So-the country's failed drug policy is responsible for a free thinking person saying yes to drugs? Just clarifying your position- My position is....we all have the freedom to say yes or no to drugs-if we say yes, then we deal with the consequences- looking in the mirror for an answer-
most are responsible for those decisions, not all.
but to talk about the negative consequences of the decision to use drugs and ignore the negative consequences of the war on drugs really doesn;t begin to address the issue.
So-the country's failed drug policy is responsible for a free thinking person saying yes to drugs? Just clarifying your position- My position is....we all have the freedom to say yes or no to drugs-if we say yes, then we deal with the consequences- looking in the mirror for an answer-
most are responsible for those decisions, not all.
but to talk about the negative consequences of the decision to use drugs and ignore the negative consequences of the war on drugs really doesn;t begin to address the issue.
We run into people who get prescribed these drugs by doctors and get hooked that way. Lady we have now had a serious back injury as a kid and was given serious painkillers. She builds up an immunity for 15 years, loses her insurance and the state wants to put her in jail for possessing pills without a prescription? Your war on drugs at work.
We run into people who get prescribed these drugs by doctors and get hooked that way. Lady we have now had a serious back injury as a kid and was given serious painkillers. She builds up an immunity for 15 years, loses her insurance and the state wants to put her in jail for possessing pills without a prescription? Your war on drugs at work.
Yeah I hear ya... On one hand, docs are supposed to take pain seriously-the patient is always right- never underestimate their pain- So you treat it.... Now it's the docs fault that the patient is addicted to pain meds... Got it.....
Another deflection- always someone else's fault... Drug addicts are drug addicts-sorry.....
Sometimes starts as pain relief, but ends up as a lifelong, destructive addiction-
Try this for fun- Shut down the local pain clinic for 2 weeks- Many if not most have BS pain claims and are there for the Rx- I've seen pain, treated pain- open compound fractures-major surgical incisions-and they ask for less-
Yeah I hear ya... On one hand, docs are supposed to take pain seriously-the patient is always right- never underestimate their pain- So you treat it.... Now it's the docs fault that the patient is addicted to pain meds... Got it.....
Another deflection- always someone else's fault... Drug addicts are drug addicts-sorry.....
Sometimes starts as pain relief, but ends up as a lifelong, destructive addiction-
Try this for fun- Shut down the local pain clinic for 2 weeks- Many if not most have BS pain claims and are there for the Rx- I've seen pain, treated pain- open compound fractures-major surgical incisions-and they ask for less-
He rose to chairman of pain medicine and palliative care at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York. His small office is studded with awards and evidence of his offbeat sense of humor. He prominently displays a magazine mock-up that jokingly dubs him "The King of Pain."
Dr. Portenoy helped write a landmark 1996 consensus statement by two professional pain societies that said there was little risk of addiction or overdose among pain patients. In lectures he cited the statistic that less than 1% of opioid users became addicted.
Dr. Portenoy and Beth Israel declined to provide details of their funding by drug companies. A 2007 fundraising prospectus from Dr. Portenoy's program shows that his program received millions of dollars over the preceding decade in funding from opioid makers including Endo, Abbott Laboratories, Cephalon, Purdue Pharma andJohnson & Johnson.
After spending most of his professional life advocating greater use of the drugs, Dr. Portenoy said there is still little research to show whether patients who embark on long-term opioid therapy will ever be able to stop.
"It goes in the face of everything you've learned," he said. "You saw other doctors come around to it and saying, 'Oh my God, what are we doing?'"
Drug companies took notice. In 1996, Purdue Pharma LP released OxyContin, a form of oxycodone in a patented, time-release form, and rivals followed suit. Today, sales of opioid painkillers total more than $9 billion a year, according to IMS Health, which tracks sales for drug companies.
In 2007, Purdue Pharma and three executives pleaded guilty to "misbranding" of the drug as less addictive and less subject to abuse than other pain medicines and paid $635 million in fines.
He rose to chairman of pain medicine and palliative care at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York. His small office is studded with awards and evidence of his offbeat sense of humor. He prominently displays a magazine mock-up that jokingly dubs him "The King of Pain."
Dr. Portenoy helped write a landmark 1996 consensus statement by two professional pain societies that said there was little risk of addiction or overdose among pain patients. In lectures he cited the statistic that less than 1% of opioid users became addicted.
Dr. Portenoy and Beth Israel declined to provide details of their funding by drug companies. A 2007 fundraising prospectus from Dr. Portenoy's program shows that his program received millions of dollars over the preceding decade in funding from opioid makers including Endo, Abbott Laboratories, Cephalon, Purdue Pharma andJohnson & Johnson.
After spending most of his professional life advocating greater use of the drugs, Dr. Portenoy said there is still little research to show whether patients who embark on long-term opioid therapy will ever be able to stop.
"It goes in the face of everything you've learned," he said. "You saw other doctors come around to it and saying, 'Oh my God, what are we doing?'"
