense of Cle and Sea are not compariable but their defenses are in the top half
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