Are these the same unions forcing all the good jobs overseas? Are you familiar with the clerk union strike in the Long Beach Port? Do you know what they were offered? Absolute insanity. Low level paper pushers making WAY over $100,000 (estimated to be close to 200k with benefits) with ELEVEN weeks off.
Are these the same unions forcing all the good jobs overseas? Are you familiar with the clerk union strike in the Long Beach Port? Do you know what they were offered? Absolute insanity. Low level paper pushers making WAY over $100,000 (estimated to be close to 200k with benefits) with ELEVEN weeks off.
I never once said that there wasnt bad unions. There are good unions and bad ones and if what you say is true, then i would consider that union a bad one. 100k to push papers is plain wrong, at least in my opinion.
Even if all the unions vanished which is what corporations would love, that doesnt mean they will suddenly say lets lower prices and pass the savings on to the consumer. That will never happen in a million years. The people at the top of the food chain, will just make more, while more people are out of work.
If thats what some people want to happen, then by all means keep rooting for unions to vanish.
I never once said that there wasnt bad unions. There are good unions and bad ones and if what you say is true, then i would consider that union a bad one. 100k to push papers is plain wrong, at least in my opinion.
Even if all the unions vanished which is what corporations would love, that doesnt mean they will suddenly say lets lower prices and pass the savings on to the consumer. That will never happen in a million years. The people at the top of the food chain, will just make more, while more people are out of work.
If thats what some people want to happen, then by all means keep rooting for unions to vanish.
Its funny, while the twinkies workers were giving back things, the fatcats were filling their pockets with more money, then they turn around and blame the workers for the company going under
great society we live in, where nobody cares about anybody else. Those corporate pigs didnt give a garbage about the guy working the line, just cared about what they could get from the company before it went under. Anybody that cheers this kind of garbage, really isnt a true American
Its funny, while the twinkies workers were giving back things, the fatcats were filling their pockets with more money, then they turn around and blame the workers for the company going under
great society we live in, where nobody cares about anybody else. Those corporate pigs didnt give a garbage about the guy working the line, just cared about what they could get from the company before it went under. Anybody that cheers this kind of garbage, really isnt a true American
Are these the same unions forcing all the good jobs overseas? Are you familiar with the clerk union strike in the Long Beach Port? Do you know what they were offered? Absolute insanity. Low level paper pushers making WAY over $100,000 (estimated to be close to 200k with benefits) with ELEVEN weeks off.
Ok we get it...
You are jealous because they make alot more money then you...
Im sure you will make up some contrived story attempting to portray an image of wealth...
Are these the same unions forcing all the good jobs overseas? Are you familiar with the clerk union strike in the Long Beach Port? Do you know what they were offered? Absolute insanity. Low level paper pushers making WAY over $100,000 (estimated to be close to 200k with benefits) with ELEVEN weeks off.
Ok we get it...
You are jealous because they make alot more money then you...
Im sure you will make up some contrived story attempting to portray an image of wealth...
Labour unions are legal and serve some useful functions. They improve safety, working conditions and wages of employees. Higher labour costs force employers to become more cost efficient. But weak employers go out of business.
As percentage of work force, unions have been in decline for decades as they become less relevant in modern economy. Unions survived more in the public sector than in private sector. Unfortunately, this leads to higher taxes.
Labour unions are legal and serve some useful functions. They improve safety, working conditions and wages of employees. Higher labour costs force employers to become more cost efficient. But weak employers go out of business.
As percentage of work force, unions have been in decline for decades as they become less relevant in modern economy. Unions survived more in the public sector than in private sector. Unfortunately, this leads to higher taxes.
I stop reading the article when the writter said :
"But unions came into being because company owners weren't sharing enough of their companies' wealth with the rank-and-file employees who helped produce it."
