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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:06 PM ET #26

    Full Game Plays

    Twins-Rangers UNDER 10.5, +110 (Liriano / Perez)

    One of the good reasons I chose the White Sox yesterday to upend the Rangers was that the Rangers are struggling with lefties lately. Quintana is not yet highly thought of and the public assumed the Rangers would smack him around pretty good. He went 8 innings, gave up 2 hits, 1 earned run and struck out 8. Not a bad days work. I currently list the Rangers with a 30.9 rating and 3.89 offensive era probability versus MLB medians of 33.6 and 4.34 respectively, so if the Rangers are likely to smack around the resurgent Liriano it simply does not compute. I wish I had more background on Perez but at this point with what I know is that he looks OK and the Twins are not exactly lefty killers or road warriors themselves. The line is set at 10.5 because most folks absolutely will automatically think of the Rangers at home in the heat of summer as “over, over, over” but  linemakers are not stupid and know the public needs their “easy” plays and has set the number where it will balance the books.

    Diamondbacks +101 (Kershaw / Collmenter)

    That line almost looks unfair and I hate to back a team to end a losing streak but if 63% of the public likes one side and the line moves the other way, maybe I should believe my own numbers because someone with deep pockets must feel the same way. If the D-Backs are to break this slump they will probably do it against a lefty, and I ma not crazy about going against one of the best, but the Dodgers offense is no Dream Team either so the D-Backs may not need many to win this one. I know the effort will be there because it always is and that is all I can ask.

    Padres +115 (Arroyo / Wells)

    Like The A’s last week I just can’t see backing off the Padres when they are playing well and have an eastern team in their home park. That distorts the true probability of how that team can hit at Petco and right now the Padres offense, in that park, is a better than even probability versus the Reds. The best thing I can say about Arroyo is that he is a very small factor better than average, but that gives him no great advantage over Wells, who is doing a very good job for the Padres. Plus money at home with a streaking team trips my trigger.   

    BOL

    All plays are a flat 100 units. Lines are current at Best Available American Online Book as I post

    5 Inning YTD: 53-66-14, -859 9 Inning YTD: 95-84, +2,587 NET. +1727 (+5.8% RoR)

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    Full Game Plays

    Twins-Rangers UNDER 10.5, +110 (Liriano / Perez)

    One of the good reasons I chose the White Sox yesterday to upend the Rangers was that the Rangers are struggling with lefties lately. Quintana is not yet highly thought of and the public assumed the Rangers would smack him around pretty good. He went 8 innings, gave up 2 hits, 1 earned run and struck out 8. Not a bad days work. I currently list the Rangers with a 30.9 rating and 3.89 offensive era probability versus MLB medians of 33.6 and 4.34 respectively, so if the Rangers are likely to smack around the resurgent Liriano it simply does not compute. I wish I had more background on Perez but at this point with what I know is that he looks OK and the Twins are not exactly lefty killers or road warriors themselves. The line is set at 10.5 because most folks absolutely will automatically think of the Rangers at home in the heat of summer as “over, over, over” but  linemakers are not stupid and know the public needs their “easy” plays and has set the number where it will balance the books.

    Diamondbacks +101 (Kershaw / Collmenter)

    That line almost looks unfair and I hate to back a team to end a losing streak but if 63% of the public likes one side and the line moves the other way, maybe I should believe my own numbers because someone with deep pockets must feel the same way. If the D-Backs are to break this slump they will probably do it against a lefty, and I ma not crazy about going against one of the best, but the Dodgers offense is no Dream Team either so the D-Backs may not need many to win this one. I know the effort will be there because it always is and that is all I can ask.

    Padres +115 (Arroyo / Wells)

    Like The A’s last week I just can’t see backing off the Padres when they are playing well and have an eastern team in their home park. That distorts the true probability of how that team can hit at Petco and right now the Padres offense, in that park, is a better than even probability versus the Reds. The best thing I can say about Arroyo is that he is a very small factor better than average, but that gives him no great advantage over Wells, who is doing a very good job for the Padres. Plus money at home with a streaking team trips my trigger.   

