Shaq was passed him prime when he went to Miami and they were still able to win the title. You proved my point.
Shaq was first team All-NBA the year the Heat won the title and he averaged 20 and 9. He may not have been in his prime, but he was just in the early stages of his decline. And a Shaq who is just beginning to slip is still the best center in the NBA. He was still, at that point, a dominating, game-changing presence. The Heat posted only a .500 record without Shaq in the lineup that season.
Shaq was passed him prime when he went to Miami and they were still able to win the title. You proved my point.
Shaq was first team All-NBA the year the Heat won the title and he averaged 20 and 9. He may not have been in his prime, but he was just in the early stages of his decline. And a Shaq who is just beginning to slip is still the best center in the NBA. He was still, at that point, a dominating, game-changing presence. The Heat posted only a .500 record without Shaq in the lineup that season.
Yes you are correct. lebron is the best player in the regular season. guess who is in the playoffs? Thats right the black mamba. the best closer in the game. I will take finals MVP over regular seaosn MVP anyday.
Lebron still cant close games out. he can dominate a game for 3 and a half quarters. Where is he at the end??? Missing free throws and passing the ball to some bum at the 3 point line. not to mention how he gave up in that celtics series...Dont make me laugh man...When Lebron is playing with 1 or 2 super stars next year maybe you and he will have your title...And another thing. I will take your advice. I will enjoy LA success while it lasts.....Maybe next year lebron can do something. But for now sit back drink a beer and watch kobe do his work
Yes you are correct. lebron is the best player in the regular season. guess who is in the playoffs? Thats right the black mamba. the best closer in the game. I will take finals MVP over regular seaosn MVP anyday.
Lebron still cant close games out. he can dominate a game for 3 and a half quarters. Where is he at the end??? Missing free throws and passing the ball to some bum at the 3 point line. not to mention how he gave up in that celtics series...Dont make me laugh man...When Lebron is playing with 1 or 2 super stars next year maybe you and he will have your title...And another thing. I will take your advice. I will enjoy LA success while it lasts.....Maybe next year lebron can do something. But for now sit back drink a beer and watch kobe do his work
By the way. That celtics roster is stacked even more than the lakers. Why do you think they beat the cavs and orlando.....You cant win it alone man...nobody ever does....Not even Jordan......And by the way. yes kobe wins with a center. The triangle works better with a center so you can work it from the inside out.
Jordan did it with out a center. But the had some solid forwards on that team to go with Rodman one of the greatest rebounders of all time!
By the way. That celtics roster is stacked even more than the lakers. Why do you think they beat the cavs and orlando.....You cant win it alone man...nobody ever does....Not even Jordan......And by the way. yes kobe wins with a center. The triangle works better with a center so you can work it from the inside out.
Jordan did it with out a center. But the had some solid forwards on that team to go with Rodman one of the greatest rebounders of all time!
Yes you are correct.
lebron is the best player in the regular season. guess who is in the
playoffs? Thats right the black mamba. the best closer in the game. I
will take finals MVP over regular seaosn MVP anyday.
Lebron still cant close games out. he can dominate a game for 3 and a
half quarters. Where is he at the end??? Missing free throws and
passing the ball to some bum at the 3 point line. not to mention how he
gave up in that celtics series...Dont make me laugh man...When Lebron is
playing with 1 or 2 super stars next year maybe you and he will have
your title...And another thing. I will take your advice. I will enjoy LA
success while it lasts.....Maybe next year lebron can do something. But
for now sit back drink a beer and watch kobe do his work
LOL. You make a good point. The OP shits on Kobe, saying he can't win a
title without being surrounded by talent. Yet what is Bron-Bron doing as
we speak? That's right, attempting to surround himself with talent. The
OP's right, LeBron hasn't had much talent around him. And guess what?
He hasn't won a fucking thing.
FSerpico gives LeBron props for winning 60 games during the regular season, despite the dearth of talent surrounding him. Yet by doing so, he is essentially acknowledging LeBron won't be able to take the next step and win a title until he is playing along side some talent. This is the very thing he is blasting Kobe for.
Yes you are correct.
lebron is the best player in the regular season. guess who is in the
playoffs? Thats right the black mamba. the best closer in the game. I
will take finals MVP over regular seaosn MVP anyday.
