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    CAVS @ RAPTORS: GAME 3!!!

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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 9:27 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by millencol:

    Lol!! this guy always cracks me up with his long posts thinking he knows so much. Raps got this. Hopefully amateurs learn something from this nerd.


    Get a life troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by millencol:

    Lol!! this guy always cracks me up with his long posts thinking he knows so much. Raps got this. Hopefully amateurs learn something from this nerd.


    Get a life troll
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 9:30 AM ET #27

    Mike Callahan has your back tonight Scal.  Adam Silver wants LeBron rested for the finals bring out the broom
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    Mike Callahan has your back tonight Scal.  Adam Silver wants LeBron rested for the finals bring out the broom
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 10:14 AM ET #28

    Love the play. I hope Toronto has a lead early like you said, im going  to gamble and wait for it. Want Cavs + money.
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    Love the play. I hope Toronto has a lead early like you said, im going  to gamble and wait for it. Want Cavs + money.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 10:21 AM ET #29

    Scal I literally laughed at loud at Pieces of playoff shiti started to make a thread saying you are an idiot if you bet Toronto tonight but you bet me to the punch bol
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    Scal I literally laughed at loud at Pieces of playoff shiti started to make a thread saying you are an idiot if you bet Toronto tonight but you bet me to the punch bol
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 10:23 AM ET #30

    Sorry buddy but Raptors will cover don't take the bait....gl whatever you do
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    Sorry buddy but Raptors will cover don't take the bait....gl whatever you do
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 10:29 AM ET #31

    Did anyone watch the dubs game last nite? I'm supposed to believe that WITH hill, the dubs win by 12 and then WITHOUT Hill, they lose by 11? Really? The books took a ton in the early game last nite so the books took it back last nite knowing that many would take the dubs no matter the number. Tonite is a game that has bs written all over it. Lowry out and the line is that low? I am probably staying away.
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    Did anyone watch the dubs game last nite? I'm supposed to believe that WITH hill, the dubs win by 12 and then WITHOUT Hill, they lose by 11? Really? The books took a ton in the early game last nite so the books took it back last nite knowing that many would take the dubs no matter the number. Tonite is a game that has bs written all over it. Lowry out and the line is that low? I am probably staying away.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 11:02 AM ET #32

    Meant to say dubs win by 11 WITHOUT Hill.
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    Meant to say dubs win by 11 WITHOUT Hill.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 11:07 AM ET #33

    Scal , great write up as always ...the link below does concern me . GL regardless

    https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/cavaliers-public-support-reaching-historical-levels/
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    Scal , great write up as always ...the link below does concern me . GL regardless

    https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/cavaliers-public-support-reaching-historical-levels/
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 11:12 AM ET #34

    -2.5 is a gift, unreal, a miracle if toronto wins.
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 11:17 AM ET #35

    Scal, nice write up. I listened to G2 on Sirius Radio. Even the RAPTORS color commentator believed the Cavs were toying with Toronto. BOL!
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    Scal, nice write up. I listened to G2 on Sirius Radio. Even the RAPTORS color commentator believed the Cavs were toying with Toronto. BOL!
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 11:26 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by WinstonTheWolf:

    Scal , great write up as always ...the link below does concern me . GL regardless

    https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/cavaliers-public-support-reaching-historical-levels/


    Thanks for the comments guys. Looks like minus 2 or 3 guys, we are with the public here.

    Bb I really started looking into this one after your skewering of the Raps on this board. And I came away with overwhelming evidence that he Cavs should cover despite the fact the Raps definitely should come out strong and leave it all on the line where their season hangs in the balance.

    Hell, when even fans and announcers are unconfident, you should be too. They watch all 82.

    Winston, 

    That's a good post. 0-4 ATS at these levels. This is a different animal. The Raps simply can't beat this Cavs team and haven't been remotely competitive.

    Remember for every post about losing when there is too much public support, I have this in my back pocket, and it SCREAMS to not be afraid to go square, despite it being a different sport:

    #Patriots we're the only team favored in every 2017 game Week 1 to 16, average of -6.5.

    The result?

    NE was ridiculous 16-3 ATS last year bit.ly/2pm7Shv


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    Quote Originally Posted by WinstonTheWolf:

    Scal , great write up as always ...the link below does concern me . GL regardless

    https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/cavaliers-public-support-reaching-historical-levels/


    Thanks for the comments guys. Looks like minus 2 or 3 guys, we are with the public here.

    Bb I really started looking into this one after your skewering of the Raps on this board. And I came away with overwhelming evidence that he Cavs should cover despite the fact the Raps definitely should come out strong and leave it all on the line where their season hangs in the balance.

    Hell, when even fans and announcers are unconfident, you should be too. They watch all 82.

    Winston, 

    That's a good post. 0-4 ATS at these levels. This is a different animal. The Raps simply can't beat this Cavs team and haven't been remotely competitive.

    Remember for every post about losing when there is too much public support, I have this in my back pocket, and it SCREAMS to not be afraid to go square, despite it being a different sport:

    #Patriots we're the only team favored in every 2017 game Week 1 to 16, average of -6.5.

