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    dark oxygen in the ocean

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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2025 - 7:59 PM ET #1

    potato sized rocks at the bottom of the ocean that produces an electric charge. these things split seawater into hydrogen and oxygen. there's enough down there for electric cars for everyone. the future that was envisioned with clean energy is seemingly very near. 

     read the link

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    potato sized rocks at the bottom of the ocean that produces an electric charge. these things split seawater into hydrogen and oxygen. there's enough down there for electric cars for everyone. the future that was envisioned with clean energy is seemingly very near. 

     read the link

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2025 - 9:57 PM ET #2

    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/asteroids/16-psyche/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20intriguing,irregular%2C%20potato%2Dlike%20shape.

    Instead of  destroying the oceans eco system this is free for the taking.... Same technology to go that deep can go up.... 

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    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/asteroids/16-psyche/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20intriguing,irregular%2C%20potato%2Dlike%20shape.

    Instead of  destroying the oceans eco system this is free for the taking.... Same technology to go that deep can go up.... 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2025 - 10:11 PM ET #3

    The space craft. We already launched to survey psyche is due to arrive in 2029. 

     

    Psyche’s main computer, flight software, fault-protection systems, and most of the telecommunications systems come from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Southern California. A Palo Alto, California, division of Colorado-based Maxar Technologies provided the main body of the spacecraft and most of its engineering hardware systems.

    The spacecraft also includes a technology demonstration. Attached to Psyche is the Deep Space Optical Communications (DSOC), a NASA experiment that will test optical, or laser, communications beyond the Moon.

    Magnetometer
    The orbiter’s magnetometer will look for evidence of an ancient magnetic field at asteroid Psyche. Unlike Earth and other rocky planets that generate a magnetic field in their liquid metallic cores, small bodies like asteroids do not generate one because they are frozen. Confirmation of a remanent magnetic field at Psyche would be strong evidence that the asteroid formed from the core of a planetary body.

    Gravity Science
    The Psyche science team will rely on the telecommunications system, primarily used to send commands to and receive data from the spacecraft, to conduct gravity science. By analyzing the X-band radio waves the spacecraft communicates with, scientists can measure how asteroid Psyche affects the spacecraft’s orbit. From that information, scientists can determine the asteroid’s rotation, mass, and gravity field, providing additional clues about the composition and structure of Psyche’s interior.

    Deep Space Optical Communications (DSOC)
    Bolted to a side of the Psyche spacecraft is a pioneering technology demonstration: NASA’s Deep Space Optical Communications experiment, or DSOC. Using a near-infrared laser, DSOC is the agency’s first test of high-bandwidth optical communications between Earth and distances far exceeding the Moon.

    Source https://science.nasa.gov/mission/psyche/spacecraft/

    Before Trump is out of office we will know what psyche is made of and with a mass of 168,000 cubic kilometers there is plenty of material.for a mining expedition and staging point on Mars.

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    The space craft. We already launched to survey psyche is due to arrive in 2029. 

     

    Psyche’s main computer, flight software, fault-protection systems, and most of the telecommunications systems come from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Southern California. A Palo Alto, California, division of Colorado-based Maxar Technologies provided the main body of the spacecraft and most of its engineering hardware systems.

    The spacecraft also includes a technology demonstration. Attached to Psyche is the Deep Space Optical Communications (DSOC), a NASA experiment that will test optical, or laser, communications beyond the Moon.

    Magnetometer
    The orbiter’s magnetometer will look for evidence of an ancient magnetic field at asteroid Psyche. Unlike Earth and other rocky planets that generate a magnetic field in their liquid metallic cores, small bodies like asteroids do not generate one because they are frozen. Confirmation of a remanent magnetic field at Psyche would be strong evidence that the asteroid formed from the core of a planetary body.

    Gravity Science
    The Psyche science team will rely on the telecommunications system, primarily used to send commands to and receive data from the spacecraft, to conduct gravity science. By analyzing the X-band radio waves the spacecraft communicates with, scientists can measure how asteroid Psyche affects the spacecraft’s orbit. From that information, scientists can determine the asteroid’s rotation, mass, and gravity field, providing additional clues about the composition and structure of Psyche’s interior.

