Tebow the Free Agent.

I think it is safe to say that there is a bit of collusion going on here.......looks to me like the Corporation's stance on letting Tebow play in the NFL is to run him to Canada or the Arena League.

It is very hard for me to believe that there is no one out there that will give a proven winner a chance....no, he is not the prettiest passer.....but the guy wins games, and brings a compete level that few QB's in the league do.

Seriously, can you remember a QB that has had a winning record in his first year as a starter and won a playoff game, that has been chucked to the gutter by everyone in the "League". 

It appears that no one really cares about winning any longer. Is success defined by how your team looks, as opposed to how it preforms?  Nothing better than getting the guy that can throw the ball 60 yds from his knee at the combine, but is a clusterf***k when the chips are down.  The sad part is that Jamarcus Russell has gotten more positive press for his comeback effort over the last month than Tebow has for his charity work during the same period.  Pretty telling on whom is writing the sports columns these days.

If a team is all set at QB then do not even consider Tebow...but the following squads have no excuse, other than they are scared of the NFL/ESPN media machine:  Bills, Dolphins, Cleveland, Jax, Tennessee, KC, Oakland, Eagles, Vikings, Tampa, Arizona. 

These teams stink, and usually are nowhere near a contender year in and year out.  It is humorous in a way...the Raiders love controversy and public guys....but won't go near the biggest controversial public guy of them all.  Good luck with Terrell Pryor....looks like 4-12.

Probably the best fit for Tebow would be in Philly under Chip Kelly. He is big and fast, and could be a dangerous player in an unconventional offense.  Vick will most likely be hurt early in the year, and will not be a run threat down the stretch...good luck Philly....7-9 at best.

Tebow is better than Jake Locker right now, and the rest of the teams on the list need some guts. 

But hey, Ryan Fitzpatrick has a perfect release point and a cannon arm. Good luck with your 3-13 Buffalo.

So, my point is this:  it does not make  logical sense that Tebow is not going to be given a legit shot at starting in the NFL this fall.  Usually, when things do not make sense, there is some political BS going on behind the scenes, and in this case it looks to be the big libs over at ESPN and in the front office of the NFL  do not like the idea of a squeaky clean, openly religious starting QB in their "League". 

The idea of a Tim Tebow as a public face of the NFL is too 1950's and not enough 2013 for the "League".  It simply is too risky to let him play....

That's nonsense.

All NFL cares are their bottom-line and "image". To suggest otherwise is simply not true.

1. Trent Dilfer won a SB and got ditched by the Ravens. Sure, another team picked him up but we all knew how that went and he WON a SB with that team.

2. After the "success" he had in Denver, Elway, a HOF QB, couldn't seem to get rid of him fast enough. I am a bit inclined to believe his assessment than others, especially on QBs. Obviously, they didn't get to where they wanted to go but there's not even the point.

Lastly, he's a project. However, the difference with him and any other failed projects would be day and night. Failed QBs come and go but he's going to bring distraction, scrutiny and a bunch of "I told you so" along with it. If I were a GM of a team, why would I bring all of the baggage upon myself? The ONLY reason will be for the publicity but the Jets sure didn't set a good example, did they?

Response to your points:

1) Trent Dilfer got the shaft in Baltimore.  The Ravens brought in Elvis Grbak and Randall Cunningham....and they were handsomely rewarded with garbage.  That was BS as well. What purpose did ditching Dilfer serve there? Freed up Cap space?

2)  I have a feeling that Elway was having an ego problem with Tebow...the popularity that Tebow garnered was staggering, and the Broncos were becoming his team.  But all in all, where did the big money land the Broncos last year?  Peyton Manning is a legend, but the turnovers vs the Ravens allowed them to stay in the game.  All in all, I would say that Elway has a picture of what offense looks like, and he wanted a guy like Manning on the trigger.....I have no problem at all with that decision.  Do not forget that Elway lost 3 Superbowls before he won one......And he won handing the ball off, not throwing it.

I agree 100% with the NFL only caring about their "image".  It just so happens that Tebow is not a part of it, and he is being guided to the wayside.

Your statement about not wanting to bring baggage onto your team with a guy like Tebow proves my point.  Many of the teams I listed would be excited to bring in Tebow to compete for a job; but because of the media stigma that has been created by the likes of ESPN, they will not move on him to save themselves the circus. If Tebow was a guy that was always in trouble or openly disrespectful to his superiors then passing is understandable....but he is a guy that keeps his mouth shut and works hard....the circus that follows him is not by his own creation but is a product of a major media agenda.

