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#1 Posted: 8/15/2012 1:33:42 PM Here's how I KNOW that most of what rightwingers screech about is garbage:
Because there are plenty of rich liberals. Millions, in fact.
These are the same type of people you guys are always so quick to defend. Wealthy people. The only difference is that they seem not to give a flying darn about the same things you guys constantly whine about. Maybe behind closed doors it's a different story, what the hell do I know. But on the surface these people seem to just enjoy life. They don't seem to waste every second of their day trying to suck every last nickle out of life that they can. They seem to be totally fine with paying their fair share in taxes and just enjoying their wealth, without worrying about losing their freedoms or the country turning socialist.
You'll want examples. How about like every single actor in Hollywood? And it's even more amazing with them cuz it really does take hard work to break into that..so you'd think they'd be the typical greedy conservative who cares only about themselves after putting in so much hard work. These are like the richest people and you never see them in the trenches trying to break up unions or stop Obamacare, or concerning themselves over two happy guys wanting to marry. Why? Because they're doing what all rich people should: cocaine, adopting babies and ENJOYING life.
If liberal thinking is so bad, how could these wealthy liberal people exist? |
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#2 Posted: 8/15/2012 2:35:34 PM |
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#3 Posted: 8/15/2012 2:47:21 PM
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#4 Posted: 8/15/2012 2:49:32 PM Lol, just joking around. Really my point is this: Let's say I won $40M in the lottery, and let's say the tax rate was 75%. I can tell you I wouldn't be running around screaming socialism, or trying to hide as much $ as I could. I'd simply take my $10M and be thankful I'm rich enough to take myself out of the "game" forever. You could find me living out the rest of my life on the beach smoking the best weed I could get my hands on.
And the whole time there would be conservatives who would be outraged that I had to pay $30M in taxes. So while they're out there "defending" me and fighting my battles I'd just be laughing. Like little puppets. I'd rather them spend their energy fighting for the poor, the needy, the starving have-nots of the world, who they're actually much closer to on the economic scale. But hey, if they feel the need to defend me and my millions instead, who am I to stop them?
Oh, and that goes the same if I started then sold a business, found buried treasure, inherited it, or made a fortune trading commodities. Makes no difference to me if I worked for it or lucked into it. Money is money. |
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#5 Posted: 8/15/2012 2:50:26 PM Club.. did I read that right ?
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#6 Posted: 8/15/2012 2:50:31 PM
2) Someone pointed out Will Smith's reaction when he found out what the French Pres wanted to raise his citizens taxes to. He laughed and said "God bless America."
3) There are rich people that say "tax me more", the "Patriotic Americans", but they never volunteer to pay more. They could. They aren't going to pay more unless everyone pays more. The collective. That isn't about tax revenues. That is social justice. It always sounds good "The rich pay more" but what does that actually do. If they wanted to pay more they could go to treasury.gov.
4) Then there are the politicians like Nancy Pelosi or the Kennedy's. They are already sitting on a mountain of money. That isn't taxed. The income taxed is the income they make per year.
5) And finally there is Warren Buffet. He is worth $50 billion. What difference does it make if the govt took half of his wealth. He is left with $25 billion. He talks about how his secretary is taxed more than him. That is because he is taxed based on capital gains rates. |
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#7 Posted: 8/15/2012 2:57:16 PM so you don't have a problem paying 75% in taxes, but you have a problem with those who do have a problem with it
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#8 Posted: 8/15/2012 3:06:34 PM Lol, capt, I guess so. I'm just saying, me, personally, if I had wealth like that I just wouldn't care. It's just funny to me that people who don't have that money and never will, defend the wealthy with this crazy rage.
It's especially weird when I talk with conservatives who claim the job creators are just so stiffled by high taxes and healthcare uncertainty. So I buy in and ask for proof that cutting taxes on the wealthy will lead to job growth in America. And they can't even give me THAT! They just want lower taxes with no guarantee that it will stimulate the economy. I mean, who is really promoting class warfare here?
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#9 Posted: 8/15/2012 3:12:02 PM |
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#10 Posted: 8/15/2012 3:13:07 PM
of course, when there is such a divide between logical and rational thinking and reality, you know what has to be involved, right?
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#11 Posted: 8/15/2012 3:23:03 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
i think that's a good point. the republicans are a mess right now but you have to give them credit for making so many people so strongly in support of republicans when republicans are so obviously out only for the richest among us and the politicians they have purchased. how do you make people do things so contrary to their own interest and in favor of people who hate them and be happy doing it?
of course, when there is such a divide between logical and rational thinking and reality, you know what has to be involved, right?
I can't speak for all conservatives but look at CaptJohn's post #9 in this thread. That is the philosophy I use. I'm middle class. I want to make more money but rich people don't owe me anything. My philosophy is don't bother me and I won't bother you. If everyone had that attitude the entire world would be a better place. |
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#12 Posted: 8/15/2012 3:32:17 PM
based on your last comment, you're a libertarian. you need to move far, far away from these liberal, statist, welfare loving republicans. they are not what they say they are.