    Deep Space Optical Communications (DSOC)
    Bolted to a side of the Psyche spacecraft is a pioneering technology demonstration: NASA’s Deep Space Optical Communications experiment, or DSOC. Using a near-infrared laser, DSOC is the agency’s first test of high-bandwidth optical communications between Earth and distances far exceeding the Moon.

    Source https://science.nasa.gov/mission/psyche/spacecraft/

    Before Trump is out of office we will know what psyche is made of and with a mass of 168,000 cubic kilometers there is plenty of material.for a mining expedition and staging point on Mars.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2025 - 6:52 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/asteroids/16-psyche/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20intriguing,irregular%2C%20potato%2Dlike%20shape. Instead of  destroying the oceans eco system this is free for the taking.... Same technology to go that deep can go up....
    in the future, maybe. mining in space is still in the early stages on paper. also think that the project will be different from what is already going on in the oceans. everything from processes and technology might be engineered differently to meet demands of outerspace. but that's a great point and i agree that space mining is a better solution and alternative to destroying the oceans eco system. a well thought out approach will keep from further adding to the ongoing issues created on earth. instead the focus can be shifted to outerspace and we can worry about the damage done by pollution in the galaxy in a far off distant time. for right now, however, ocean mining is the only option for these minerals. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/asteroids/16-psyche/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20intriguing,irregular%2C%20potato%2Dlike%20shape. Instead of  destroying the oceans eco system this is free for the taking.... Same technology to go that deep can go up....
    in the future, maybe. mining in space is still in the early stages on paper. also think that the project will be different from what is already going on in the oceans. everything from processes and technology might be engineered differently to meet demands of outerspace. but that's a great point and i agree that space mining is a better solution and alternative to destroying the oceans eco system. a well thought out approach will keep from further adding to the ongoing issues created on earth. instead the focus can be shifted to outerspace and we can worry about the damage done by pollution in the galaxy in a far off distant time. for right now, however, ocean mining is the only option for these minerals. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2025 - 8:39 AM ET #5

    Another region is beneath the ice in Antarctica outside of the coast line there is very little life to disturb on the continent itself. 

    This survey was conducted in 1974.

    Although the existence of mineral deposits in Antarctica is highly probable, the chances of finding them are quite small. Minerals have been found there in great variety but only as occurrences. Manganese nodules, water (as ice), geothermal energy, coal, petroleum, and natural gas are potential resources that could perhaps be exploited in the future. On the basis of known mineral occurrences in Antarctica and relationships between geologic provinces of Antarctica and those of neighboring Gondwana continents, the best discovery probability for a base-metal deposit in any part of Antarctica is in the Andean orogen; it is estimated to be 0.075 (75 chances in 1,000)

    This is a government project. 

    https://www.usgs.gov/publications/mineral-resources-antarctica

    Going 4 km under the ocean. Or a half a mile through the ice. Both are huge undertakings involving a ton of logistics to create a potential profit. However in risk reward I would rather be on an continent than 3.5 miles under the ocean.

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    Another region is beneath the ice in Antarctica outside of the coast line there is very little life to disturb on the continent itself. 

    This survey was conducted in 1974.

    Although the existence of mineral deposits in Antarctica is highly probable, the chances of finding them are quite small. Minerals have been found there in great variety but only as occurrences. Manganese nodules, water (as ice), geothermal energy, coal, petroleum, and natural gas are potential resources that could perhaps be exploited in the future. On the basis of known mineral occurrences in Antarctica and relationships between geologic provinces of Antarctica and those of neighboring Gondwana continents, the best discovery probability for a base-metal deposit in any part of Antarctica is in the Andean orogen; it is estimated to be 0.075 (75 chances in 1,000)

    This is a government project. 

    https://www.usgs.gov/publications/mineral-resources-antarctica

    Going 4 km under the ocean. Or a half a mile through the ice. Both are huge undertakings involving a ton of logistics to create a potential profit. However in risk reward I would rather be on an continent than 3.5 miles under the ocean.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2025 - 8:44 AM ET #6

    Abstract

    The Andean orogen region is off of South America where Britain United States has scientific observatories 

