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Posted: 12/9/2011 1:16:53 AM
For those asking why doctors have authority... read on!
It was a sad day that will remain for his family, friends and many others. (The best to his close ones and others.)
 
"Russian light heavyweight boxer Roman Simakov, who collapsed in the ring Monday during a title defence, has died of brain injuries at a hospital, an official said.

The 27-year-old Simakov collapsed a minute into the seventh round after enduring a torrent of punches from Sergei Kovalev. He immediately fell into a coma from which he never emerged, said Igor Maruzov, general secretary of the Russian Boxing Federation."

Regarding the fight, watch and see at what point the fight should have been stopped previously? I don't see it, so many of the dangers of damage are already done in most cases. We see the fight and say it was at this point or that, but any fighter could have a pre-existing condition easily go unnoticeable.
    Two non-boxing stories show the dangers of athletes that have conditions that are basically undetectable until it's too late (below). Now compound the fact of the body using every ounce of stamina (even until over-exertion) and taking severe brain trauma. That's why rabbit punches are illegal and lethal. A chemical called neurofilament light, which is released when damage is done to nerve cells, is around four times higher than normal in boxers after a fight.


"Thompson was playing basketball at the campus recreation center when he collapsed, and at the age of 19 he died of an apparent heart attack Wednesday evening."


** (One of the most read and heard tragedies in sports history)
"Eric "Hank" Gathers (February 11, 1967 – March 4, 1990) was an American college basketball star at Loyola Marymount University who collapsed and died during a game. He was the second player in NCAA Division I history to lead the nation in scoring and rebounding in the same season."
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Posted: 12/9/2011 6:40:59 PM

RIP, boxing can be very dangerous, you need a good corner more than a doctor (Buddy Mcgirt comes to mind in the Mayweather-Gatti stopping Gatti from any unnecessary abuse). Where were the doctors in the Bowe-Golota fights? Your corner should not let one fight ruin your career, live to fight another day.  

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Posted: 12/9/2011 8:19:59 PM
cd2010: I posted about careers and opinions about living to fight another day...

"People call some fighters quitters that realize after a certain point in the fight that they have no chance and will just suffer so they refuse to come out for the next round. In other sports, like the NFL, you see a player cleared to play but even if it is a playoff game, the team owner, GM, coach, and the player himself decides that the Risk/Reward Ratio is negative and won't jeopardize their entire career.
   Don't get me wrong, there is a major gap between a fighter that decides not to continue a fight for career and health reasons and how Victor Ortiz quit against Maidana and Mayweather. I felt he had no chance against Floyd but showed no heart, and clearly Maidana isn't as good a boxer but Ortiz was overwhelmed and said "Uncle" instead of digging deep. (I don't have hard feelings toward Ortiz but he was a prime example of the difference).

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Posted: 12/20/2011 3:05:25 AM
I hear ya CD, but many people believe if boxers many decades ago fought 15 round to the death fights for pennies, fighters making millions yet alone mega-millions, they should be willing to die in the ring.

I say fight another day, but when I was a young fighter I had the opposite view. Then all it takes is sparring and knocking a fighter out of the ring landing on the floor 3-6ft above floor level, and he snap his vertebrate and changes his life and you see him a year later in a chair en like renowned scientist Stephen Hawking having to control everything by finger pad.
Sugar Ray Robinson killed a fighter and his own corner said many fights he never wanted to fight and when he hurt someone he let off the gas. Although we have that killer instinct we are people who gain perspective in the important things like being able when you are 40 years old to just walk in the park with your kids (that is more valuable than ANY GREAT FIGHT).
YES, we love great athletes performing at their best, but you need wisdom and long term perspective. A great athlete I truly admire for his actions was Robert Smith (NFL RB for Minnesota Vikings 1993-2000) as he retired at his peak after eight season claiming he stated it would be a matter of time before getting anything much more serious than a very common knee problems (surgery). He had the opportunity for HUGE free agency money.
“I couldn’t be happier (with my health) considering what I went through for eight years,” Smith said in a phone interview with The News-Herald. “My right knee gets sore for a while when the weather turns and my right foot is sore every once in a while, but that’s about it. I feel lucky.” A wife and daughter he now realizes that no amount of money compares with the pure happiness he receives running and playing with his daughter!!!
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Posted: 12/20/2011 10:03:14 PM
I tell my team right away before we agreed to work with one another that their are 2 things that I demand of them, one is that they never stop a fight that I am in, no matter what, (if it is that bad the ref or doctor will stop it) and the other is not to yell instructions during the middle of a round,  chances are if they see it so do I, but if you start yelling that garbage then the opponent now knows it too and if I do not see it, than simply tell me that garbage in between rounds. that way we can capitalize, some fighters look at boxing like a job and will quit if they feel their health at risk, while to others, such as myself it is much more than just a sport,  if god came down and asked me how I want to die, I would say in the ring without hesitation, to die doing what you love most is the best way, at least that's the way I feel,    
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Posted: 12/21/2011 12:06:52 AM
"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." TD
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Posted: 12/21/2011 12:12:59 AM
I was similar many years ago. Now I weigh all my decisions before so I know exactly what I want in moments of discomfort & confusion.