    BOL

    All plays are a flat 100 units. Lines are current at Best Available American Online Book as I post

    5 Inning YTD: 53-66-14, -859 9 Inning YTD: 95-84, +2,587 NET. +1727 (+5.8% RoR)

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:12 PM ET #28

    Yesterday sucked for me.  Moving on to an even harder day of capping:

    First 5 Inning Plays:

    Nationals RL -140

    Mets RL -120

    Padres +110

    I don't like 1 game more than the other but rather I like them all the same.  For this very reason I don't have a POD, but I do have it in the order of what my system says strongest to weakest.

    Full Game Play:

    Tigers over 9.5 -120

    side note I am terrible at totals for the most part.  So BOL to you all today.  I got a business golf game so no conversation from me today.


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    Yesterday sucked for me.  Moving on to an even harder day of capping:

    First 5 Inning Plays:

    Nationals RL -140

    Mets RL -120

    Padres +110

    I don't like 1 game more than the other but rather I like them all the same.  For this very reason I don't have a POD, but I do have it in the order of what my system says strongest to weakest.

    Full Game Play:

    Tigers over 9.5 -120

    side note I am terrible at totals for the most part.  So BOL to you all today.  I got a business golf game so no conversation from me today.


     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:17 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:

    Money management, Discipline and overall betting value thrown out of the window because of one tough MLB card, Not only is it the squarest play today it's an extremely inflated line but when he wins this he will say how 'I told you so'.

    I've got a sneaky feeling Smartbets part 2 maybe on the cards here folks 


    Another guy that failed Reading & Comprehension 101. The money management, discipline and value are all addressed and present today. There are no specific odds or dollar amounts that can not be played if the probability exceeds the risk. Your money, your choice. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwishSwish1234:

    Money management, Discipline and overall betting value thrown out of the window because of one tough MLB card, Not only is it the squarest play today it's an extremely inflated line but when he wins this he will say how 'I told you so'.

    I've got a sneaky feeling Smartbets part 2 maybe on the cards here folks 


    Another guy that failed Reading & Comprehension 101. The money management, discipline and value are all addressed and present today. There are no specific odds or dollar amounts that can not be played if the probability exceeds the risk. Your money, your choice. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:21 PM ET #30

    hey key element who do u think has a better shot at winning tn the jays or the giants if u had to pick one who would it be buddy


    thanks hope to hear back from you soon!
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    hey key element who do u think has a better shot at winning tn the jays or the giants if u had to pick one who would it be buddy


    thanks hope to hear back from you soon!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:23 PM ET #31

    Best of Luck 
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:23 PM ET #32

    bd_c: How about another Grand Salami UNDER 134.5? I get 128 at the very top end.
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    bd_c: How about another Grand Salami UNDER 134.5? I get 128 at the very top end.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:23 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Another guy that failed Reading & Comprehension 101. The money management, discipline and value are all addressed and present today. There are no specific odds or dollar amounts that can not be played if the probability exceeds the risk. Your money, your choice. 


    Like you said Key let it go.  We have been successful long enough that we both know there is nothing we have to prove anymore to show our success here.  People want to talk and try to look like the smarter guy on here than whatever.  Let them do it.  For us we already know what it takes to be successful.  Got to spend money to make money. There is no point in trying to argue with Swish about it.  Let him learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Another guy that failed Reading & Comprehension 101. The money management, discipline and value are all addressed and present today. There are no specific odds or dollar amounts that can not be played if the probability exceeds the risk. Your money, your choice. 


    Like you said Key let it go.  We have been successful long enough that we both know there is nothing we have to prove anymore to show our success here.  People want to talk and try to look like the smarter guy on here than whatever.  Let them do it.  For us we already know what it takes to be successful.  Got to spend money to make money. There is no point in trying to argue with Swish about it.  Let him learn.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:26 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBOW12:

    hey key element who do u think has a better shot at winning tn the jays or the giants if u had to pick one who would it be buddy


    thanks hope to hear back from you soon!


    I think they both lose
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBOW12:

    hey key element who do u think has a better shot at winning tn the jays or the giants if u had to pick one who would it be buddy


    thanks hope to hear back from you soon!


