Charlie Kirk - T & P thread

@DeezyAZ81

 This is the first i've heard the name Lance Twiggs. I don't watch Fox News. I first posted about the LGBTQ+ connection here on Friday night, after seeing a picture someone posted of the killer rocking both a traditional pride flag and a trans pride flag. Then I saw a story about a boyfriend who was transitioning. Figured where there's smoke, there's fire. You're on top of it. Keep it coming. 

Fox News, Hindustan Times, The India Times, and the New York Post were the only outlets presenting the name Lance Twiggs as being the trans roommate/lover yesterday. You be the judge of those outlets. Twiggs appears to be trolling and playing the media and the right and they are falling for it. I am unsure of why the gender identity and lifestyle of a roommate or lover matters anyway as it pertains to the shooter. Even if there is a roommate or lover (which I doubt), they are not being investigated or charged with any crimes related to the shooting. What difference does it make? We never hear about other killers or mass shooters potential partner's lifestyle or ideologies, why should it matter in this case? I know why because the right and right wing media cannot cope with the truth so narratives must be developed to justify the tragedy and pin blame on the left without getting to the root cause of the issue. 

The sexual orientation of the suspect/partner shouldn't matter but a current narrative du jour being pushed is that trans/LGBTQ+ people are prone to being batshit, seeing as how the whole mess of it is a mental disorder. And now trans people are lashing out. And said community has taken a few recent L's that have fueled that narrative. As Joe and WSC have both mentioned, both sides are clamoring to put this on the other. This political football is also a nuclear football, and both sides would love to possess it. On thr surface, it's establishing motive but none of these media outlets really give a damn about establishing the truth of this story. And they don't give a damn about Charlie Kirk.

Kash Patel also deserves to get fired after this whole thing is over - I will say though it is what have kept my interest for this case the most - how incompetent your law enforcement have worked in this case - at least how it has been potrayed - because have we heard about shootings in the US? Yeah pretty much every week over here and is it becoming kind of boring at this point hearing about people that get shot when it is clearly because of their own gun laws ? - yeah kind of ! But it is kind of wild how fast you have gone from an international  perceived “super power” the one we should all look to for guidance -to the biggest clown show on earth - what did it take 4-5 months 

Imagine how small things changes history - if Trump had tried starting a fashion wearing bulletproof vests as ear warmers we might have an alternative universe now - just as if Hitler had not cut one of his speeches short in the 1930’s he would have died to a bomb and ww2 would never had happened - Charlie Kirk would probably still be alive if he hadn’t wore a bulletproof vest - sometimes it is kind of insane stuff like that and how life plays out 

Survey of historians rank Trump as the worst president in executive appointments.  Incompetent Patel is another controversial pick.  In social media post, he claims suspect was in custody while Utah officials said shooter was still at large.  Suspect was only arrested after father identified him from FBI photos.  Early unverified tips were leaked to the public that claimed agents found engravings on ammunition.  Actually, no bullet casings were connected to transgender people.  

"I know why because the right and right wing media cannot cope with the truth so narratives must be developed to justify the tragedy and pin blame on the left without getting to the root cause of the issue."

Genuinely curious what truth they are not coping with?  I surmise something to do with guns but asking in earnest why you mean here.

#296

I have no horse in the race.  Motive, upbringing, saxuality, choice of cohabitation, etc don't really matter to me relative to driving 4 hours and shooting someone.

However, I do consume a lot of news from a wide variety of sources.  Where I disagree with the post under current media operating guidelines is that if only one is carrying a story it's for a reason but not in the direction you're steering.

I'm perfectly happy to play it out and see where it goes, but we've read this story a few times im the past.

And it continues........

USAToday; Southern Utah gun owners and families who browsed a major gun show here this weekend were tormented by the allegation that one of their own had gunned down conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

ONE OF THEIR OWN??? ANY MENTION OF THE CONSERVATIVE HATING TRANSGENDER PARTNER?? HELL NO!!! Shhhhhhhhh.