    The Antarctic rock record spans some 3.5 billion years of history, and has made important contributions to our understanding of how Earth's continents assemble and disperse through time. Correlations between Antarctica and other southern continents were critical to the concept of Gondwana, the Palaeozoic supercontinent used to support early arguments for continental drift, while evidence for Proterozoic connections between Antarctica and North America led to the ‘SWEAT’ configuration (linking SW USA to East Antarctica) for an early Neoproterozoic supercontinent known as Rodinia. Antarctica also contains relicts of an older Palaeo- to Mesoproterozoic supercontinent known as Nuna, along with several Archaean fragments that belonged to one or more ‘supercratons’ in Neoarchaean times. It thus seems likely that Antarctica contains remnants of most, if not all, of Earth's supercontinents, and Antarctic research continues to provide insights into their palaeogeography and geological evolution. One area of research is the latest Neoproterozoic–Mesozoic active margin of Gondwana, preserved in Antarctica as the Ross Orogen and a number of outboard terranes that now form West Antarctica. Major episodes of magmatism, deformation and metamorphism along this palaeo-Pacific margin at 590–500 and 300–230 Ma can be linked to reduced convergence along the internal collisional orogens that formed Gondwana and Pangaea, respectively; indicating that accretionary systems are sensitive to changes in the global plate tectonic budget. Other research has focused on Grenville-age (c. 1.0 Ga) and Pan-African (c. 0.5 Ga) metamorphism in the East Antarctic Craton. These global-scale events record the amalgamation of Rodinia and Gondwana, respectively. Three coastal segments of Grenville-age metamorphism in the Indian Ocean sector of Antarctica

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    Abstract

    The Andean orogen region is off of South America where Britain United States has scientific observatories 

    The Antarctic rock record spans some 3.5 billion years of history, and has made important contributions to our understanding of how Earth's continents assemble and disperse through time. Correlations between Antarctica and other southern continents were critical to the concept of Gondwana, the Palaeozoic supercontinent used to support early arguments for continental drift, while evidence for Proterozoic connections between Antarctica and North America led to the ‘SWEAT’ configuration (linking SW USA to East Antarctica) for an early Neoproterozoic supercontinent known as Rodinia. Antarctica also contains relicts of an older Palaeo- to Mesoproterozoic supercontinent known as Nuna, along with several Archaean fragments that belonged to one or more ‘supercratons’ in Neoarchaean times. It thus seems likely that Antarctica contains remnants of most, if not all, of Earth's supercontinents, and Antarctic research continues to provide insights into their palaeogeography and geological evolution. One area of research is the latest Neoproterozoic–Mesozoic active margin of Gondwana, preserved in Antarctica as the Ross Orogen and a number of outboard terranes that now form West Antarctica. Major episodes of magmatism, deformation and metamorphism along this palaeo-Pacific margin at 590–500 and 300–230 Ma can be linked to reduced convergence along the internal collisional orogens that formed Gondwana and Pangaea, respectively; indicating that accretionary systems are sensitive to changes in the global plate tectonic budget. Other research has focused on Grenville-age (c. 1.0 Ga) and Pan-African (c. 0.5 Ga) metamorphism in the East Antarctic Craton. These global-scale events record the amalgamation of Rodinia and Gondwana, respectively. Three coastal segments of Grenville-age metamorphism in the Indian Ocean sector of Antarctica

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2025 - 1:39 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Another region is beneath the ice in Antarctica outside of the coast line there is very little life to disturb on the continent itself.  This survey was conducted in 1974. Although the existence of mineral deposits in Antarctica is highly probable, the chances of finding them are quite small. Minerals have been found there in great variety but only as occurrences. Manganese nodules, water (as ice), geothermal energy, coal, petroleum, and natural gas are potential resources that could perhaps be exploited in the future. On the basis of known mineral occurrences in Antarctica and relationships between geologic provinces of Antarctica and those of neighboring Gondwana continents, the best discovery probability for a base-metal deposit in any part of Antarctica is in the Andean orogen; it is estimated to be 0.075 (75 chances in 1,000) This is a government project.  https://www.usgs.gov/publications/mineral-resources-antarctica Going 4 km under the ocean. Or a half a mile through the ice. Both are huge undertakings involving a ton of logistics to create a potential profit. However in risk reward I would rather be on an continent than 3.5 miles under the ocean.