    I think they both lose
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:26 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBOW12:

    hey key element who do u think has a better shot at winning tn the jays or the giants if u had to pick one who would it be buddy
    thanks hope to hear back from you soon!
    With a gun to my head I guess it would be Blue Jays but please don't tell anyone you heard it here, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBOW12:

    hey key element who do u think has a better shot at winning tn the jays or the giants if u had to pick one who would it be buddy
    thanks hope to hear back from you soon!
    With a gun to my head I guess it would be Blue Jays but please don't tell anyone you heard it here, lol.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:26 PM ET #36

    In June, this is what Kip Wells did at AAA

    0-3
    With a 6.13 ERA
    31 Hits and 16 walks in 22 innings.
    If you think Arroyo is average, Over 7 seems too easy.
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    In June, this is what Kip Wells did at AAA

    0-3
    With a 6.13 ERA
    31 Hits and 16 walks in 22 innings.
    If you think Arroyo is average, Over 7 seems too easy.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:28 PM ET #37

    hahahah thanks brother
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    hahahah thanks brother
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:29 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    bd_c: How about another Grand Salami UNDER 134.5? I get 128 at the very top end.


    There are a lot of good pitching again today.  Problem is there are 2 or 3 games that I see can kill this total for us. Boston, Detroit and Cleveland.  You get 15-20 runs in each of those games and the salami is dead.  Especially the fact you got a lot of new series starting today for the weekend.  I just got to lay off it.  My numbers indicate an under as well so i can back you up on this one.  Just the 3 games i point out indicate overs and they have a chance of getting real ugly
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    bd_c: How about another Grand Salami UNDER 134.5? I get 128 at the very top end.


    There are a lot of good pitching again today.  Problem is there are 2 or 3 games that I see can kill this total for us. Boston, Detroit and Cleveland.  You get 15-20 runs in each of those games and the salami is dead.  Especially the fact you got a lot of new series starting today for the weekend.  I just got to lay off it.  My numbers indicate an under as well so i can back you up on this one.  Just the 3 games i point out indicate overs and they have a chance of getting real ugly
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:41 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by NaciremaDream:

    In June, this is what Kip Wells did at AAA
    0-3
    With a 6.13 ERA
    31 Hits and 16 walks in 22 innings.
    If you think Arroyo is average, Over 7 seems too easy.
    Not in that freakin park man, over 7 is risky. The ball comes off the bat and..............................diiiiiieeeeeees. Even grounders look slow there and that is almost impossible. BOL if you do it.

    You know, it's a funny thing about AAA. Some guys are there working their up to the show while others already know they are going up and will work on everything but winning, sort of like Spring Training. I suspect that was the plan for Wells and he worked on conditioning, form, pitches, and half a dozen other things. If that were not the intent I don't think he would have been the guy called up. Food for thought anyway.
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    In June, this is what Kip Wells did at AAA
    0-3
    With a 6.13 ERA
    31 Hits and 16 walks in 22 innings.
    If you think Arroyo is average, Over 7 seems too easy.
    Not in that freakin park man, over 7 is risky. The ball comes off the bat and..............................diiiiiieeeeeees. Even grounders look slow there and that is almost impossible. BOL if you do it.

    You know, it's a funny thing about AAA. Some guys are there working their up to the show while others already know they are going up and will work on everything but winning, sort of like Spring Training. I suspect that was the plan for Wells and he worked on conditioning, form, pitches, and half a dozen other things. If that were not the intent I don't think he would have been the guy called up. Food for thought anyway.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 3:44 PM ET #40

    Bol Key....
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    Ok, we'll pass on the Salami and I can bash you tomorrow if it goes under, fair enough.

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    Ok, we'll pass on the Salami and I can bash you tomorrow if it goes under, fair enough.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 4:13 PM ET #42

    BOL to all you of today.  I am off to go and golf
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 4:17 PM ET #43

    Like the Minny / Tex under 11--Rangers not crushin it, and Liriano's been lights out there when he wants to be.

    Agree w/ you on the Pads.

    I like both Pennsylvania teams to roll today. Maybe both of those games to go over also. Any thoughts on Pitt or Phils?

     

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    Like the Minny / Tex under 11--Rangers not crushin it, and Liriano's been lights out there when he wants to be.

    Agree w/ you on the Pads.

    I like both Pennsylvania teams to roll today. Maybe both of those games to go over also. Any thoughts on Pitt or Phils?