Lebron still cant close games out. he can dominate a game for 3 and a
half quarters. Where is he at the end??? Missing free throws and
passing the ball to some bum at the 3 point line. not to mention how he
gave up in that celtics series...Dont make me laugh man...When Lebron is
playing with 1 or 2 super stars next year maybe you and he will have
your title...And another thing. I will take your advice. I will enjoy LA
success while it lasts.....Maybe next year lebron can do something. But
for now sit back drink a beer and watch kobe do his work
LOL. You make a good point. The OP shits on Kobe, saying he can't win a
title without being surrounded by talent. Yet what is Bron-Bron doing as
we speak? That's right, attempting to surround himself with talent. The
OP's right, LeBron hasn't had much talent around him. And guess what?
He hasn't won a fucking thing.
FSerpico gives LeBron props for winning 60 games during the regular season, despite the dearth of talent surrounding him. Yet by doing so, he is essentially acknowledging LeBron won't be able to take the next step and win a title until he is playing along side some talent. This is the very thing he is blasting Kobe for.
I agree Jumbo that is why this post got me so fired up.....Did you see my other post about the last ten champs and the bulls in the 90's?? Nobody wins a title alone man....They all had some great players to go with the main super star....Celts, Spurs,heat,Lakers and bulls 90's teams. The pistons were the lone exception. They won it all with out a super star. they were just stacked at every spot.
Lebron can keep winning 60 games. he wont win anything unless he gets another super star. If you ask me he had a upgraded team this year. They kept saying all he needs is another scorer to be aside him. They gave him A Jamison who is no slouch. Is he Gasol! LOL hell no but he isnt a bum...truth is Lebron will need his pippen to win it all. he may even need multiple super stars to win it all if you ask me. He can dominate a game but cant close it out. he needs a closer to go aside him if you ask me.
I dont like to hear Kobe get hated on becaue they have Gasol. Kobe makes gasol that much more better man....And his work ethic and drive has rubbed off on gasol and artest!!!!!
I agree Jumbo that is why this post got me so fired up.....Did you see my other post about the last ten champs and the bulls in the 90's?? Nobody wins a title alone man....They all had some great players to go with the main super star....Celts, Spurs,heat,Lakers and bulls 90's teams. The pistons were the lone exception. They won it all with out a super star. they were just stacked at every spot.
Lebron can keep winning 60 games. he wont win anything unless he gets another super star. If you ask me he had a upgraded team this year. They kept saying all he needs is another scorer to be aside him. They gave him A Jamison who is no slouch. Is he Gasol! LOL hell no but he isnt a bum...truth is Lebron will need his pippen to win it all. he may even need multiple super stars to win it all if you ask me. He can dominate a game but cant close it out. he needs a closer to go aside him if you ask me.
I dont like to hear Kobe get hated on becaue they have Gasol. Kobe makes gasol that much more better man....And his work ethic and drive has rubbed off on gasol and artest!!!!!
Bogus? Fixed ? Setup ?, What ever word you may want to use to describe the corrupt Gasol trade. That trade altered the course of NBA history forever.
Think about it, Kobe was missing the playoffs and getting bounced in the 1st round year after year once Shaq left.. If that Gasol trade doesn’t happen, Kobe would still be getting bounced in the first round year after year..Who ever was behind the scenes of that trade had ulterior motives.. I remember the Bulls offering Gordon and or Hinrich/Deng for Gasol and Memphis rejected..Well how can you not reject it!? Kwame Brown ! was being dangled by the Lakers.. Surely that was a more enticing deal for Memphis..
Kobe can only win titles when he has The BEST BIG MAN in the NBA playing on his team.. Clearly Gasol is the best big in the NBA today as SHAQ was when he was playing for the Lakers.. Kobe cannot win titles if he doesn’t have the best center in the NBA playing alongside him, period.. Also helps when you have the deepest most talented team in the NBA.. Odom is a starter on any other team but LA has the luxury to use him off the bench.. Artest being on your team doesn’t hurt either, best SF defender in the NBA.. I have not even mentioned Bynum and the clutch shooting of Fisher..
Enjoy this success while it lasts.. Not the fans fault..
Bottom line is that Lebron James is still the best player in the NBA by far.. No other player can win 60 games with the team he had..
P.S AL Pacino had more help in the last scene of scarface than Lebron had from his team mates in the playoffs..
