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    San Francisco 49’s Didn’t Know the Playoff Rules

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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 12:59 PM ET #1

    Come on Coach! That’s the experience right there. Chiefs talked about it in Training Camp. To be honest, I didn’t know either when they put 15 minutes on clock, I was surprised.  It makes sense not to make the game a 10 minute final quarter in OT when that rule was changed for player safety and this is to advance or win the SB. But to not have the head coach know and discuss it, it pretty inexcusable as by all of the Niners players throwing him under the bus. 

    I wanted to bet the OT prop. 6/7 games I bet while in Vegas went to OT. 

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    Come on Coach! That’s the experience right there. Chiefs talked about it in Training Camp. To be honest, I didn’t know either when they put 15 minutes on clock, I was surprised.  It makes sense not to make the game a 10 minute final quarter in OT when that rule was changed for player safety and this is to advance or win the SB. But to not have the head coach know and discuss it, it pretty inexcusable as by all of the Niners players throwing him under the bus. 

    I wanted to bet the OT prop. 6/7 games I bet while in Vegas went to OT. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 1:04 PM ET #2

    100% of the people at my watching party didn't know either.  

    It would be good if whiners went on 4th n get a TD to confuses their fans even more. 

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    100% of the people at my watching party didn't know either.  

    It would be good if whiners went on 4th n get a TD to confuses their fans even more. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 1:08 PM ET #3

    Marcus Aurelius once said that the secret to victory lies in the organization of the non-obvious.

    Andy Reid & KC were organized and prepared.

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    Marcus Aurelius once said that the secret to victory lies in the organization of the non-obvious.

    Andy Reid & KC were organized and prepared.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 1:09 PM ET #4

    The reason nobody knew it is we had two weeks of pre-game hype focusing on Taylor Swift and not on something that matters like the change in strategy with the new OT rules.

     

    I don't think CBS explained it well enough during the broadcast either.  On the other hand, the rule change was discussed a lot when it was passed.  That the post-season is different than regular season.

     

    The bigger question would have been what KC would have done had it been fourth down.  

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    The reason nobody knew it is we had two weeks of pre-game hype focusing on Taylor Swift and not on something that matters like the change in strategy with the new OT rules.

     

    I don't think CBS explained it well enough during the broadcast either.  On the other hand, the rule change was discussed a lot when it was passed.  That the post-season is different than regular season.

     

    The bigger question would have been what KC would have done had it been fourth down.  

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 1:13 PM ET #5

    HC Shanahan committed coaching malpractice with his decision to take the ball 1st in OT. He gave Mahomes 4 downs for every 1st down! Coaching malpractice to go along with the title of the thread.

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    HC Shanahan committed coaching malpractice with his decision to take the ball 1st in OT. He gave Mahomes 4 downs for every 1st down! Coaching malpractice to go along with the title of the thread.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 1:13 PM ET #6

    The world would of been verse n ready has there was an ot in them playoff games.  

    Whiners are just a victim of circumstances. 

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    The world would of been verse n ready has there was an ot in them playoff games.  

    Whiners are just a victim of circumstances. 

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    A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage.

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    A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 1:30 PM ET #8

    this is baffling, all Fred Warner had to do was listen to the referee...referee said both teams will have a chance possess the ball.

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    this is baffling, all Fred Warner had to do was listen to the referee...referee said both teams will have a chance possess the ball.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1:

    The reason nobody knew it is we had two weeks of pre-game hype focusing on Taylor Swift and not on something that matters like the change in strategy with the new OT rules.   I don't think CBS explained it well enough during the broadcast either.  On the other hand, the rule change was discussed a lot when it was passed.  That the post-season is different than regular season.   The bigger question would have been what KC would have done had it been fourth down.

     

    I think Romo is the only one who knew lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1:

    The reason nobody knew it is we had two weeks of pre-game hype focusing on Taylor Swift and not on something that matters like the change in strategy with the new OT rules.   I don't think CBS explained it well enough during the broadcast either.  On the other hand, the rule change was discussed a lot when it was passed.  That the post-season is different than regular season.   The bigger question would have been what KC would have done had it been fourth down.

     

    I think Romo is the only one who knew lol

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1:

    A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage.

    I think it was the injury to Dre Greenlaw. He is so good in coverage and that is a huge part of their defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1:

    A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage.

    I think it was the injury to Dre Greenlaw. He is so good in coverage and that is a huge part of their defense.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    Marcus Aurelius once said that the secret to victory lies in the organization of the non-obvious. Andy Reid & KC were organized and prepared.
    peace_5OT rules were changed mainly due to the 2022 Bills playoff game that KC was involved with, so they would be pretty aware that they couldn't "walk it off" anymore if they got the ball first; More similar to college rules where you wanted to defer given that both teams get a chance to score and thus it played into their hands when the Niners took the ball first; Maybe Shanahan had flashbacks of the Pats taking the ball 1st and winning in 2017 but you gotta know the rules...