     

    Drilling in the Arctics can’t be done especially in this type of weather and climate. That’s already a problem that gets worse with global warming melting away the ice. The beginning of mining activities in the region will make matters worse than they are. Nations have set that continent off limits in an agreement to make it zone free of mining to preserve the remaining of the ecosystem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Another region is beneath the ice in Antarctica outside of the coast line there is very little life to disturb on the continent itself.  This survey was conducted in 1974. Although the existence of mineral deposits in Antarctica is highly probable, the chances of finding them are quite small. Minerals have been found there in great variety but only as occurrences. Manganese nodules, water (as ice), geothermal energy, coal, petroleum, and natural gas are potential resources that could perhaps be exploited in the future. On the basis of known mineral occurrences in Antarctica and relationships between geologic provinces of Antarctica and those of neighboring Gondwana continents, the best discovery probability for a base-metal deposit in any part of Antarctica is in the Andean orogen; it is estimated to be 0.075 (75 chances in 1,000) This is a government project.  https://www.usgs.gov/publications/mineral-resources-antarctica Going 4 km under the ocean. Or a half a mile through the ice. Both are huge undertakings involving a ton of logistics to create a potential profit. However in risk reward I would rather be on an continent than 3.5 miles under the ocean.

     

    Drilling in the Arctics can’t be done especially in this type of weather and climate. That’s already a problem that gets worse with global warming melting away the ice. The beginning of mining activities in the region will make matters worse than they are. Nations have set that continent off limits in an agreement to make it zone free of mining to preserve the remaining of the ecosystem.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2025 - 3:15 PM ET #8

    We still in the artic ocean. Alot has changed in 50 years since the survey was done 

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    We still in the artic ocean. Alot has changed in 50 years since the survey was done 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2025 - 3:23 PM ET #9

    They might not be a penguin but they are life and have the right to oxygen.

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    They might not be a penguin but they are life and have the right to oxygen.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 17, 2025 - 4:17 PM ET #10

    Put quartz under pressure you get an electric current

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    Put quartz under pressure you get an electric current

     
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    Some people are saying it can slow down the ageing process in Humans. We might live longer, like 200 to 300 years. Not sure though.

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    Some people are saying it can slow down the ageing process in Humans. We might live longer, like 200 to 300 years. Not sure though.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luv69:

    Some people are saying it can slow down the ageing process in Humans. We might live longer, like 200 to 300 years. Not sure though.

    Reverse aging is possible.

    ABSTRACT

    Aging is characterized by a gradual decline in function, partly due to accumulated molecular damage. Human skin undergoes both chronological aging and environmental degradation, particularly UV-induced photoaging. Detrimental structural and physiological changes caused by aging include epidermal thinning due to stem cell depletion and dermal atrophy associated with decreased collagen production. Here, we present a comprehensive single-cell atlas of skin aging, analyzing samples from young, middle-aged, and elderly individuals, including both sun-exposed and sun-protected areas. This atlas reveals age-related cellular composition and function changes across various skin cell types, including epidermal stem cells, fibroblasts, hair follicles, and endothelial cells. Using our atlas, we have identified basal stem cells as a highly variable population across aging, more so than other skin cell populations such as fibroblasts. In basal stem cells, we identified ATF3 as a novel regulator of skin aging. ATF3 is a transcriptional factor for genes involved in the aging process, with its expression reduced by 20% during aging. Based on this discovery, we have developed an innovative mRNA-based treatment to mitigate the effects of skin aging. Cell senescence decreased 25% in skin cells treated with ATF3 mRNA, and we observed an over 20% increase in proliferation in treated basal stem cells. Importantly, we also found crosstalk between keratinocytes and fibroblasts as a critical component of therapeutic interventions, with ATF3 rescue of basal cells significantly enhancing fibroblast collagen production by approximately 200%. We conclude that ATF3-targeted mRNA treatment effectively reverses the effects of skin aging by modulating specific cellular mechanisms, offering a novel, targeted approach to human skin rejuvenation

    Source.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.11.12.623261v1

    Same technology can be utilized to reverse aging in every cell tissue and organ system in the body. Fountain of perpetual youth is found but we need to repopulate other planets and they increase our biosphere to other celestial bodies before this becomes a reality... In other words we can't live a thousand years and remain here without serious harm to this biosphere.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luv69:

    Some people are saying it can slow down the ageing process in Humans. We might live longer, like 200 to 300 years. Not sure though.

    Reverse aging is possible.