I could only Imagine if Jamison was Kobe's running mate in LA and best player next to him.. Imagine big Z as Kobe's center ? Instead of Gasol ?
Karma is bad thought, eventually it will rear its ugly head..
Suddenly Kobe has surpassed Magic.. Real students of the game are throwing up all over the place..
1. There is precendent for trades like these.
2. Gasol is not the best big man in the NBA.
3. Name me the last team that won a championship, besides the Bulls, with out a legitimate big man.
3. Jordan had Pippen whom was arguably the best player in the league during his retirement. I hate hypotheticals, but do you honestly think that we elimated Gasol and replaced him with Kevin Durant that this team isn't championship calibur?
4. Jordan was also getting bounced early until he learned to win.
5. People are still that Lebron is better than Kobe?
Bogus? Fixed ? Setup ?, What ever word you may want to use to describe the corrupt Gasol trade. That trade altered the course of NBA history forever.
Think about it, Kobe was missing the playoffs and getting bounced in the 1st round year after year once Shaq left.. If that Gasol trade doesn’t happen, Kobe would still be getting bounced in the first round year after year..Who ever was behind the scenes of that trade had ulterior motives.. I remember the Bulls offering Gordon and or Hinrich/Deng for Gasol and Memphis rejected..Well how can you not reject it!? Kwame Brown ! was being dangled by the Lakers.. Surely that was a more enticing deal for Memphis..
Kobe can only win titles when he has The BEST BIG MAN in the NBA playing on his team.. Clearly Gasol is the best big in the NBA today as SHAQ was when he was playing for the Lakers.. Kobe cannot win titles if he doesn’t have the best center in the NBA playing alongside him, period.. Also helps when you have the deepest most talented team in the NBA.. Odom is a starter on any other team but LA has the luxury to use him off the bench.. Artest being on your team doesn’t hurt either, best SF defender in the NBA.. I have not even mentioned Bynum and the clutch shooting of Fisher..
Enjoy this success while it lasts.. Not the fans fault..
Bottom line is that Lebron James is still the best player in the NBA by far.. No other player can win 60 games with the team he had..
P.S AL Pacino had more help in the last scene of scarface than Lebron had from his team mates in the playoffs..
I could only Imagine if Jamison was Kobe's running mate in LA and best player next to him.. Imagine big Z as Kobe's center ? Instead of Gasol ?
Karma is bad thought, eventually it will rear its ugly head..
Suddenly Kobe has surpassed Magic.. Real students of the game are throwing up all over the place..
1. There is precendent for trades like these.
2. Gasol is not the best big man in the NBA.
3. Name me the last team that won a championship, besides the Bulls, with out a legitimate big man.
3. Jordan had Pippen whom was arguably the best player in the league during his retirement. I hate hypotheticals, but do you honestly think that we elimated Gasol and replaced him with Kevin Durant that this team isn't championship calibur?
4. Jordan was also getting bounced early until he learned to win.
5. People are still that Lebron is better than Kobe?
I agree 100% Jerry. Those are actually many of the points I just tried to get across. Dont forget Jordan and Pippen had Rodman. Maybe the best rebounder of all time.....so technically they had their big man!!!!
Bulls dont have that 3 peat with out rodmans rebounds!!!! Book it
I agree 100% Jerry. Those are actually many of the points I just tried to get across. Dont forget Jordan and Pippen had Rodman. Maybe the best rebounder of all time.....so technically they had their big man!!!!
Bulls dont have that 3 peat with out rodmans rebounds!!!! Book it
Say what you want about the trade but don't discredit Kobe because of it. Jordan would still be looking for a ring if Pippen didn't come aboard.
No, Wallace was. But many people think West had considerable influence for the deal to be made even though he retired as GM. Memphis didn't even openly shop Gasol to see what they would get, it was a totally out of the blue move that seemed to take other teams by surprise.
3 years of Gasol, 3 Finals for the Lakers. I think it's safe to say at this point this trade will never become an even deal. Never looked like one no matter how they try to spin Memphis' end of the deal.
Say what you want about the trade but don't discredit Kobe because of it. Jordan would still be looking for a ring if Pippen didn't come aboard.
No, Wallace was. But many people think West had considerable influence for the deal to be made even though he retired as GM. Memphis didn't even openly shop Gasol to see what they would get, it was a totally out of the blue move that seemed to take other teams by surprise.