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    Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

    Marcus Aurelius once said that the secret to victory lies in the organization of the non-obvious. Andy Reid & KC were organized and prepared.
    peace_5OT rules were changed mainly due to the 2022 Bills playoff game that KC was involved with, so they would be pretty aware that they couldn't "walk it off" anymore if they got the ball first; More similar to college rules where you wanted to defer given that both teams get a chance to score and thus it played into their hands when the Niners took the ball first; Maybe Shanahan had flashbacks of the Pats taking the ball 1st and winning in 2017 but you gotta know the rules...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 2:30 PM ET #12

    Mahomes said Micole Hardman didn’t know the game was over….so I don’t think many of them knew the rules.

    you could see when they were walking out for the coin toss Werner was already defeated and Mahomes was pumped to go. 

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    Mahomes said Micole Hardman didn’t know the game was over….so I don’t think many of them knew the rules.

    you could see when they were walking out for the coin toss Werner was already defeated and Mahomes was pumped to go. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 12, 2024 - 2:36 PM ET #13

    The ref explained the new rule just before flipping the coin.  But I guess he had his marching orders from Kyle before going to the middle of the field. 

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    The ref explained the new rule just before flipping the coin.  But I guess he had his marching orders from Kyle before going to the middle of the field. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendKiller3:

    this is baffling, all Fred Warner had to do was listen to the referee...referee said both teams will have a chance possess the ball.

    The ref actually tripped over his words when he was explaining it, he didn't sound sure of what he was saying at all. I think he first said, 'Each team will get the opportunity to score.' and then changed it to, 'Each team will get the opportunity to possess the ball.' and then whatever he said after it sounded so much like the usual explanation I kinda stopped listening.

    They should have made clear at the start that postseason overtime rules are different in that the first team with possession scoring a TD does not end the game as in the regular season. His first explanation of 'each team will get the opportunity to score' was actually more accurate so when he corrected himself it sounded like he had gotten confused, even though 'both teams will get the opportunity to possess the ball' is basically the same.

    It doesn't really matter. They lost the game simply by allowing it to go to OT. They were never beating that QB and coaching staff with all their SB experience in an OT game.

    They had every chance to win in regulation and couldn't do it. Don't muff punts and set the Chiefs up in the red zone after you just got a stop. That was really the game right there. They didn't sniff the end zone otherwise.

    After taking a halftime lead, getting a stop on the Chiefs first drive of the 2nd half was key. They not only got that, but got a turnover. That should have doomed the Chiefs. Score a TD off that, it's looking very bad for KC. They went 3 and out (which they did 3 times consecutively also).

    Then they got the PAT blocked which made extending the game basically automatic now that you only need 3 to tie. As it was they nearly gave up a TD anyway in fact I thought the Chiefs would/could have taken one more shot. But just missing that kick played a big part psychologically with the players. KC knew they didn't have to panic, while SF is left thinking 'What do we have to do to actually shut the door on these guys and why can't we do it?'

    They also fumbled on the first possession when they were driving with ease. Imagine they get a TD first drive that would have been huge considering the Chiefs struggled on offense the first half.

    You can't make mistakes like that and beat the Chiefs, and you can't not capitalize on the mistakes they make because they don't make many. You have to play your A game, not your B+ game. And SF didn't do that. They actually didn't do it the whole playoffs which is why they didn't cover in any games.

    I was actually thinking when the heck has any team won the super bowl without covering a spread in the playoffs and it almost put me off SF.

    I figured it was a coin flip game and I didn't want to fade Mahomes in that type of situation.

    Unfortunately it played out how I feared, they couldn't shut the door on the golden boy and they choked away a game they should have won simply because the other team has the winning DNA same as the Pats did with Brady. Shanahan is only good enough to be able to find out he isnt good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendKiller3:

    this is baffling, all Fred Warner had to do was listen to the referee...referee said both teams will have a chance possess the ball.

    The ref actually tripped over his words when he was explaining it, he didn't sound sure of what he was saying at all. I think he first said, 'Each team will get the opportunity to score.' and then changed it to, 'Each team will get the opportunity to possess the ball.' and then whatever he said after it sounded so much like the usual explanation I kinda stopped listening.

    They should have made clear at the start that postseason overtime rules are different in that the first team with possession scoring a TD does not end the game as in the regular season. His first explanation of 'each team will get the opportunity to score' was actually more accurate so when he corrected himself it sounded like he had gotten confused, even though 'both teams will get the opportunity to possess the ball' is basically the same.

    It doesn't really matter. They lost the game simply by allowing it to go to OT. They were never beating that QB and coaching staff with all their SB experience in an OT game.