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#13 Posted: 8/15/2012 3:36:33 PM It's amazing to me how many people will vote against their own best interest. Like they didn't learn a lesson from Bush and they think Obama can staighten it out in 3.5 years.
The repulsicans put up a stone wall and hide behind it and said, you fix the mess we made Mr President. And, laughing at him. and couldn't care less if the economy ever came back.
And, the suckers out there are falling for another load, this time it's a load of Mitt. |
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#14 Posted: 8/15/2012 3:50:46 PM #9 & #11, great points and I'm pretty much with you. I think once you weed out the crazy nuts (on BOTH sides) you're left with normal people who just want a fair system, without condemning rich people, and helping, within reason, the needy. I don't think anybody wants government waste, and most people would rather work than take a handout.
I disagree a little on the "owing" issue though. I think successful people DO have an obligation. Let's be real, America affords opportunities unlike anywhere else. Look at that dude Saverin from Facebook. He started his business here, right? Not Ethiopia or Qatar or France or Holland. He knew the tax system. So it's ok to use this great platform America gives you, but then you turn around after you've made millions and get angry about paying taxes?? I don't know if that's the whole story but come on man. It's like growing up in a great house with parents that give you every opportunity to succeed, and then turning around and girl slapping them. |
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#15 Posted: 8/15/2012 4:20:25 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
cano, i took captain's post to be directed at the taxation issue, not republican support generally
based on your last comment, you're a libertarian. you need to move far, far away from these liberal, statist, welfare loving republicans. they are not what they say they are.
I wouldn't call myself a libertarian because that has the connotation that I am for legalized drugs, happy marriage, abortion, etc.
I am not against them. That's just something I wouldn't campaign for or against. I just think individual states should decide. I would call myself a state's rights constitutionalists (if that's a word). The two most important political subjects to me is laissez faire economics (govt stay out of business) and national defense. |
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#16 Posted: 8/15/2012 4:25:10 PM Quote Posted by agentcooper:
Because they're doing what all rich people should: cocaine, adopting babies and ENJOYING life.
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So in a nutshell that's the lifestyle of a liberal millionaire...lol
A conservative millionaire creates jobs for other Americans...and they don't sit around snorting cocaine up their nostrils and behaving like crazed zombies!...lol
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#17 Posted: 8/15/2012 4:37:35 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:
I wouldn't call myself a libertarian because that has the connotation that I am for legalized drugs, happy marriage, abortion, etc.
I am not against them. That's just something I wouldn't campaign for or against. I just think individual states should decide. I would call myself a state's rights constitutionalists (if that's a word). The two most important political subjects to me is laissez faire economics (govt stay out of business) and national defense.
there's hope for you yet
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#18 Posted: 8/15/2012 4:48:06 PM
You mean like Clint Eastwood, right?
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#19 Posted: 8/15/2012 4:52:11 PM
I'll tell you why. Because the policies they advocate have no material effect on them.
See, it is rather easy to call for higher taxation on income when you have tax lawyers and shelters not available to those receiving income.
For example, Tom Cruise doesn't get paid by a movie studio, the studio pays a corporation from which Cruise derives a partial salary. This enables him to minimize his tax liabilities.
Your assertion that these people "pay their fair share" is laughable and false.
Otherwise, none of them are going to be effected by ObamaCare because they can pay cash for the best medical care in the world. And when their insurance premiums double, it also won't effect them. Same for gasoline prices, energy prices, and food.
It is easy to be a rich liberal. And it is mindless. |
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#20 Posted: 8/15/2012 5:23:15 PM Ok ok, ONE guy...oh, and I can't forget Ted Nugent, you guys can have that clown, too. But you know what I mean...
If policies have no material effect on them, doesn't that also apply to say, the Koch brothers? It just seems to me you can either count yourself blessed and enjoy your wealth, or become all political and get your panties in a bunch over every little issue.
I'd love to be rich and mindless. Why would you want to be a rich, stressed-out douchebag? That's like doing work on vacation... |
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#22 Posted: 8/15/2012 5:39:23 PM
It is just another example of how Americans protect their individual rights. It is not in my best interest to say that rich people should not be taxed at a higher rate, I would clearly benefit (in theory) from spreading the wealth around, as I am not a rich person by any means.
It would also benefit me (in theory) to abort any baby of a person that has a sub-standard IQ or if it will be born into poverty.
In a free society you have to make distinctions between what you would personally benefit from, and what is right based on the principles of your society. |
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#23 Posted: 8/15/2012 5:44:31 PM Well, except there are plenty of situations and things you may support that benefit you but not others.
Too often, the 'solution', is based on weight of power and sadly, who had the most influence. |
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#24 Posted: 8/15/2012 5:55:59 PM
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#25 Posted: 8/15/2012 6:00:52 PM
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