    The result?

    NE was ridiculous 16-3 ATS last year bit.ly/2pm7Shv


     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 12:25 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by Ballerholic:

    only concern I have is game 3 is always do or die and Raptors should be motivated here. Pacers even should have won game 3 at home. 

    Anyway, Scal, what do you think of Rockets/Spurs series. I'm considering taking Rockets to win the series at -115. Any thoughts?

    I am leaning rockets for the series with BeginnerBoy, yes. But I think the individual games and the adjustments therein as the series progresses are better bets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballerholic:

    only concern I have is game 3 is always do or die and Raptors should be motivated here. Pacers even should have won game 3 at home. 

    Anyway, Scal, what do you think of Rockets/Spurs series. I'm considering taking Rockets to win the series at -115. Any thoughts?

    I am leaning rockets for the series with BeginnerBoy, yes. But I think the individual games and the adjustments therein as the series progresses are better bets.
     
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    Not trolling here, just an honest question. Didn't you do a write-up on the Raptors for Game 1 and also make a series bet of Raptors +2 games? Are you just simply changing your stance on things after the way Toronto was beat down in the first 2 games, or what calls for the sudden change? Toronto got thumped in Cleveland in the first 2 games last year too and then managed to hold serve at home. I would say, based on what I saw this week, that probably doesn't happen, but still, I'm confused why you're going back on your initial read so quickly. Just curious to hear your thoughts on that, or if you simply saw what the Raptors attempted in the first 2 games and realized that series bet is completely screwed.

    One last question. Seems others have mentioned it already too but I haven't seen your response. The Cavs destroy the Raptors in the first 2 games, Raptors look awful, adjustments aren't working, Lowry/DeRozan have been trash, Lowry might not even play, etc. Why do you think the line is so low still? I agree, it seems like it's Cavs or nothing, but how do the oddsmakers make this line so low in that situation? Makes me want to unload on Cleveland but that line just scares me a little lol
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    Not trolling here, just an honest question. Didn't you do a write-up on the Raptors for Game 1 and also make a series bet of Raptors +2 games? Are you just simply changing your stance on things after the way Toronto was beat down in the first 2 games, or what calls for the sudden change? Toronto got thumped in Cleveland in the first 2 games last year too and then managed to hold serve at home. I would say, based on what I saw this week, that probably doesn't happen, but still, I'm confused why you're going back on your initial read so quickly. Just curious to hear your thoughts on that, or if you simply saw what the Raptors attempted in the first 2 games and realized that series bet is completely screwed.

    One last question. Seems others have mentioned it already too but I haven't seen your response. The Cavs destroy the Raptors in the first 2 games, Raptors look awful, adjustments aren't working, Lowry/DeRozan have been trash, Lowry might not even play, etc. Why do you think the line is so low still? I agree, it seems like it's Cavs or nothing, but how do the oddsmakers make this line so low in that situation? Makes me want to unload on Cleveland but that line just scares me a little lol
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-MoneyMaker:

    Not trolling here, just an honest question. Didn't you do a write-up on the Raptors for Game 1 and also make a series bet of Raptors +2 games? Are you just simply changing your stance on things after the way Toronto was beat down in the first 2 games, or what calls for the sudden change? Toronto got thumped in Cleveland in the first 2 games last year too and then managed to hold serve at home. I would say, based on what I saw this week, that probably doesn't happen, but still, I'm confused why you're going back on your initial read so quickly. Just curious to hear your thoughts on that, or if you simply saw what the Raptors attempted in the first 2 games and realized that series bet is completely screwed.

    One last question. Seems others have mentioned it already too but I haven't seen your response. The Cavs destroy the Raptors in the first 2 games, Raptors look awful, adjustments aren't working, Lowry/DeRozan have been trash, Lowry might not even play, etc. Why do you think the line is so low still? I agree, it seems like it's Cavs or nothing, but how do the oddsmakers make this line so low in that situation? Makes me want to unload on Cleveland but that line just scares me a little lol

    Yes, of course I am changing my stance and yes that bet, likely a loser given this one, is still outstanding. The change in stance is everything in the OP and why.

    To the second question, as a general rule if you didn't cap a game fully, look to the line movement for favors. Massive public support typically doesn't hit.

    But the line is rising so much here the books will probably lose on the openining line and collect on something like -5 which it might close at. This happens sometimes and the books are reacting accordingly.

    You have to understand something about these books. They are set in their ways using archaic line setting methods.

    So what was the archaic method they used here?

    They took the last game at -8 Cavs in Cleveland and subtracted 6.5 and opened the game at -1.5 for the home/road switch.

    -6.5 for the switch is considered VERY LOW for a playoff game (as it can get as high as -10 for the switch to the other city).

    So opening the Cavs at -1.5 in Toronto is a very big deal TO THEM because of their antiquated line setting methodology. 

    But to us? We see -1.5 and only one point on the spread beats us while taking a team that literally violated another the previous two games.

    -2.5? Two points beats us? Still a good deal. 

    Vegas mindset? Old and gray much like Rip Van Winkle

    Shrewd Bettie mindset? Ahead of the game, like Biff from Back to the Future bringing a sports almanac back in time.