All those guns pictured at the gun show and not one of those guns tried to shoot anybody, they just sit there on the table. Hmmm, guess you need a human consumed with hate to make it happen.

Nice denial.

The shooter was attracked to transgender partners and isn't sad The Indian Times and Hindustan Times prints the truth before The USAToday, NYT, AP, etc. Pretty eye opening. And yes, the conservative hating partner is being fully investgated. 

IT IS THE LEFTWING MEDIA THAT CANNOT COPE WITH THE TRUTH. But they cannot hide from it. 

FOX NEWS; 

The trans roommate of Turning Point USA Founder Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin "hates conservatives and Christians," one of his relatives told Fox News Digital in an interview.

The 22-year-old, who has not been charged and whose name has not yet been released by authorities, was in a romantic relationship with suspect Tyler Robinson, also 22, according to the relative. She said he is in the process of transitioning from male to female.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, told Fox News Digital her relative began to act differently when he turned 18 and said that he developed a hatred of Christians and conservatives.

"He hates conservatives and Christians," the relative said. "He hated us. He was not raised that way, but he, over the years, has become really detached [and] been radicalized."

"He has obviously gotten progressively worse the last year or two," the relative said, adding that he's "always very angry."

Now let us see if this reporting stands the test of time. It will all come out. 

@UNIMAN

I saw that too but excluded from my post as I really want an extrapolated dialog about what truth is being denied.

Certainly Fox has their bias and agenda in reporting.  However, the tend to get the meat of the story correct more often (not always) than others.  The often mocked NY Post is also good in this regard.

However, they do what they do.  Make noise, point fingers, mock, and spin their wheels and then disappear or start a new story when the story catches up (Covid, Dementia, Rittenhouse, Penny, Nicholas Sandmann, Hunter's Laptop, Jan 6, Autopen, and several others).

@UNIMAN

@unplucked_gem

 I googled the name, "Lance Twiggs", that Deezy mentioned, and the pictures I saw were of a very twinkish gay man. A man who appears to be in the early stages of transitioning. I don't think anyone is "trolling" the media. I think this Lance and the roommate/lover are the same person. I think the story adds up.

To any of the Kirk followers I have a question, Why did Kirk feel it was a huge mistake” to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ? Face value it seems to me to be a horrible thing to espouse and worse to truthly believe in your mind…? Where is he coming from with this statement? Is there more to it? 

I think you're assuming that there are Kirk followers in thia conversation.

@joe pockets

 Follower like on Instagram and YT?  Follower like stop to stop on the campus tour?  Neither of those apply to me, but the dude spoke in facts, made a bunch of sense, and shouldn't have been assassinated.

So under that pretense, I was intrigued by the question and did a very rudimentary search to find his words.

https://youtu.be/2u40xUJnBeg?si=LgTkszi2OPwojOen

What resonates with me is 11:35 - 11:57, which actually isnt Charlie's words.  Charlie did offer that at least on paper the Civil Rights Act may not have been needed as the constitution grants "all men are created equally" which government found application fell short.

Again, an admitted rudimentary evaluation of an issue that im sure books with decades or research have been dedicated to.

https://youtube.com/shorts/EODVyUGfRN8?si=BRWxQcXpvU_mpUpb

@StumpTownStu

 So you pick and choose what you like about a man orating of stage or a soapbox and disregard the rest ? 

@unplucked_gem

 Excuse me but before the Civil Rights Act Americans were using different water fountains bus seats and toilets! If were to support a. Unpopular candidate in election there house or church went kaboom! Even southern boy like Johnson knew this was beyond wrong!

Isn't that how it works for anyone?  Im confused at your endgame.

Take your NFL posts yesterday.  I liked your Take on fields.  I didn't like your under dog position.  I turned out to be wrong about the underdog and feel no kind of way about it.