The quote above by Roosevelt I admired for many years. Also, you have to consider the context. Although Floyd can beat Manny in the ring easily, I would rather live like Manny than Floyd. It doesn't mean carelessly or without caution, it means giving it your all when decide it is worth it. Manny makes those challenges at a higher degree than Floyd who lives above in the gray twilight.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 1:07:03 AM
I have a note pad of quotes that I have amassed over the years, that one is in there,  I have no confusion about what I want, I never have, my user name says it all,  are you saying that you would not want to die doing something that you love? or that it is wrong to think this way?  if that is what your saying than to each his own,   I am a spiritualist of the highest order, so  I look at life much differently than most, death is something that I look forward too, not fear, I believe that when we die, we go home, we all have a destiny that can not be changed unless their is a suicide(that is a different story) everyone has their place, weather you are a lawyer, doctor, boxer,gambler or bum on the street, everyone their place,as we are all intertwined, we come into this life to learn and to go through certain situations,( I know this as a close family member is a medium, I have had conferences with vann praagh, brown and a few others as well as lily dale community and my own personal experiences which are vast)  not sure if you aware of what's going on in lily dale, new york, but I have visited their a couple of times, you should visit this place, with an open mind and I can promise it will change the way you look at life, I think I may have gotten a little too deep for a public post, but darn it,   I also believe that you just might be the biggest mayweather critic that I have encountered so far. what is your take on ray leonard then? the 2 are very similar, leonard never really fought too many guys when he should of either and everything was always on his terms, the difference is that leonard did have better competition to face than floyd does. leonard also had a much better team around him as well.    I
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Posted: 12/21/2011 1:18:43 AM
back to the spiritual part of the last post, this is why I have tackled that book that I had mentioned a while back, logically It does not make sence to take on such a large task during my career, but I do sometimes wonder which one is really my career as I have extreme passion for both feilds, I am drawn to both. both are in bedded deep, at times maybe too deep. as someone very dear to me always said, do the best you can each day.
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Posted: 12/21/2011 1:46:05 AM
My bottom line is... life is in constant motion, and as life and circumstances change, as do our decisions. I remember you mentioned having a son sometime ago. Typically I don't bring the issue of movies, but take "Rocky III", before he had a wife and kids, he would die in the ring. After he feared serious injury (death, etc), and leaving behind a wife and child. So, anyone who thinks they are certain, are fooled. Maybe 99.9%, but the only certainty in life is that it is uncertain. Circumstances don't change the man, only the plan.
"Circumstances do not make the man, they reveal him."
  The reason I am a critic (and not negatively, but nor in a positive light) of Mayweather (because as a person who boxing has played a major part and no other sport to me is close because it still remains more than entertainment to me), is the fact he has been unchallenged in a decade and he has that rare combination off an all-time great. I get frustrated when someone of his caliber is blessed with all makings but chooses the business part first. If he wasn't so talented, I wouldn't feel as I do. You know as I do, he can bring it with any of the greatest ever. If he stated it's a business first in his mindset, instead of the ongoing BS, I would have more respect for him admitting what is apparently the truth.
   Also, when you have children and the utmost responsibilities, many things must take a backseat as hard as it may be because that is sacrifice, and it is the only true measure of unconditional love!  

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Posted: 12/21/2011 1:52:22 AM
Also, as for you being a spiritualist, that has a very wide definition. I notice you mention mediums... so is that something you believe in I assume, or afterlife, or re-incarnation, or several, etc...???
Just curious as you mentioned it.

Also, we all have the thought of dying in a pursuit of our passion, but that is a thought. The original general concept behind that is when you are doing what you love most, thought rarely interferes and even in the great peril of dying, you have no fear as the passion overwhelms (a distraction, but not exactly). I believe in passion, that is why I am a critic of Floyd... you can be equally both,... does he want to be a boxer first or a businessman? There is no middle ground!
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Posted: 12/21/2011 2:53:43 AM
their is a middle ground for floyd and he has been doing it for the last few years,       it is hard for me to speak about my spiritual beliefs any further than I already have as I would simply have to write too much to explain each situation and obviously I believe in what you mentioned above,because I have had experiences that prove it,  but  words will not be able to change most people's minds, If I have not experience certain things or met certain people, I would probly say it was bullshit as most do,  mediums-exist, re-incarnation-yes, several-yes, if you are a believer than I could use certain terminology that you would understand if you do not believe than what is the point as I would not change your mind anyways,   one thing that would is a trip to lily dale, new york for a week, that I would garentee, but what is written on the net about this place is often by religious fanatics( or as I call the brainwashed) and is simply bashing, but what is this place is?  a community of mediums that all live together (not literally they all have seperated houses), when I was their their was around 35 of them living there, at lily dale the veil is thin, it is the most spiritual place on this side of the world, that is why they live there, it is much easier for them to do their work, both the medium aspect and physic part.   
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Posted: 12/21/2011 3:00:53 AM
psychic as opposed to physic 
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Posted: 12/21/2011 4:32:22 AM
I am never closed minded. The day you stop wonder, or challenge your own beliefs and not living out your passions... you are already dead.
Although I can claim a personal event that defies all known universal laws (an event most would either go crazy or believe 101%) I still question and remain objective in assessment limiting bias and every event unique, I then process the total into a subjective realm using more than just facts. I use analytical matrices (etc,etc... identical to what analysts agents for HUMINT do; CIA, DSS, DHS, NSA and so on as it allows you to see more of what really occurred than what you originally thought). I use them for handicapping as well... kewl stuff if you are interested I can send you some papers from weighted rank to utility tree to A-Z!.
It is not the subject of psychics, it's the fact I question every subject to its fundamental root. It is just a name for an unknown science that people neither wish to know, understand, study, etc... magnetism was magic many years ago, as were radio waves!
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