3 years of Gasol, 3 Finals for the Lakers. I think it's safe to say at this point this trade will never become an even deal. Never looked like one no matter how they try to spin Memphis' end of the deal.
lakers got pau gasol but they still gave up a decent piece in MARC GASOL, who maybe a good player in the future, maybe even better than PAU, wait for a few more years before making the stupid assumption about the deal being lopsided
the cavs trade for jamison is a bigger rob than lakers trade, they didn't give up any players only one 30TH pick, the gasol trade, lakers have to give up a big man with potential
lakers got pau gasol but they still gave up a decent piece in MARC GASOL, who maybe a good player in the future, maybe even better than PAU, wait for a few more years before making the stupid assumption about the deal being lopsided
the cavs trade for jamison is a bigger rob than lakers trade, they didn't give up any players only one 30TH pick, the gasol trade, lakers have to give up a big man with potential
Yes you are correct. lebron is the best player in the regular season. guess who is in the playoffs? Thats right the black mamba. the best closer in the game. I will take finals MVP over regular seaosn MVP anyday.
Lebron still cant close games out. he can dominate a game for 3 and a half quarters. Where is he at the end??? Missing free throws and passing the ball to some bum at the 3 point line. not to mention how he gave up in that celtics series...Dont make me laugh man...When Lebron is playing with 1 or 2 super stars next year maybe you and he will have your title...And another thing. I will take your advice. I will enjoy LA success while it lasts.....Maybe next year lebron can do something. But for now sit back drink a beer and watch kobe do his work
I dont know how to explain this to you but Lebron is a better player in the regular season and the playoffs. I mean seriously this is not rocket sciene. How old are you ? Stevie Wonder can see that Lebron was playing the Celtics by himself.. Jamison and Mo Williams, dissapeared and did not even show up for the series..
Lebron quit ? Lebron quit ? If 27,19,10 is quitting than I'll take a quitter any day..
You know who quit ? Do you want to know ? Kobe, thats right, Kobe flat out quit in game 7 vs the Suns several years back. His team was up 3-1 vs the Phoenix Suns minus Amare.. And Your boy Kobe flat out quit in game 7.. Didnt even attempt to shoot in the second half..
Lebron cant close out games ? Dude when Kobe was sitting home and didnt make the playoffs, Lebron took a bunch of scrubs to the NBA FInals.. Dont even try to tell me in your wildest dreams that Kobe would have done better with Lebrons supporting cast..
Whats funny is when Kobe scores 30 with 8 and 7, every one gets all excited.. For Bron thats just another game.. Now you trade the Big Z and Antwan Jamison for Gasol and Artest and than we will see who is the better closer..
Yes you are correct. lebron is the best player in the regular season. guess who is in the playoffs? Thats right the black mamba. the best closer in the game. I will take finals MVP over regular seaosn MVP anyday.
Lebron still cant close games out. he can dominate a game for 3 and a half quarters. Where is he at the end??? Missing free throws and passing the ball to some bum at the 3 point line. not to mention how he gave up in that celtics series...Dont make me laugh man...When Lebron is playing with 1 or 2 super stars next year maybe you and he will have your title...And another thing. I will take your advice. I will enjoy LA success while it lasts.....Maybe next year lebron can do something. But for now sit back drink a beer and watch kobe do his work
I dont know how to explain this to you but Lebron is a better player in the regular season and the playoffs. I mean seriously this is not rocket sciene. How old are you ? Stevie Wonder can see that Lebron was playing the Celtics by himself.. Jamison and Mo Williams, dissapeared and did not even show up for the series..
Lebron quit ? Lebron quit ? If 27,19,10 is quitting than I'll take a quitter any day..
You know who quit ? Do you want to know ? Kobe, thats right, Kobe flat out quit in game 7 vs the Suns several years back. His team was up 3-1 vs the Phoenix Suns minus Amare.. And Your boy Kobe flat out quit in game 7.. Didnt even attempt to shoot in the second half..
Lebron cant close out games ? Dude when Kobe was sitting home and didnt make the playoffs, Lebron took a bunch of scrubs to the NBA FInals.. Dont even try to tell me in your wildest dreams that Kobe would have done better with Lebrons supporting cast..