    The books look at -2.5 and start huffing and puffing saying "We got em now! We only adjusted this line 5.5 for home road!!! That's no adjustment at all!!!

    I calmly take the Cavs -2.5 and another sip of my lavender tea, hands double clutching my Cavs mug, in my Houston Oiler blue silk bathrobe, all without a worry in the world. 

    Read the OP bookies. You should have adjusted more upon opening. They're scrambling now to make up for it but we're already locked and loaded. This ain't no Kentucky Derby ticket that changes with the pooled bets baby. No sir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J-MoneyMaker:

    Not trolling here, just an honest question. Didn't you do a write-up on the Raptors for Game 1 and also make a series bet of Raptors +2 games? Are you just simply changing your stance on things after the way Toronto was beat down in the first 2 games, or what calls for the sudden change? Toronto got thumped in Cleveland in the first 2 games last year too and then managed to hold serve at home. I would say, based on what I saw this week, that probably doesn't happen, but still, I'm confused why you're going back on your initial read so quickly. Just curious to hear your thoughts on that, or if you simply saw what the Raptors attempted in the first 2 games and realized that series bet is completely screwed.

    One last question. Seems others have mentioned it already too but I haven't seen your response. The Cavs destroy the Raptors in the first 2 games, Raptors look awful, adjustments aren't working, Lowry/DeRozan have been trash, Lowry might not even play, etc. Why do you think the line is so low still? I agree, it seems like it's Cavs or nothing, but how do the oddsmakers make this line so low in that situation? Makes me want to unload on Cleveland but that line just scares me a little lol

    Yes, of course I am changing my stance and yes that bet, likely a loser given this one, is still outstanding. The change in stance is everything in the OP and why.

    To the second question, as a general rule if you didn't cap a game fully, look to the line movement for favors. Massive public support typically doesn't hit.

    But the line is rising so much here the books will probably lose on the openining line and collect on something like -5 which it might close at. This happens sometimes and the books are reacting accordingly.

    You have to understand something about these books. They are set in their ways using archaic line setting methods.

    So what was the archaic method they used here?

    They took the last game at -8 Cavs in Cleveland and subtracted 6.5 and opened the game at -1.5 for the home/road switch.

    -6.5 for the switch is considered VERY LOW for a playoff game (as it can get as high as -10 for the switch to the other city).

    So opening the Cavs at -1.5 in Toronto is a very big deal TO THEM because of their antiquated line setting methodology. 

    But to us? We see -1.5 and only one point on the spread beats us while taking a team that literally violated another the previous two games.

    -2.5? Two points beats us? Still a good deal. 

    Vegas mindset? Old and gray much like Rip Van Winkle

    Shrewd Bettie mindset? Ahead of the game, like Biff from Back to the Future bringing a sports almanac back in time.

    The books look at -2.5 and start huffing and puffing saying "We got em now! We only adjusted this line 5.5 for home road!!! That's no adjustment at all!!!

    I calmly take the Cavs -2.5 and another sip of my lavender tea, hands double clutching my Cavs mug, in my Houston Oiler blue silk bathrobe, all without a worry in the world. 

    Read the OP bookies. You should have adjusted more upon opening. They're scrambling now to make up for it but we're already locked and loaded. This ain't no Kentucky Derby ticket that changes with the pooled bets baby. No sir.


     
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    im on it as well 
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 2:23 PM ET #41

    TOR is 4-0 when underdog by + 4 or + 4.5
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 2:52 PM ET #42

    I'm on cleveland so I'm hoping that the books are thinking they're gonna get us with the same line in game 4.
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    I'm on cleveland so I'm hoping that the books are thinking they're gonna get us with the same line in game 4.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:03 PM ET #43

    CLE 108 TOR 102
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:18 PM ET #44

    Thanks for clarifying and elaborating some more Scal. That was exactly the type of answer I was hoping for. Good luck on the Cavs tonight, I think they make a statement and go up 3-0 as well. Let's get it!
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    Thanks for clarifying and elaborating some more Scal. That was exactly the type of answer I was hoping for. Good luck on the Cavs tonight, I think they make a statement and go up 3-0 as well. Let's get it!
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:26 PM ET #45

    Raps!
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:26 PM ET #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinstonTheWolf:

    Scal , great write up as always ...the link below does concern me . GL regardless https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/cavaliers-public-support-reaching-historical-levels/
    Did the 4 public supported teams cover on that list?
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    Scal , great write up as always ...the link below does concern me . GL regardless https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/cavaliers-public-support-reaching-historical-levels/
    Did the 4 public supported teams cover on that list?
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 4:15 PM ET #48

    Easy Scal
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    Quote Originally Posted by composite:

    Did the 4 public supported teams cover on that list?
    Thanks Canada JNo, 0-4 ATS.
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    Did the 4 public supported teams cover on that list?
    Thanks Canada JNo, 0-4 ATS.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 4:40 PM ET #50

    You have Vegas figured out. How can you be this smart and under .500 this year?

    Max Miller a great member of congress!
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