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 4:30 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    5 Inning POD  

    Nationals -220 (Pomeranz / Strasburg)

    I will be surprised if I don’t get crucified for this because it just does not fit the Covers description of value. 99% of Covers posters simply can not accept the concept that value is a matter of probability versus payback. At -220 the Nationals and Strasburg pay back 45.5 cents on the dollar of risk and require a 68.8% probability of a win to pass the break even point. I compute an extremely high 93% probability and an edge of 24.4% in this business is huge. Here is some more good news. The margin I have computed is not just Strasburg over Pomeranz. The Nationals also have a huge offensive edge. The Rockies are reeling and ready to collapse. They are looking forward to the break because that will give them three less days to lose games. This team stinks. They have been passed up by San Diego for God’s sake! They have lost 7 of their last 10 games overall and 15 of 20 to right handed starters and over the course of 20 games you can figure pretty average pitching. Just to save you the trouble the 5 they beat were Worley, Lewis, Jackson, Marquis and Kelly. That is not exactly a murderer’s row. Over the course of their last 15 versus righty they have established a 3.23 offensive era. The Nationals are improving rapidly on offense and have established a 7.17 offensive era versus the last 15 lefties they have seen. Pitching, offense and home field versus a team that just wants a holiday as soon as possible make this line cheap, not expensive. How many other investments do you have that are going to make 45.45% profit in just a few hours today?   

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    Nationals -213 (Pomeranz / Strasburg)

    The principle is exactly the same, so this is a good point to segue into………

    95% of Covers viewers considering this play will think in term of “Gee, I hate to risk $433 on one game to try to make $200, Key’s other plays may not cover that.” Here is where I will state, possibly for the last time since noone listens, adding the juice to favorites is not necessarily correct. There has never been a documented study that proved that. It is traditional only because the math is easy and the books post the lines that way. Is it possible the books never encourage a player to do it any other way because they really like the results? Well, the standard line given is that it is correct because of the higher probability of the favorite winning. Oh? Is that right? What is a favorite? Not necessarily the better team on any given day, they are just the side the public favors to win the game. That is where the term favorite comes from. If it were true a bettor should only bet $114 on his favorites and $86 on his underdogs. Why? Because over the long haul the favorites chosen by the public will only win 57% of the time. There is a reason why with a 95-84 record in 9 inning plays I am up 2,587 and part of that reason is that I do not lose added juice on favorites. If I were a $100 player I would play these two picks for $100 each and accept $92.40 profit on the $200 risk if both won, but not bust the bankroll with a $433 dollar wager that would be much harder to recover later if it lost.

    Kick that around a while, I will be back with more.


    just lmao at 93%, and i thought lines were tight? and nice rant in the 2nd part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    5 Inning POD  

    Nationals -220 (Pomeranz / Strasburg)

    I will be surprised if I don’t get crucified for this because it just does not fit the Covers description of value. 99% of Covers posters simply can not accept the concept that value is a matter of probability versus payback. At -220 the Nationals and Strasburg pay back 45.5 cents on the dollar of risk and require a 68.8% probability of a win to pass the break even point. I compute an extremely high 93% probability and an edge of 24.4% in this business is huge. Here is some more good news. The margin I have computed is not just Strasburg over Pomeranz. The Nationals also have a huge offensive edge. The Rockies are reeling and ready to collapse. They are looking forward to the break because that will give them three less days to lose games. This team stinks. They have been passed up by San Diego for God’s sake! They have lost 7 of their last 10 games overall and 15 of 20 to right handed starters and over the course of 20 games you can figure pretty average pitching. Just to save you the trouble the 5 they beat were Worley, Lewis, Jackson, Marquis and Kelly. That is not exactly a murderer’s row. Over the course of their last 15 versus righty they have established a 3.23 offensive era. The Nationals are improving rapidly on offense and have established a 7.17 offensive era versus the last 15 lefties they have seen. Pitching, offense and home field versus a team that just wants a holiday as soon as possible make this line cheap, not expensive. How many other investments do you have that are going to make 45.45% profit in just a few hours today?   