Whats funny is when Kobe scores 30 with 8 and 7, every one gets all excited.. For Bron thats just another game.. Now you trade the Big Z and Antwan Jamison for Gasol and Artest and than we will see who is the better closer..
LOL. You make a good point. The OP shits on Kobe, saying he can't win a title without being surrounded by talent. Yet what is Bron-Bron doing as we speak? That's right, attempting to surround himself with talent. The OP's right, LeBron hasn't had much talent around him. And guess what? He hasn't won a fucking thing.
FSerpico gives LeBron props for winning 60 games during the regular season, despite the dearth of talent surrounding him. Yet by doing so, he is essentially acknowledging LeBron won't be able to take the next step and win a title until he is playing along side some talent. This is the very thing he is blasting Kobe for.
What are you talking about ? Can you read the title of this thread ? I hope you can.. I dont have an issue with Kobe winning with Gasol.. The issue is how the trade went down, it was fucking rigged, pure horse shit.. A man like Popovich who is a 4 time champion and well respected even spoke out about the Illegitamacy of that trade.
How the hell does Memphis turn down an offer from Chicago for Ben Gordon , # 1 pick and another player but accepts a trade for Kwame the BUST Brown ??? That trade reeked of shit from the start but the NBA needed that trade because Kobe was going postal and ready for the straightjacket unless LA brought in a top big man for him..
LOL. You make a good point. The OP shits on Kobe, saying he can't win a title without being surrounded by talent. Yet what is Bron-Bron doing as we speak? That's right, attempting to surround himself with talent. The OP's right, LeBron hasn't had much talent around him. And guess what? He hasn't won a fucking thing.
FSerpico gives LeBron props for winning 60 games during the regular season, despite the dearth of talent surrounding him. Yet by doing so, he is essentially acknowledging LeBron won't be able to take the next step and win a title until he is playing along side some talent. This is the very thing he is blasting Kobe for.
What are you talking about ? Can you read the title of this thread ? I hope you can.. I dont have an issue with Kobe winning with Gasol.. The issue is how the trade went down, it was fucking rigged, pure horse shit.. A man like Popovich who is a 4 time champion and well respected even spoke out about the Illegitamacy of that trade.
How the hell does Memphis turn down an offer from Chicago for Ben Gordon , # 1 pick and another player but accepts a trade for Kwame the BUST Brown ??? That trade reeked of shit from the start but the NBA needed that trade because Kobe was going postal and ready for the straightjacket unless LA brought in a top big man for him..
I dont know how to explain this to you but Lebron is a better player in the regular season and the playoffs. I mean seriously this is not rocket sciene. How old are you ? Stevie Wonder can see that Lebron was playing the Celtics by himself.. Jamison and Mo Williams, dissapeared and did not even show up for the series..
Lebron quit ? Lebron quit ? If 27,19,10 is quitting than I'll take a quitter any day..
You know who quit ? Do you want to know ? Kobe, thats right, Kobe flat out quit in game 7 vs the Suns several years back. His team was up 3-1 vs the Phoenix Suns minus Amare.. And Your boy Kobe flat out quit in game 7.. Didnt even attempt to shoot in the second half..
Lebron cant close out games ? Dude when Kobe was sitting home and didnt make the playoffs, Lebron took a bunch of scrubs to the NBA FInals.. Dont even try to tell me in your wildest dreams that Kobe would have done better with Lebrons supporting cast..
Whats funny is when Kobe scores 30 with 8 and 7, every one gets all excited.. For Bron thats just another game.. Now you trade the Big Z and Antwan Jamison for Gasol and Artest and than we will see who is the better closer..
Get a fucking clue dude..
can you tell me that lebron would have beaten the phoenix suns minus amare with the lakers' roster in 05?and 06 too
the east was a lot weaker back then than in the west, only detroit was a good team back then
I dont know how to explain this to you but Lebron is a better player in the regular season and the playoffs. I mean seriously this is not rocket sciene. How old are you ? Stevie Wonder can see that Lebron was playing the Celtics by himself.. Jamison and Mo Williams, dissapeared and did not even show up for the series..
Lebron quit ? Lebron quit ? If 27,19,10 is quitting than I'll take a quitter any day..
You know who quit ? Do you want to know ? Kobe, thats right, Kobe flat out quit in game 7 vs the Suns several years back. His team was up 3-1 vs the Phoenix Suns minus Amare.. And Your boy Kobe flat out quit in game 7.. Didnt even attempt to shoot in the second half..