I stop reading the article when the writter said :
"But unions came into being because company owners weren't sharing enough of their companies' wealth with the rank-and-file employees who helped produce it."
that and to organize enough pull to land themselves further up the food chain of political privilege,,,,,,
this is the 21st century, unions are outdated technology that adds unnecessary costs and serve little function of value. Anyone that has any experience working in the real world knows how poor the quality of work is that comes from union shops
that and to organize enough pull to land themselves further up the food chain of political privilege,,,,,,
this is the 21st century, unions are outdated technology that adds unnecessary costs and serve little function of value. Anyone that has any experience working in the real world knows how poor the quality of work is that comes from union shops
Its clear some of you meatheads didnt read the article and fully understand it, but thats okay. I guess with all unions gone, you guys will get your rocks off knowing the fatcats at the top of the food chain will make even more money. You guys keep sitting around waiting for companies to lower prices for you,lmfaoooooo.
And to you beeasy, i say screw you. you know jack garbage. am sure a union worker can perform better then some strung out junkie dope user like yourself. Your all talk beeasy, blah blah blah.
you must still be pissed off at the unions because you couldnt become a member, due to having to take a drug test. so instead your stuck in life working dead end jobs for lousy pay, while being jealous of others making more then you. loser
keep puffing away, you got a bright future flipping burgers
Its clear some of you meatheads didnt read the article and fully understand it, but thats okay. I guess with all unions gone, you guys will get your rocks off knowing the fatcats at the top of the food chain will make even more money. You guys keep sitting around waiting for companies to lower prices for you,lmfaoooooo.
And to you beeasy, i say screw you. you know jack garbage. am sure a union worker can perform better then some strung out junkie dope user like yourself. Your all talk beeasy, blah blah blah.
you must still be pissed off at the unions because you couldnt become a member, due to having to take a drug test. so instead your stuck in life working dead end jobs for lousy pay, while being jealous of others making more then you. loser
keep puffing away, you got a bright future flipping burgers
Don, your right, these meatheads somehow think they are in the top 2 percent. They must believe if they do that long enough, some rich person will take them under their wing
These fools are gonna pass down to their kids and grandkids, low paying jobs in poor working conditions. bravo guys job well done. keep blaming the unions, they are the cause of everything in the world. They probably think unions are the reason Iran is building a nuke, lmfaoooooooooooo. am sure thats what fox news via the corporations told them to believe
Don, your right, these meatheads somehow think they are in the top 2 percent. They must believe if they do that long enough, some rich person will take them under their wing
These fools are gonna pass down to their kids and grandkids, low paying jobs in poor working conditions. bravo guys job well done. keep blaming the unions, they are the cause of everything in the world. They probably think unions are the reason Iran is building a nuke, lmfaoooooooooooo. am sure thats what fox news via the corporations told them to believe
Be easy,the only thing worse than private sector unions is Government unions ..."there are over 459,000 federal workers who earn over $100,000 “in salary alone, before overtime and benefits.”...
The authors of the new book ....Shadowbosses: Government Unions Control America and Rob Taxpayers Blind ..reveal that AFSCME boss Gerald McEntee earns $555,367/year, National Education Association president Dennis Van Roekel earns $400,000, and American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten takes home $425,000 before doubtless impressive benefits..
Pay is high for many reasons, but the biggest has to do with what the authors call “forced dues” that enable unions to in many states collect on government worker earnings regardless of whether or not they’re union members.
Be easy,the only thing worse than private sector unions is Government unions ..."there are over 459,000 federal workers who earn over $100,000 “in salary alone, before overtime and benefits.”...
The authors of the new book ....Shadowbosses: Government Unions Control America and Rob Taxpayers Blind ..reveal that AFSCME boss Gerald McEntee earns $555,367/year, National Education Association president Dennis Van Roekel earns $400,000, and American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten takes home $425,000 before doubtless impressive benefits..
Pay is high for many reasons, but the biggest has to do with what the authors call “forced dues” that enable unions to in many states collect on government worker earnings regardless of whether or not they’re union members.
same drivel from a useless member of society. sits at home collecting his social security check, while bashing the system that puts money in his pocket.