    Full Game Plays

    Nationals -213 (Pomeranz / Strasburg)

    The principle is exactly the same, so this is a good point to segue into………

    95% of Covers viewers considering this play will think in term of “Gee, I hate to risk $433 on one game to try to make $200, Key’s other plays may not cover that.” Here is where I will state, possibly for the last time since noone listens, adding the juice to favorites is not necessarily correct. There has never been a documented study that proved that. It is traditional only because the math is easy and the books post the lines that way. Is it possible the books never encourage a player to do it any other way because they really like the results? Well, the standard line given is that it is correct because of the higher probability of the favorite winning. Oh? Is that right? What is a favorite? Not necessarily the better team on any given day, they are just the side the public favors to win the game. That is where the term favorite comes from. If it were true a bettor should only bet $114 on his favorites and $86 on his underdogs. Why? Because over the long haul the favorites chosen by the public will only win 57% of the time. There is a reason why with a 95-84 record in 9 inning plays I am up 2,587 and part of that reason is that I do not lose added juice on favorites. If I were a $100 player I would play these two picks for $100 each and accept $92.40 profit on the $200 risk if both won, but not bust the bankroll with a $433 dollar wager that would be much harder to recover later if it lost.

    Kick that around a while, I will be back with more.


    just lmao at 93%, and i thought lines were tight? and nice rant in the 2nd part.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 4:31 PM ET #45

    Nice writeups
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 4:41 PM ET #46

    KE...excellent writeups and insight.
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    KE...excellent writeups and insight.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 4:48 PM ET #47

    KEY BDC AND  JEG  AND EVERYBODY IN HERE  BOL TODAY

    GETTNG INN LATE  BUT ON  TIME FOR KILLING  THE BOOKS THIS FRIDAY NIGHT

    GENTLEMAN LETS GET THAT GREEN TODAY  
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    KEY BDC AND  JEG  AND EVERYBODY IN HERE  BOL TODAY

    GETTNG INN LATE  BUT ON  TIME FOR KILLING  THE BOOKS THIS FRIDAY NIGHT

    GENTLEMAN LETS GET THAT GREEN TODAY  
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 4:50 PM ET #48

    Key, where you live in Arizona???.
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 4:57 PM ET #49

    QUOTE Originally Posted by backdooor_cover:

    you guys are funny... by the way is Elgallo and I allowed in your home in case we decide to vacation there? You the stupid laws they have in Arizona may require us to hide out for a bit.  By the way i might be stopping in Phoenix on my way to Vegas some time in October.  If it happens i will let you know
    Of course you guys are welcome. Just give us enough notice to hide the silverware and send the kids to out of town relatives for a few days. Our guest room has only one bed, so if you get cozy please keep the noise down.

    SO COZY AND NOISY?? HA HA HA
    JUST READ IT FROM YESTERDAY,
    NO DONT THINK WILL GET COZY , LESS TO SAY NOISY.
    BETTER LOOK FOR A HOTEL AND TAKE THE GIRLS DOWN THERE. HE HE DONT U THINK SO B_ d c  ???
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    QUOTE Originally Posted by backdooor_cover:

    you guys are funny... by the way is Elgallo and I allowed in your home in case we decide to vacation there? You the stupid laws they have in Arizona may require us to hide out for a bit.  By the way i might be stopping in Phoenix on my way to Vegas some time in October.  If it happens i will let you know
    Of course you guys are welcome. Just give us enough notice to hide the silverware and send the kids to out of town relatives for a few days. Our guest room has only one bed, so if you get cozy please keep the noise down.

    SO COZY AND NOISY?? HA HA HA
    JUST READ IT FROM YESTERDAY,
    NO DONT THINK WILL GET COZY , LESS TO SAY NOISY.
    BETTER LOOK FOR A HOTEL AND TAKE THE GIRLS DOWN THERE. HE HE DONT U THINK SO B_ d c  ???
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2012 - 5:23 PM ET #50

    Sorry Key...can't pull the trigger on a play with juice this high...too much can go wrong during just a regular season game...even the good teams this year are barely over 60%...no clear cut great teams as of yet...

    However...love the play on San Diego...with you all the way there...Good Luck!

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    Sorry Key...can't pull the trigger on a play with juice this high...too much can go wrong during just a regular season game...even the good teams this year are barely over 60%...no clear cut great teams as of yet...

    However...love the play on San Diego...with you all the way there...Good Luck!

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