Lebron cant close out games ? Dude when Kobe was sitting home and didnt make the playoffs, Lebron took a bunch of scrubs to the NBA FInals.. Dont even try to tell me in your wildest dreams that Kobe would have done better with Lebrons supporting cast..
Whats funny is when Kobe scores 30 with 8 and 7, every one gets all excited.. For Bron thats just another game.. Now you trade the Big Z and Antwan Jamison for Gasol and Artest and than we will see who is the better closer..
Get a fucking clue dude..
can you tell me that lebron would have beaten the phoenix suns minus amare with the lakers' roster in 05?and 06 too
the east was a lot weaker back then than in the west, only detroit was a good team back then
3. Name me the last team that won a championship, besides the Bulls, with out a legitimate big man.
3. Jordan had Pippen whom was arguably the best player in the league during his retirement. I hate hypotheticals, but do you honestly think that we elimated Gasol and replaced him with Kevin Durant that this team isn't championship calibur?
4. Jordan was also getting bounced early until he learned to win.
5. People are still that Lebron is better than Kobe?
-Uhm sorry to burst your bubble but Gasol is in fact the best big man in the NBA today, bar none.. Who's better Dwight Howard ?lol. Howard is a better athlete, YES but that doesnt translate to a better basketball player, sorry..
- No im sorry Pippen wasnt even close to being the best player in the NBA when Jordan retired. Hakeem the Dream was 10x the player Pippen was.. Barkley, Malone, David Robinson, all better than Pippen in 94,95..
If Scottie was so good why was he getting punked by Anthony Mason and needed Toni Kukoc to hit a miracle shot at the buzzer to help Prevent Scotties Bulls from going down 0-3 in the 2nd round. This is the same Scottie that quit on his team and didnt come in for the last play because it was not set up for him.
Dont get me started on Scottie, the man was terrified of taking the big shot. Scottie had a STACKED Blazer team that was up 17 points in game 7 of the WCF and choked it away, thats right CHOKED IT AWAY..
Imagine Jordan with a 17 point 4th quarter lead with a chance at the FINALS.. Does he lose that game ? Case closed..
3. Name me the last team that won a championship, besides the Bulls, with out a legitimate big man.
3. Jordan had Pippen whom was arguably the best player in the league during his retirement. I hate hypotheticals, but do you honestly think that we elimated Gasol and replaced him with Kevin Durant that this team isn't championship calibur?
4. Jordan was also getting bounced early until he learned to win.
5. People are still that Lebron is better than Kobe?
-Uhm sorry to burst your bubble but Gasol is in fact the best big man in the NBA today, bar none.. Who's better Dwight Howard ?lol. Howard is a better athlete, YES but that doesnt translate to a better basketball player, sorry..
- No im sorry Pippen wasnt even close to being the best player in the NBA when Jordan retired. Hakeem the Dream was 10x the player Pippen was.. Barkley, Malone, David Robinson, all better than Pippen in 94,95..
If Scottie was so good why was he getting punked by Anthony Mason and needed Toni Kukoc to hit a miracle shot at the buzzer to help Prevent Scotties Bulls from going down 0-3 in the 2nd round. This is the same Scottie that quit on his team and didnt come in for the last play because it was not set up for him.
Dont get me started on Scottie, the man was terrified of taking the big shot. Scottie had a STACKED Blazer team that was up 17 points in game 7 of the WCF and choked it away, thats right CHOKED IT AWAY..
Imagine Jordan with a 17 point 4th quarter lead with a chance at the FINALS.. Does he lose that game ? Case closed..
So sad, if Kobe does not demand to be traded unless Kupchek gets off his ass you would still be enjoying LA in the 8th spot. You were probably one of the ones who critcsized his adacity to make such a demand. Kupchek had to listen or he was gone as well.
Oh by the way let us all know when when the KING scores 81
So sad, if Kobe does not demand to be traded unless Kupchek gets off his ass you would still be enjoying LA in the 8th spot. You were probably one of the ones who critcsized his adacity to make such a demand. Kupchek had to listen or he was gone as well.