Really surprised you havent pased away yet from that awful illness, you bullshitted everybody with a while back
Running to beeasy for support, now thats funny. maybe you 2 can hit a bong together and play in the spider farm.
same drivel from a useless member of society. sits at home collecting his social security check, while bashing the system that puts money in his pocket.
Really surprised you havent pased away yet from that awful illness, you bullshitted everybody with a while back
Running to beeasy for support, now thats funny. maybe you 2 can hit a bong together and play in the spider farm.
I stop reading the article when the writter said :
"But unions came into being because company owners weren't sharing enough of their companies' wealth with the rank-and-file employees who helped produce it."
...they came into being to collect dues..
wrong as usual. I feel sorry for you. Its must drive you crazy knowing that you are never right on any subject you ty to talk about just useless drivel
I stop reading the article when the writter said :
"But unions came into being because company owners weren't sharing enough of their companies' wealth with the rank-and-file employees who helped produce it."
...they came into being to collect dues..
wrong as usual. I feel sorry for you. Its must drive you crazy knowing that you are never right on any subject you ty to talk about just useless drivel
You are jealous because they make alot more money then you...
Im sure you will make up some contrived story attempting to portray an image of wealth...
either that your run like a coward
Perhaps insult my intelligence
It's truly pathetic that you are unable to debate any topic whatsoever on its merits. Do you think that pay is justified for clerks? They sure as hell make a lot more money THAN you do. What's your point?
You do a tremendous job of insulting your own 'intelligence'.
You are jealous because they make alot more money then you...
Im sure you will make up some contrived story attempting to portray an image of wealth...
either that your run like a coward
Perhaps insult my intelligence
It's truly pathetic that you are unable to debate any topic whatsoever on its merits. Do you think that pay is justified for clerks? They sure as hell make a lot more money THAN you do. What's your point?
You do a tremendous job of insulting your own 'intelligence'.
Do you know what's amazing. These clowns that are against Obama and his policies for the middle class..
ARE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS ! They think they're in the top 2 percent !!.
Is that the epitome of hypocrisy, OR WHAT ?
That actually is the most astonishing thing about this entire conservative section of the forum. They all think they have this inflated image of wealth like splande and sara etc.. Multiple doctorates, MBAs, dentist degrees....
Do you know what's amazing. These clowns that are against Obama and his policies for the middle class..
ARE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS ! They think they're in the top 2 percent !!.
Is that the epitome of hypocrisy, OR WHAT ?
That actually is the most astonishing thing about this entire conservative section of the forum. They all think they have this inflated image of wealth like splande and sara etc.. Multiple doctorates, MBAs, dentist degrees....
It is ok for people to disagree about the usefulness of unions.
Unions are not the bane of enterprise, and they are not the savior of the working class. They are groups of people. And since people are not perfect, the groups are not perfect. It is perfectly normal to have a tribal reaction with "in groups" or "out groups", but it is more productive to find common ground.
Let's find some common ground.
Can we all accept that unions have played an integral role in our history in attaining labor laws?
Can we also accept that union labor is more expensive, and generally a headache for management, due to union bylaws, (and in some cases, really stupid, really expensive bylaws)?
Example: the break room attendant who gets paid scale to monitor and clean the break room.
It is ok for people to disagree about the usefulness of unions.
Unions are not the bane of enterprise, and they are not the savior of the working class. They are groups of people. And since people are not perfect, the groups are not perfect. It is perfectly normal to have a tribal reaction with "in groups" or "out groups", but it is more productive to find common ground.
Let's find some common ground.
Can we all accept that unions have played an integral role in our history in attaining labor laws?
Can we also accept that union labor is more expensive, and generally a headache for management, due to union bylaws, (and in some cases, really stupid, really expensive bylaws)?
Example: the break room attendant who gets paid scale to monitor and clean the break room.