Drug companies took notice. In 1996, Purdue Pharma LP released OxyContin, a form of oxycodone in a patented, time-release form, and rivals followed suit. Today, sales of opioid painkillers total more than $9 billion a year, according to IMS Health, which tracks sales for drug companies.
In 2007, Purdue Pharma and three executives pleaded guilty to "misbranding" of the drug as less addictive and less subject to abuse than other pain medicines and paid $635 million in fines.
The best part about that is the black market for opiates... unlike THC they can still hold the monopoly on manufacturing it and flood the nation with it...
and the same time time stay clear of the crime, violence, and issues associated with it....
Its always funny how there are group of people that want science to be accurate and real and those that fight hard to make sure it is not
The best part about that is the black market for opiates... unlike THC they can still hold the monopoly on manufacturing it and flood the nation with it...
and the same time time stay clear of the crime, violence, and issues associated with it....
Its always funny how there are group of people that want science to be accurate and real and those that fight hard to make sure it is not
Pfizer (PFE) will pay a record $2.3 billion fine and plead guilty to one felony count to settle federal criminal and civil charges that it illegally promoted its Bextra painkiller and other drugs.
Pfizer sent doctors on all-expense-paid trips to resorts, gave out free massages, and paid kickbacks to doctors, all to get them to prescribe its drugs for off-label uses.
"Time will tell" whether the Pfizer fine will stop other companies from unlawful promotions, said Scott Simmer, an attorney with Blank Rome who represents three of the whistleblowers involved in the settlement. "I do believe these practices are endemic throughout the industry."
Pfizer (PFE) will pay a record $2.3 billion fine and plead guilty to one felony count to settle federal criminal and civil charges that it illegally promoted its Bextra painkiller and other drugs.
Pfizer sent doctors on all-expense-paid trips to resorts, gave out free massages, and paid kickbacks to doctors, all to get them to prescribe its drugs for off-label uses.
"Time will tell" whether the Pfizer fine will stop other companies from unlawful promotions, said Scott Simmer, an attorney with Blank Rome who represents three of the whistleblowers involved in the settlement. "I do believe these practices are endemic throughout the industry."
But you raise good points... In the early to mid 90s the push was to treat pain aggressively- with the threat of malpractice for failing to do so lingering- Now you want to charge malpractice for treating pain aggressively... Funny how a few years changes the landscape...
As for kickbacks- for several years now- 4 or 5- any benefit a physician receives from a pharmaceutical company in excess of $50 (I think) must be reported- not only by the pharmaceutical company but also the physician-so those days are over... I'm not sure of the exact numbers above because I always turned the reps away- never talked to them- because of their bullshIt programmed speeches.....
But you raise good points... In the early to mid 90s the push was to treat pain aggressively- with the threat of malpractice for failing to do so lingering- Now you want to charge malpractice for treating pain aggressively... Funny how a few years changes the landscape...
As for kickbacks- for several years now- 4 or 5- any benefit a physician receives from a pharmaceutical company in excess of $50 (I think) must be reported- not only by the pharmaceutical company but also the physician-so those days are over... I'm not sure of the exact numbers above because I always turned the reps away- never talked to them- because of their bullshIt programmed speeches.....
Yeah I hear ya... On one hand, docs are supposed to take pain seriously-the patient is always right- never underestimate their pain- So you treat it.... Now it's the docs fault that the patient is addicted to pain meds... Got it.....
Another deflection- always someone else's fault... Drug addicts are drug addicts-sorry.....
Sometimes starts as pain relief, but ends up as a lifelong, destructive addiction-
Try this for fun- Shut down the local pain clinic for 2 weeks- Many if not most have BS pain claims and are there for the Rx- I've seen pain, treated pain- open compound fractures-major surgical incisions-and they ask for less-
i think that's an oversimplication, not only of my post but of the issue of drug addiction, the doctor's role and the war on drugs.
Yeah I hear ya... On one hand, docs are supposed to take pain seriously-the patient is always right- never underestimate their pain- So you treat it.... Now it's the docs fault that the patient is addicted to pain meds... Got it.....
Another deflection- always someone else's fault... Drug addicts are drug addicts-sorry.....
Sometimes starts as pain relief, but ends up as a lifelong, destructive addiction-
Try this for fun- Shut down the local pain clinic for 2 weeks- Many if not most have BS pain claims and are there for the Rx- I've seen pain, treated pain- open compound fractures-major surgical incisions-and they ask for less-
i think that's an oversimplication, not only of my post but of the issue of drug addiction, the doctor's role and the war on drugs.
Club- It may be an oversimplification- But my question stands? What % of those addicted are taking THEIR medications and taking them specifically as prescribed? Not sure those numbers are readily available- but I'll dig deeper tomorrow to see if they have been published....
Club- It may be an oversimplification- But my question stands? What % of those addicted are taking THEIR medications and taking them specifically as prescribed? Not sure those numbers are readily available- but I'll dig deeper tomorrow to see if they have been published....
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