I've been pondering this all morning and it's really bothering me so I wanted to get everybody's take....
Some bettors -- like Vanzack -- have talked about betting to achieve aggressive goals. For example: Maybe I have a $10,000 bankroll that I can risk losing (probably assuming that there is some other heavy cash elsewhere.) So, trusting the relative success of my handicapping, I wager 10 units or, $1000, on every bet with a goal of reaching $20,000. Obviously, I plan on making the goal but if I don't it's OK because I can start with another similar bankroll soon.
This is a sharp contrast to the way I believe many of us wager. Most of us -- I think -- would take the same $10,000 and bet one unit on every game, or $100. This way, we feel safe knowing we are minimizing risk. We also feel confident there will be consistent long-term growth.
Anyhow, there is probably a simple mathematical answer to the following question but it is still too early in the day for me to figure it out: Assuming the same handicapping success and wealth, which of the two strategies is most effective? Did anyone think one was better but tried the other and changed their mind? All comments and feedback are appreciated.
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I've been pondering this all morning and it's really bothering me so I wanted to get everybody's take....
Some bettors -- like Vanzack -- have talked about betting to achieve aggressive goals. For example: Maybe I have a $10,000 bankroll that I can risk losing (probably assuming that there is some other heavy cash elsewhere.) So, trusting the relative success of my handicapping, I wager 10 units or, $1000, on every bet with a goal of reaching $20,000. Obviously, I plan on making the goal but if I don't it's OK because I can start with another similar bankroll soon.
This is a sharp contrast to the way I believe many of us wager. Most of us -- I think -- would take the same $10,000 and bet one unit on every game, or $100. This way, we feel safe knowing we are minimizing risk. We also feel confident there will be consistent long-term growth.
Anyhow, there is probably a simple mathematical answer to the following question but it is still too early in the day for me to figure it out: Assuming the same handicapping success and wealth, which of the two strategies is most effective? Did anyone think one was better but tried the other and changed their mind? All comments and feedback are appreciated.
I think the long run 1% to 5% of your bankroll is right. Based on your winning percentage in any given sport I think you can increase or decrease your bet size. Betting 10% on each game is insane even if your a 70% winner.
On the other hand vanzack is no fool, he knows what he is doing and his potential. So what works for him may not work for an average or slightly above average capper.
Look at Alan Boston, he makes a living off college hoops and his strategy is to basically bet it all every week. This strategy works for him because he is an excellent capper, he knows the hoops better than the players and the coaches. But betting it all every week will bust 99% of cappers.
I think you really have to be seasoned and confident to take the aggresive approach.
Also, I am a bankroll nit, I haven't added to my roll in probably 6 years. I move it from poker accounts to sportsbetting accounts and slowly let it grow. To me that's the right way but that's just my opinion based on my winning potential.
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I think the long run 1% to 5% of your bankroll is right. Based on your winning percentage in any given sport I think you can increase or decrease your bet size. Betting 10% on each game is insane even if your a 70% winner.
On the other hand vanzack is no fool, he knows what he is doing and his potential. So what works for him may not work for an average or slightly above average capper.
Look at Alan Boston, he makes a living off college hoops and his strategy is to basically bet it all every week. This strategy works for him because he is an excellent capper, he knows the hoops better than the players and the coaches. But betting it all every week will bust 99% of cappers.
I think you really have to be seasoned and confident to take the aggresive approach.
Also, I am a bankroll nit, I haven't added to my roll in probably 6 years. I move it from poker accounts to sportsbetting accounts and slowly let it grow. To me that's the right way but that's just my opinion based on my winning potential.
Yeah, I guess there is a direct correlation between success and using the aggressive strategy.
If you know your average win percentage and average profit, you can calculate your standard deviation (see what your highest highs and lowest lows are) and determine whether you can clean house with the aggressive approach.
But I think the interesting aspect of all this is how some of the bettors who do the aggressive approach are willing to risk the bankroll and I assume do lose it all from time to time.
I would still love to get more feedback on this...
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Yeah, I guess there is a direct correlation between success and using the aggressive strategy.
If you know your average win percentage and average profit, you can calculate your standard deviation (see what your highest highs and lowest lows are) and determine whether you can clean house with the aggressive approach.
But I think the interesting aspect of all this is how some of the bettors who do the aggressive approach are willing to risk the bankroll and I assume do lose it all from time to time.
I would still love to get more feedback on this...
Yes most average bettors will risk it all on one play to come back from a losing streak. I think cappers mostly forget that successful betting is 60% bankroll managment and 40% picking winners.
good post and discussion lanastasis. I hope more people get in on this too.