Oh by the way let us all know when when the KING scores 81
lakers got pau gasol but they still gave up a decent piece in MARC GASOL, who maybe a good player in the future, maybe even better than PAU, wait for a few more years before making the stupid assumption about the deal being lopsided
the cavs trade for jamison is a bigger rob than lakers trade, they didn't give up any players only one 30TH pick, the gasol trade, lakers have to give up a big man with potential
Youre officially an idiot, im sorry but WOW.. WOW,AHHAhahahha what a statement.. Jamison huh ? I wont even continue on this one, its just that stupid of a comment.
lakers got pau gasol but they still gave up a decent piece in MARC GASOL, who maybe a good player in the future, maybe even better than PAU, wait for a few more years before making the stupid assumption about the deal being lopsided
the cavs trade for jamison is a bigger rob than lakers trade, they didn't give up any players only one 30TH pick, the gasol trade, lakers have to give up a big man with potential
Youre officially an idiot, im sorry but WOW.. WOW,AHHAhahahha what a statement.. Jamison huh ? I wont even continue on this one, its just that stupid of a comment.
Youre officially an idiot, im sorry but WOW.. WOW,AHHAhahahha what a statement.. Jamison huh ? I wont even continue on this one, its just that stupid of a comment.
you're the bigger idiot fuck face, jamison is an above average player, although an unworthy all star, is he worth only a 30th pick?
Youre officially an idiot, im sorry but WOW.. WOW,AHHAhahahha what a statement.. Jamison huh ? I wont even continue on this one, its just that stupid of a comment.
you're the bigger idiot fuck face, jamison is an above average player, although an unworthy all star, is he worth only a 30th pick?
-Uhm sorry to burst your bubble but Gasol is in fact the best big man in the NBA today, bar none.. Who's better Dwight Howard ?lol. Howard is a better athlete, YES but that doesnt translate to a better basketball player, sorry..
- No im sorry Pippen wasnt even close to being the best player in the NBA when Jordan retired. Hakeem the Dream was 10x the player Pippen was.. Barkley, Malone, David Robinson, all better than Pippen in 94,95..
-Uhm sorry to burst your bubble but Gasol is in fact the best big man in the NBA today, bar none.. Who's better Dwight Howard ?lol. Howard is a better athlete, YES but that doesnt translate to a better basketball player, sorry..
- No im sorry Pippen wasnt even close to being the best player in the NBA when Jordan retired. Hakeem the Dream was 10x the player Pippen was.. Barkley, Malone, David Robinson, all better than Pippen in 94,95..
Bogus? Fixed ? Setup ?, What ever word you may want to use to describe the corrupt Gasol trade. That trade altered the course of NBA history forever.
Think about it, Kobe was missing the playoffs and getting bounced in the 1st round year after year once Shaq left.. If that Gasol trade doesn’t happen, Kobe would still be getting bounced in the first round year after year..Who ever was behind the scenes of that trade had ulterior motives.. I remember the Bulls offering Gordon and or Hinrich/Deng for Gasol and Memphis rejected..Well how can you not reject it!? Kwame Brown ! was being dangled by the Lakers.. Surely that was a more enticing deal for Memphis..
Kobe can only win titles when he has The BEST BIG MAN in the NBA playing on his team.. Clearly Gasol is the best big in the NBA today as SHAQ was when he was playing for the Lakers.. Kobe cannot win titles if he doesn’t have the best center in the NBA playing alongside him, period.. Also helps when you have the deepest most talented team in the NBA.. Odom is a starter on any other team but LA has the luxury to use him off the bench.. Artest being on your team doesn’t hurt either, best SF defender in the NBA.. I have not even mentioned Bynum and the clutch shooting of Fisher..
Enjoy this success while it lasts.. Not the fans fault..
Bottom line is that Lebron James is still the best player in the NBA by far.. No other player can win 60 games with the team he had..
P.S AL Pacino had more help in the last scene of scarface than Lebron had from his team mates in the playoffs..
I could only Imagine if Jamison was Kobe's running mate in LA and best player next to him.. Imagine big Z as Kobe's center ? Instead of Gasol ?
Karma is bad thought, eventually it will rear its ugly head..
Suddenly Kobe has surpassed Magic.. Real students of the game are throwing up all over the place..
Bogus? Fixed ? Setup ?, What ever word you may want to use to describe the corrupt Gasol trade. That trade altered the course of NBA history forever.