What exactly are these Obama policies for the middle class you're referring to...?
Welfare dependency and food stamps ?
..or Obama's policy mantra of "tax the rich "....that alone should be a trip wire to all of us ..as Michael Darda, chief economist at MKM Partners LLC in Stamford Conn. say's: Don’t confuse U.S. President Obama's’s “tax fairness” with real revenue. “About three-quarters of the revenue loss from the Bush tax cuts came from everything below the top two brackets” ....
To get the revenue's Obama's talking about ..Obama's long term policy for the middle-class is to raise their taxes next...
What exactly are these Obama policies for the middle class you're referring to...?
Welfare dependency and food stamps ?
..or Obama's policy mantra of "tax the rich "....that alone should be a trip wire to all of us ..as Michael Darda, chief economist at MKM Partners LLC in Stamford Conn. say's: Don’t confuse U.S. President Obama's’s “tax fairness” with real revenue. “About three-quarters of the revenue loss from the Bush tax cuts came from everything below the top two brackets” ....
To get the revenue's Obama's talking about ..Obama's long term policy for the middle-class is to raise their taxes next...
It's truly pathetic that you are unable to debate any topic whatsoever on its merits. Do you think that pay is justified for clerks? They sure as hell make a lot more money THAN you do. What's your point?
You do a tremendous job of insulting your own 'intelligence'.
there was the the intelligence insult... when ever he is insecure that comes out, if not there would be no reason to engage in combative and insulting posting... his "Tell" is so obvious...
As for the topic... Their pay is simply what they negotiated... Really simply as that... Just like any thing else...
your jealously of these clerks making more then you appears to really be getting under your skin...
It's truly pathetic that you are unable to debate any topic whatsoever on its merits. Do you think that pay is justified for clerks? They sure as hell make a lot more money THAN you do. What's your point?
You do a tremendous job of insulting your own 'intelligence'.
there was the the intelligence insult... when ever he is insecure that comes out, if not there would be no reason to engage in combative and insulting posting... his "Tell" is so obvious...
As for the topic... Their pay is simply what they negotiated... Really simply as that... Just like any thing else...
your jealously of these clerks making more then you appears to really be getting under your skin...
Like Rick said Unions have their good points and bad points.
You guys act like unions are not corrupt and greedy like the CEO's or owners that run the companies.
Common denominator is greed on both sides. Execs trying to line their pockets at the expense of the employees and unions making ridiculous demands that hurt their base more than help.
Our whole system is fucked from top to bottom and you lemmings argue like one side is so much better than the other.
Democrats or republicans, they go different routes but they eventually take us to the same destination, collapse.
Like Rick said Unions have their good points and bad points.
You guys act like unions are not corrupt and greedy like the CEO's or owners that run the companies.
Common denominator is greed on both sides. Execs trying to line their pockets at the expense of the employees and unions making ridiculous demands that hurt their base more than help.
Our whole system is fucked from top to bottom and you lemmings argue like one side is so much better than the other.
Democrats or republicans, they go different routes but they eventually take us to the same destination, collapse.
Esp.. But nobody can insult your intelligence. How can they ?
Dear senior citizen,
I responded to the topic with a factual statement of union wages. Your grandson replied from deep in the peanut gallery with an unnecessary abrasion. In doing so, he for the umpteenth time, displayed his poor grammar, lack of logical reasoning, and insecurity. I'm sure he appreciates you coming to his aid as he obviously isn't getting it done on his own, but your comment has again contributed nothing to the topic.
Esp.. But nobody can insult your intelligence. How can they ?
Dear senior citizen,
I responded to the topic with a factual statement of union wages. Your grandson replied from deep in the peanut gallery with an unnecessary abrasion. In doing so, he for the umpteenth time, displayed his poor grammar, lack of logical reasoning, and insecurity. I'm sure he appreciates you coming to his aid as he obviously isn't getting it done on his own, but your comment has again contributed nothing to the topic.
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