    They had every chance to win in regulation and couldn't do it. Don't muff punts and set the Chiefs up in the red zone after you just got a stop. That was really the game right there. They didn't sniff the end zone otherwise.

    After taking a halftime lead, getting a stop on the Chiefs first drive of the 2nd half was key. They not only got that, but got a turnover. That should have doomed the Chiefs. Score a TD off that, it's looking very bad for KC. They went 3 and out (which they did 3 times consecutively also).

    Then they got the PAT blocked which made extending the game basically automatic now that you only need 3 to tie. As it was they nearly gave up a TD anyway in fact I thought the Chiefs would/could have taken one more shot. But just missing that kick played a big part psychologically with the players. KC knew they didn't have to panic, while SF is left thinking 'What do we have to do to actually shut the door on these guys and why can't we do it?'

    They also fumbled on the first possession when they were driving with ease. Imagine they get a TD first drive that would have been huge considering the Chiefs struggled on offense the first half.

    You can't make mistakes like that and beat the Chiefs, and you can't not capitalize on the mistakes they make because they don't make many. You have to play your A game, not your B+ game. And SF didn't do that. They actually didn't do it the whole playoffs which is why they didn't cover in any games.

    I was actually thinking when the heck has any team won the super bowl without covering a spread in the playoffs and it almost put me off SF.

    I figured it was a coin flip game and I didn't want to fade Mahomes in that type of situation.

    Unfortunately it played out how I feared, they couldn't shut the door on the golden boy and they choked away a game they should have won simply because the other team has the winning DNA same as the Pats did with Brady. Shanahan is only good enough to be able to find out he isnt good enough.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1:

    A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage.

     

    They ran the same exact play to win the Super Bowl last year. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1:

    A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage.

     

    They ran the same exact play to win the Super Bowl last year. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1: A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage. I think it was the injury to Dre Greenlaw. He is so good in coverage and that is a huge part of their defense.

     

    Talk about a dope. Rupturing his Achilles running onto the field. Like how dumb can a guy be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1: A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage. I think it was the injury to Dre Greenlaw. He is so good in coverage and that is a huge part of their defense.

     

    Talk about a dope. Rupturing his Achilles running onto the field. Like how dumb can a guy be?

     
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    Dude, the Chiefs talked about the overtime rule change in TRAINING CAMP. They coaching staff should have know. It was compeltely moronic and  just goes to show you he doesn’t have what it takes to win a Title. 

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    Dude, the Chiefs talked about the overtime rule change in TRAINING CAMP. They coaching staff should have know. It was compeltely moronic and  just goes to show you he doesn’t have what it takes to win a Title. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1: A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage. I think it was the injury to Dre Greenlaw. He is so good in coverage and that is a huge part of their defense.   Talk about a dope. Rupturing his Achilles running onto the field. Like how dumb can a guy be?

    Tell me that you know nothing about human anatomy nor sports without telling me. Most achilles injuries happen in this way. It's typically a non-contact injury. Think of it like an elastic band under constant and intense tension. One day it just goes. It's usually in a fluke manner. Jogging on and off court/field, making a quick changes in direction, etc. He sat out a game with a sprain or something like that recently. It becomes a ticking timebomb but a championship, ya'know? The Warriors did KD the same way. Never should've been playing. Diagnosed as a "lower calf sprain".

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by Griswold1: A much bigger issue for Shanahan and his defense was how the receiver only had to run by a frozen linebacker to be WIDE OPEN.  KC clearly saw something in the SF coverage to know SF would either blow the assignment or not provide coverage. I think it was the injury to Dre Greenlaw. He is so good in coverage and that is a huge part of their defense.   Talk about a dope. Rupturing his Achilles running onto the field. Like how dumb can a guy be?

    Tell me that you know nothing about human anatomy nor sports without telling me. Most achilles injuries happen in this way. It's typically a non-contact injury. Think of it like an elastic band under constant and intense tension. One day it just goes. It's usually in a fluke manner. Jogging on and off court/field, making a quick changes in direction, etc. He sat out a game with a sprain or something like that recently. It becomes a ticking timebomb but a championship, ya'know? The Warriors did KD the same way. Never should've been playing. Diagnosed as a "lower calf sprain".

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONEED4LUCK:

    @NutinButtLove  Dude, the Chiefs talked about the overtime rule change in TRAINING CAMP. They coaching staff should have know. It was compeltely moronic and  just goes to show you he doesn’t have what it takes to win a Title.

    I think they knew the rule and made the decision based on other factors.

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    @NutinButtLove  Dude, the Chiefs talked about the overtime rule change in TRAINING CAMP. They coaching staff should have know. It was compeltely moronic and  just goes to show you he doesn’t have what it takes to win a Title.

    I think they knew the rule and made the decision based on other factors.

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