Think about it, Kobe was missing the playoffs and getting bounced in the 1st round year after year once Shaq left.. If that Gasol trade doesn’t happen, Kobe would still be getting bounced in the first round year after year..Who ever was behind the scenes of that trade had ulterior motives.. I remember the Bulls offering Gordon and or Hinrich/Deng for Gasol and Memphis rejected..Well how can you not reject it!? Kwame Brown ! was being dangled by the Lakers.. Surely that was a more enticing deal for Memphis..
Kobe can only win titles when he has The BEST BIG MAN in the NBA playing on his team.. Clearly Gasol is the best big in the NBA today as SHAQ was when he was playing for the Lakers.. Kobe cannot win titles if he doesn’t have the best center in the NBA playing alongside him, period.. Also helps when you have the deepest most talented team in the NBA.. Odom is a starter on any other team but LA has the luxury to use him off the bench.. Artest being on your team doesn’t hurt either, best SF defender in the NBA.. I have not even mentioned Bynum and the clutch shooting of Fisher..
Enjoy this success while it lasts.. Not the fans fault..
Bottom line is that Lebron James is still the best player in the NBA by far.. No other player can win 60 games with the team he had..
P.S AL Pacino had more help in the last scene of scarface than Lebron had from his team mates in the playoffs..
I could only Imagine if Jamison was Kobe's running mate in LA and best player next to him.. Imagine big Z as Kobe's center ? Instead of Gasol ?
Karma is bad thought, eventually it will rear its ugly head..
Suddenly Kobe has surpassed Magic.. Real students of the game are throwing up all over the place..
What are you talking about ? Can you read the title of this thread ? I hope you can.. I dont have an issue with Kobe winning with Gasol.. The issue is how the trade went down, it was fucking rigged, pure horse shit.. A man like Popovich who is a 4 time champion and well respected even spoke out about the Illegitamacy of that trade.
How the hell does Memphis turn down an offer from Chicago for Ben Gordon , # 1 pick and another player but accepts a trade for Kwame the BUST Brown ??? That trade reeked of shit from the start but the NBA needed that trade because Kobe was going postal and ready for the straightjacket unless LA brought in a top big man for him..
This trade was a salary dump plain and simple. Brown's huge contract was set to expire and Gasol's contract was too much for small market Memphis that was starting to rebuild. They didn't want the Bulls castoffs and their contracts. They wanted to reduce the the teams payroll. Jerry West played no part in the deal!
Heisley the Grizz owner:
Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”
"Heisley has been losing money in Memphis, a small market where the franchise has come to flounder. He tried to sell the team, but no one has reached his asking price. Around the league there are those who believe that Wallace was forced to turn the Gasol trade into a salary dump, and there are league officials, including a close friend, who believe, “There is no way that Chris ever would’ve made that trade on his own.”
Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”
What are you talking about ? Can you read the title of this thread ? I hope you can.. I dont have an issue with Kobe winning with Gasol.. The issue is how the trade went down, it was fucking rigged, pure horse shit.. A man like Popovich who is a 4 time champion and well respected even spoke out about the Illegitamacy of that trade.
How the hell does Memphis turn down an offer from Chicago for Ben Gordon , # 1 pick and another player but accepts a trade for Kwame the BUST Brown ??? That trade reeked of shit from the start but the NBA needed that trade because Kobe was going postal and ready for the straightjacket unless LA brought in a top big man for him..
This trade was a salary dump plain and simple. Brown's huge contract was set to expire and Gasol's contract was too much for small market Memphis that was starting to rebuild. They didn't want the Bulls castoffs and their contracts. They wanted to reduce the the teams payroll. Jerry West played no part in the deal!
Heisley the Grizz owner:
Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”
"Heisley has been losing money in Memphis, a small market where the franchise has come to flounder. He tried to sell the team, but no one has reached his asking price. Around the league there are those who believe that Wallace was forced to turn the Gasol trade into a salary dump, and there are league officials, including a close friend, who believe, “There is no way that Chris ever would’ve made that trade on his own.”
Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”
Just shut the hell up hater. This is the NBA, if you don't like it, then bet the other sports and stay in their forums so we don't have to listen to this stupid crap.
Just shut the hell up hater. This is the NBA, if you don't like it, then bet the other sports and stay in their forums so we don't have to listen to this stupid crap.
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