Pretty weak sauce if you ask me....if there is a guy out there that can help me win, is a solid guy off of the field, and will work cheap, I am bringing him in.

1. I brought Dilfer just in response to your original question.

2. Without question, Broncos is better off with Manning than Tebow as their QB. I could also argue their defense and running game had more to do with winning their games than Tebow so lets don't go there.

Personally, I like Tebow as a person and his work ethics. As a matter of fact, I still think the Jets should have given him a chance last season. What's there to lose anyway? The only point I dispute is that teams are colluded and doing everything they can to not letting him play. We see time after time teams giving questionable characters second chances or more.

It's what it is so my point is still valid and collusion has nothing to do with it.

Btw, if you want to talk about ego, there were numerous cases college QBs ended up playing different positions in the NFL. What makes him think he's so special?

Again, I think he's a great guy but I just don't get why his supporters will put blame on everyone else except Tebow himself. After all, he's not an accurate enough passer in the NFL. If his name is not Tebow, a lot of people wouldn't have the same problem with teams not wanting him.

Fair enough.  I just go by what evidence is present. He is a winning starting QB in the NFL.  All of the teams that I listed are losing teams, and quite frankly cannot get much worse. They have nothing to lose by bringing him in and letting him fight for a spot.

You are correct about the Jets....they absolutely should have put him in during the second half of the Tennessee game. The problem was, he would have won.....and they would have made the playoffs. Sanchez had 5 to's in that game and did not get the hook...and the next week Ryan and company went to the 3rd teamer instead of Tebow. The schedule was favorable for the Jets to win out and get a wildcard....and if they would have done it under Tebow, Rex and company would have been "stuck" with him.  So they did not play him....which proves my point...winning was not the ultimate goal.  

In my humble opinion, when you don't play to win, the entire game becomes a sheep show.   Further,  by not looking hard at a guy like Tebow, the teams I listed are not playing to win.  That makes their motives suspect, and raises questions about whom is calling the shots for each franchise.

The part I don't understand is the revenue that a guy like Tebow generates....seems to me that the NCAA and the NFL alike have made big dollars off of his name.....so why the lack of interest in signing the guy up??? Tim Tebow in the NFL is a win-win for everyone involved...so the lack of interest is questionable, and makes me question things like collusion and definitive marching orders coming down from the NFL and ESPN.

IF anyone out there has the balls to sign him, they will reap the rewards, and be a better squad for it.

As for Tebow "not being accurate enough"....that is some Mel Kiper and Mark Mayock BS talking points right there.  The guy hasn't had very many reps at all in the league, but I do remember him cutting up the Steelers in the playoff game.

As for Denver's Defense and running game being the reasons they won, stop it. That team was dead and buried until he got under center..if they were so great, then why did they stink so bad before he got the nod? At least give him a little credit, and don't rewrite history.

In any case, Tebow is a big boy and doesn't need me to defend him....and quite frankly it is not him I am defending.  It is the idea that everyone wants to tear a guy down whom has done nothing to deserve it.  The best guy gets the job....that is what America is all about.  Work hard and prosper.......he worked hard, will give the teams listed above a better chance to win  than the current Qb's,  and is still not getting the opportunity to shine.

I call foul, BS and anything else.  Like I said before, winning is not the goal here.....and that makes the whole production that is the NFL a sheep show.

Oh yeah, btw, the guy put on 25 pounds to play H-back for the Jets, and they never used him on the goal line. Don't give me the ego bit; he did exactly what they asked of him.

the NFL lets convicted Felons  back into the league with ease

believe me if he had even a decent 3rd stringers arm he would be on a roster

flat out , he needs to switch to H back

Thanks for proving my points and here is why:

1. You don't have any problem in giving him credit for wins but when it comes to Elway, you tried to lesson it as much as possible by statement like, " He won the SB by handling the ball off, not by throwing it".

2. Not being an accurate passer is strictly a ESPN BS talking point?? In his "great" reason with Denver, he completed 46.5% of his passes which rated him THE LOWEST IN COMPLETION % with anyone with over 200 attempts. Lets dig a little deeper, how about with anyone over 100 attempts which included a lot of non-starters? Yup, he's still had THE LOWEST COMPLETION % among them. Sure, you might say that's not what QB is all about but "not being accurate" sounds more like a valid point backed up by fact than a talking point, no? 

3. When I talked about others switching positions in NFL, I was talking about permanently, not a few plays as coach-requested but you already know that.

4. It's not the first time and it won't be the last that the media tries to hype up/tear down a player but since his name is Tebow, everyone must have gathered to collude against him.