Ummm, the one you're directing this towards is dead, I'm just conveying words you could've looked up and offered no opinion outside temporary government programs historically becoming long term or permanent.

Joe, find me where I have said I like anything about Charlie Kirk. At best, i'm indifferent. I have been aware of him for years. I didn't pay a ton of attention. I watch a lotbof YouTube when i'm traveling, so I have seen some of his videos. I always found issue with him seemingly showcasing ignorant people, clearly unprepared for debate. It gives the impression that he's always on the right side of an issue, which is why his base tuned in. I was not a fan of Charlie Kirk. I feel he was just another cog in a massive propaganda wheel. That doesn't mean he didn't make some very valid points at times. And i'm for anyone who pushes self improvement through education, strong family bonds, and Christ.

[Quote: Originally Posted by UNIMAN]FOX NEWS;    The trans roommate of Turning Point USA Founder Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin "hates conservatives and Christians," one of his relatives told Fox News Digital in an interview.

You remain so gullible. When did Fox News write this? Saturday? What is the trans partner roommate's name? No one has leaked this? No neighbors or family members or the internet? It's not Lance Twiggs like you were claiming on Saturday. hahah.  Anyone seen this partner? They walked this lie back on air last night. Any pictures of this "transitioning partner"? It's funny you are still pushing this as Fox News took it back last night and claimed now Robinson just has a furry BF instead of a trans lover. You are so desperate to make this true and look absolutely foolish because you do no research at all, just keep riding with Fox Infotainment News from Saturday though. This kid in question is an effing gamer, and a furry who is trolling you and right wing media on social media as I write this and you keep eating it up. Again, Robinson's roommate, friend, or lover has nothing to do with this lunatic and his crime. He is a grown 22 year old man responsible for his own actions, which is why this fictional trans-lover has not been arrested or charged with a single crime. Get a grip. You are desperate and reaching to pin blame on legitimately anyone else other than the conservatively raised, Mormon, gun toting moron who did this. So said but it reflects how easily manipulated you are and how hard you want to create a story that helps you sleep at night. 

@DeezyAZ81

 Have you seen pictures of this Lance character? After you mentioned him, I googled him. Very twinkish. He looks like someone in the early stages of transitioning. I think Lance and the "trans lover" are one and the same. Doesn't matter to me, as I don't have a dog in this race but it will be interesting to see what details come out.

Oh, so true. Have seen many biased Fox articles. If you have half a brain you can see through the noise. As far as disappear that's the way the world works. All media does that. 

I posted this one cause it's very plausable and I stuck it out there. If it turns out to be heresay then I will certainly hear it in here. 

This was the story from The New York Post and Fox News Saturday (which has been removed since then)

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson, was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source (Unnamed of course, not even a department listed) confirmed to The Post Saturday.

That individual, who has yet to be publicly identified by the authorities, is fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.

According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”

Today from Newsweek (We no longer have a name or identity) of the trans-roommate 

Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk, lived with a romantic partner who is transgender and cooperating with authorities, Utah Governor Spencer Cox has said.

"The roommate was a romantic partner, a male transitioning to female," Cox said during an appearance on CNN on Sunday. "This partner has been very cooperative, had no idea that this was happening."Robinson's roommate has not been charged with a crime, and authorities have not released their name.
An unnamed relative of the roommate told the network that the person "hates conservatives and Christians." The relative said she suspected her family member had influenced Robinson's politics in the year they had been dating.

Both of Robinson's parents are registered Republicans. But Robinson's political registration lists him as unaffiliated and his status as inactive, indicating he has not voted in the past two general elections, according to public records reviewed by Newsweek.

This is legit one of the lamest, unsubstantiated tales I have heard in quite some time. Maybe since the voting machines were rigged in 2020. I mean since an unnamed relative said an unidentified trans-lover, roommate had to have radicalized Robinson, it must be true. These right-wing outlets legit know they can give you any fictional story with no names, real details, and you will just soak it in to feed your feelings and your preferred narrative.