    ABSTRACT

    Aging is characterized by a gradual decline in function, partly due to accumulated molecular damage. Human skin undergoes both chronological aging and environmental degradation, particularly UV-induced photoaging. Detrimental structural and physiological changes caused by aging include epidermal thinning due to stem cell depletion and dermal atrophy associated with decreased collagen production. Here, we present a comprehensive single-cell atlas of skin aging, analyzing samples from young, middle-aged, and elderly individuals, including both sun-exposed and sun-protected areas. This atlas reveals age-related cellular composition and function changes across various skin cell types, including epidermal stem cells, fibroblasts, hair follicles, and endothelial cells. Using our atlas, we have identified basal stem cells as a highly variable population across aging, more so than other skin cell populations such as fibroblasts. In basal stem cells, we identified ATF3 as a novel regulator of skin aging. ATF3 is a transcriptional factor for genes involved in the aging process, with its expression reduced by 20% during aging. Based on this discovery, we have developed an innovative mRNA-based treatment to mitigate the effects of skin aging. Cell senescence decreased 25% in skin cells treated with ATF3 mRNA, and we observed an over 20% increase in proliferation in treated basal stem cells. Importantly, we also found crosstalk between keratinocytes and fibroblasts as a critical component of therapeutic interventions, with ATF3 rescue of basal cells significantly enhancing fibroblast collagen production by approximately 200%. We conclude that ATF3-targeted mRNA treatment effectively reverses the effects of skin aging by modulating specific cellular mechanisms, offering a novel, targeted approach to human skin rejuvenation

    Source.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.11.12.623261v1

    Same technology can be utilized to reverse aging in every cell tissue and organ system in the body. Fountain of perpetual youth is found but we need to repopulate other planets and they increase our biosphere to other celestial bodies before this becomes a reality... In other words we can't live a thousand years and remain here without serious harm to this biosphere.

     

     
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    This can be achieved it is an engineering and technology equation. If we are to explore the cosmos 

    We will need to understand the challenges of a 300 year mission to colonize a new earth 

     

    New Heavens and a New Earth
    17 “See, I will create
    new heavens and a new earth.
    The former things will not be remembered,
    nor will they come to mind.
    18 But be glad and rejoice forever
    in what I will create,
    for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
    and its people a joy.
    19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
    and take delight in my people;
    the sound of weeping and of crying
    will be heard in it no more.

    20 “Never again will there be in it
    an infant who lives but a few days,
    or an old man who does not live out his years;
    the one who dies at a hundred
    will be thought a mere child;
    the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
    will be considered accursed.
    21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
    they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
    22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
    or plant and others eat.
    For as the days of a tree,
    so will be the days of my people;
    my chosen ones will long enjoy
    the work of their hands.
    23 They will not labor in vain,
    nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
    for they will be a people blessed by the Lord,
    they and their descendants with them.
    24 Before they call I will answer;
    while they are still speaking I will hear.
    25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
    and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
    and dust will be the serpent’s food.
    They will neither harm nor destroy
    on all my holy mountain,”
    says the Lord.

    Isaiah 65 17-25.

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    This can be achieved it is an engineering and technology equation. If we are to explore the cosmos 

    We will need to understand the challenges of a 300 year mission to colonize a new earth 

     

    New Heavens and a New Earth
    17 “See, I will create
    new heavens and a new earth.
    The former things will not be remembered,
    nor will they come to mind.
    18 But be glad and rejoice forever
    in what I will create,
    for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
    and its people a joy.
    19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
    and take delight in my people;
    the sound of weeping and of crying
    will be heard in it no more.

    20 “Never again will there be in it
    an infant who lives but a few days,
    or an old man who does not live out his years;
    the one who dies at a hundred
    will be thought a mere child;
    the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
    will be considered accursed.
    21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
    they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
    22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
    or plant and others eat.
    For as the days of a tree,
    so will be the days of my people;
    my chosen ones will long enjoy
    the work of their hands.
    23 They will not labor in vain,
    nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
    for they will be a people blessed by the Lord,
    they and their descendants with them.
    24 Before they call I will answer;
    while they are still speaking I will hear.
    25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
    and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
    and dust will be the serpent’s food.
    They will neither harm nor destroy
    on all my holy mountain,”
    says the Lord.

    Isaiah 65 17-25.

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2025 - 7:41 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    We still in the artic ocean. Alot has changed in 50 years since the survey was done
    **antarctica 

    Nuthin but a g thang baby
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    We still in the artic ocean. Alot has changed in 50 years since the survey was done
    **antarctica 

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