5. Working hard doesn't guarantee anyone anything in life. Besides, just maybe his skill set will fit him more in other positions but he's the one who insists he's a starting QB in NFL. He has every right to think that way but why when others don't agree, it's such a travesty??

Like I said before, his supporters will only point out anything that remotely for his side while blindly overlook anything against him even the other side does have valid points.

Point counter point:

1)  IMO Terrell Davis was a big reaon for those Superbowl wins....you are into stats, look up how many carries he had in the two superbowl years in Denver. Denver was ball control at that point...they may have been able to win those Superbowls without Elway; it is not unreasonable to think that.  For the record, I like Elway......but being a great player and a great GM are 2 different things.

2)  Those are interesting Stats.  Of course, I could say that Denver's offense under Tebow that year was a bit unconventional....he wasn't throwing 5yd hitches and screens 20 times per game to get those numbers up..most of the passing game was vertical, and deeper drag routes.  My main point is, the body  of work is incomplete...show me a stat like that after 2 full years under center, and if the team is not winning then make a change.  But to say a guy is not capable of being effective In the future after limited data is incorrect. 

3)  Eventually, if the guy wants to get a job, then this is what we will most likely see.  Probably become a tight end....I am sure that will make everyone happy.

4)  Can you remember any other player that has taken the media scrutiny that Tebow has, 12 months a year, 7 days a week?

5)  It is not a "travesty" that everyone doesn't like Tebow.  Its a "travesty" that Bengazi unfolded the way it did.  Tebow not getting a legit shot to play QB is BS, and shows that most GM's around the league  are scared to make a bold move in an attempt to get better.

I like the insinuation that anyone whom "supports" Tebow is somehow "blind" or stupid.  Reminds me of Bill Maher talking about religion.

In any case, the amount of words I have written on this thread is embarrassing.  The NFL is what it is, and I like to bet on it.  So that is where it stands.  At least I got some typing practice out of this exercise.

The only question that is important in my mind is this: of the teams I listed above, in post #1, what do any of them have to lose in bringing a guy like Tebow in?  They all already blow, so what is the risk there?

1. I never said Davis didn't play a big part of those SB wins. Hell, I wasn't even the one who brought those up initially. My point is why it's ok to raise those question but when it comes to Tebow, some people seem to take much offense to it? In addition, I still believe Elway made the right choice in bringing Manning to replace Tebow. Unless you disagree, it's a moot point.

2. No, I don't have a crystal ball so I don't know for sure how he is going to perform in his 2nd year if given the chance so I never said he is not capable of being effective. I do however believe Elway made the right choice. If you want to talk about a bold move, Elway took a HUGH risk in bringing Manning in, especially with the price tag and his injury history.

3. No, I never said his supporters are stupid. They are just being fans of that player. Actually, I do the same thing(different sport) but I also realize I will probably not be the most objective person on the subject.

I think we already discuss why teams are hesitated to bring him in, especially after last year. Job security is not the strongest selling point in NFL, so I am more inclined to think GMs and coaches are more than willing to give him a chance if they truly believe he could help their teams. Apparently, most if not all don't think he's worth it.

We just have to disagree on reasons why he isn't given the chance and I don't believe it's because people around NFL just don't want to see him succeed.

1)  Sounds good.  For the record, if I was Elway and had a chance to bring in Peyton Manning, then I would have done it as well. Peyton is a great QB no question about that.

2)  It was a big risk to bring in Manning.  I am curious on when the Broncos fans will see the Peyton Manning move as being a success? I imagine it is "Superbowl or Bust"...and if Manning gets hurt, they may be down for awhile.

3)  Agreed.  I am a Redwings fan, so I am usually anti-ref when my guys get sent to the box.

Any way you slice it, Tebow is a polarizing figure.  Most people either think he stinks, or think he is a winner....very little middle ground.  I agree with you, that we will have to disagree on why he doesn't have a contract.   

Who the f**k is Skip Bayless??

The Vince Young craze was 5-7 years ago, that is why there is not a bunch of VY threads.  Yesterday's news....and the media has checked out on the guy and taken him out of the headlines.

Vince was a punk off of the field, and threw temper tantrums in the locker room; I guess the know-it-alls in the NFL decided that Vince didn't bring enough to the table to offset him being on the rag all of time. 

Agree with you on Cutler...Roethlisberger has Superbowl Rings so anything short of murder and he is starting.

Bottom line is Tebow is not getting a legit shot to play...but he has made some cash, and his name sells, so it won't be a problem for him to earn a good living.  At the end of the day, being put out to stud with a few million bucks at age 25 isn't too bad of deal.

I have no idea what your last line means.

Ok, I get it.....completely disagree, but I get it.