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Yes most average bettors will risk it all on one play to come back from a losing streak. I think cappers mostly forget that successful betting is 60% bankroll managment and 40% picking winners.
good post and discussion lanastasis. I hope more people get in on this too.
Aggressive approach. Low volume high % plays The only way for me to attain this is by only wagering from Mid November-Superbowl. By this point in time during the NFL season, team profiles have formed and my handicapping strategies revolve around recent Home/Away form of a team, together with solid power ratings By this time you know what teams are doing Offensively and Defensively. It gets more predictable as the season rolls on.
To me, the early stages of anything is a crap shoot .The important thing for me is my experience, and record keeping on all games that have won me money in the past.This gives me a better gauge of future games and what to look for......and also what to stay away from. I am a firm believer in history repeating itself, and when I see the same set of #'s on an underdog that has a chance of winning the game out right. I will not hesitate to pull the trigger.Confidence in my plays has a lot to do with my aggressive style of wagering.
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Aggressive approach. Low volume high % plays The only way for me to attain this is by only wagering from Mid November-Superbowl. By this point in time during the NFL season, team profiles have formed and my handicapping strategies revolve around recent Home/Away form of a team, together with solid power ratings By this time you know what teams are doing Offensively and Defensively. It gets more predictable as the season rolls on.
To me, the early stages of anything is a crap shoot .The important thing for me is my experience, and record keeping on all games that have won me money in the past.This gives me a better gauge of future games and what to look for......and also what to stay away from. I am a firm believer in history repeating itself, and when I see the same set of #'s on an underdog that has a chance of winning the game out right. I will not hesitate to pull the trigger.Confidence in my plays has a lot to do with my aggressive style of wagering.
Thats exactly how I got to where I am now. By the time I became patient &disciplined enough to attain this MM strategy. I had recorded many of the plays that have won me money in the past.This strategy increased my bankroll which in turn led me to increase my % per game. Of course you have to be able tohave exp capping games and attain a positive win %.
Thats exactly how I got to where I am now. By the time I became patient &disciplined enough to attain this MM strategy. I had recorded many of the plays that have won me money in the past.This strategy increased my bankroll which in turn led me to increase my % per game. Of course you have to be able tohave exp capping games and attain a positive win %.
Should read :"This strategy increased my bankroll,which in turn led me to increase my % per game on certain games only.
I would never risk all or even half of my roll on one play, thats ludicris.The plays that I do go aggressive on or risk more than my normal % on are very soilid plays. I call them "Superior Scheduled Dog Plays"...its a scheduling thing, they never lose, but then again there might only be very few of these plays per year within a very small window toward the later stages of any NFL & NCAA FB and CBB season (march madness only ) that come up on the radar.that you can do this
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Should read :"This strategy increased my bankroll,which in turn led me to increase my % per game on certain games only.
I would never risk all or even half of my roll on one play, thats ludicris.The plays that I do go aggressive on or risk more than my normal % on are very soilid plays. I call them "Superior Scheduled Dog Plays"...its a scheduling thing, they never lose, but then again there might only be very few of these plays per year within a very small window toward the later stages of any NFL & NCAA FB and CBB season (march madness only ) that come up on the radar.that you can do this
* For starters, don't bet period unless you have found something that works in the long run.
* Bet low to medium units on what works for a year or two to build some serious logs of what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong.
* After a while, you've been crunching your own numbers and now you really know what works. Eliminate everything but your most consistent plays and begin the aggressive approach.
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Good stuff, wizerguy.
The consensus I have reached is this:
* For starters, don't bet period unless you have found something that works in the long run.
* Bet low to medium units on what works for a year or two to build some serious logs of what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong.
* After a while, you've been crunching your own numbers and now you really know what works. Eliminate everything but your most consistent plays and begin the aggressive approach.
* For starters, don't bet period unless you have found something that works in the long run.
* Bet low to medium units on what works for a year or two to build some serious logs of what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong.
* After a while, you've been crunching your own numbers and now you really know what works. Eliminate everything but your most consistent plays and begin the aggressive approach.
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you got it like white on rice my friend
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Quote Originally Posted by lanastasis:
Good stuff, wizerguy.
The consensus I have reached is this:
* For starters, don't bet period unless you have found something that works in the long run.
* Bet low to medium units on what works for a year or two to build some serious logs of what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong.
* After a while, you've been crunching your own numbers and now you really know what works. Eliminate everything but your most consistent plays and begin the aggressive approach.
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