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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 11:33 AM ET #1

    SEASON RECORD: 19-15, +7.15 units
     
    A nice hit on Loyola Marymount yesterday although they choked in the final minutes on the moneyline. At +7, they never trailed by more than 5 the entire game but gave me a scare when they failed to score a point for almost 7:30 minutes until they finally scored with 5 seconds left in the game....I didn't mention it the other day, but what a lucky break in the OVER in St. Johns/St. Mary's. At over 142.5, I needed 45 points in the final 3:47 of the game to cover, which seems virtually impossible. If I told you in the final 3:47. St. Mary's wouldn't hit a field goal the rest of the game, you would've bet the farm on the under. Well St. Mary's hit 22 foul shots in the the final 3:47 and 49 points were scored during that time to put it over. WOW! I feel for anyone who had the UNDER in that game.....for you old time rock and roll fans, just saw Roger Waters' "Wall" tour. What an incredible show and experience!!!!!
     
    TENNESSEE MARTIN +16 (2 UNITS) - I'm not sure LSU should be favored by 16.5 over Our Sisters of the Blind so if they cover today, this will become Tenn-Martin's new nickname. LSU is not a good basketball team right now. They struggled in an 8 point win over Northwestern State and then ended an 82 game win steak against in-state schools in an embarrassing 62-53 home loss to Nichols State.
     
    After their recent loss, Head Coach Trent Johnson stated,

    I am just going to read some stats to you because it just reinforces the things that we have been talking about to this team and the things that we have been working on to this team. Everybody understands that we are shooting 48 percent from the field and 39 percent from beyond the arc. We are shooting 70 percent from the free throw line, and we have 21 assists and 43 turnovers. Our opponents, in two games, are shooting 39 percent from the field and 28 percent from beyond the arc. They are shooting 57 percent from the free throw line. We have 16 offensive rebounds and they have 35 offensive rebounds. We have 43 turnovers and they have 22. At home, through two games, the score is 140-140.

    "That speaks volumes to everything that I believe and that this group has got to believe, which is that if you defend, rebound and take care of the ball, then you have an opportunity to be successful. We talked about it and worked on it. The thing that bothers me is that we have two guys on this team that in two games have more assists than turnovers - and they are both freshman. The majority of our turnovers and breakdowns defensively are coming from guys that have been in the program for two or three years. That is where we are at. The only positive in all of this is that it is early. Again, I want to make sure that everybody understands like I told them (Tuesday) night. This is not a panic speech. Everyone asks about what we are doing, but it is what we are not doing. Certain guys say certain things about things being hard, but this game is hard. It is also about your ability to compete at a high level and understand."

    The Tigers are relying heavily upon freshman. After PG Bo Spencer was kicked off the team this summer, it left only one returning player who averaged more than 2.3 ppg in Storm Warren at 11.8. This team is in a tremendous transitional phase right now and is the perfect time to go against them.

    Now T-Martin is no world beater and won only 4 games last year but they return 4 starters and are off to a 2-0 start, albeit over MacMurray College and Centenary (famous for Robert Parish). They have been playing a physical brand of defense and have created 41 turnovers in two games and held their opponents to a 34% FG%. In their last game, they held Centenary without a field goal from the 13:55 mark until 7 seconds were left in the game.

    T-M is led by by 6-3 senior Reuben Clayton (11.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg). Clayton started 15 games and averaged 30.2 minutes and has been their leading scorer their first two games averaging 20.5 ppg and 7 rpg. "Clayton struggled with his jump shot late in the season," Head Coach James said. "Early in the season he was making shots and getting to the rim. As the season went along, I think he wore down. He's worked on better conditioning."

    In addition they are led by 6-5 senior guard/forward Benzor Simmons (13.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg). Simmons was team's second-leading rebounder and second-leading three-point shooter (38-of-114). "Our situation, we play a lot of four guards," James said. "We expect big things from Benzor. He had a great summer. He came back in great physical condition. He knows it's his senior year and he's worked very hard to accomplish his goals."

    Freshman Mike Liabo has been a nice early addition averaging 15.5 ppg on 56% shooting in the first game also.

    T-M looks like they are playing good defense and LSU is struggling to find an identity and rotation right now. Based upon their two early results, LSU is not in a place to beat this Tenn-Martin team anywhere near 16 points.

     


    ILLINOIS -3 (1.5 UNITS)

    UNDER BOWLING GREEN/MICHIGAN 128 (1.25 UNITS)


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    SEASON RECORD: 19-15, +7.15 units
     
    A nice hit on Loyola Marymount yesterday although they choked in the final minutes on the moneyline. At +7, they never trailed by more than 5 the entire game but gave me a scare when they failed to score a point for almost 7:30 minutes until they finally scored with 5 seconds left in the game....I didn't mention it the other day, but what a lucky break in the OVER in St. Johns/St. Mary's. At over 142.5, I needed 45 points in the final 3:47 of the game to cover, which seems virtually impossible. If I told you in the final 3:47. St. Mary's wouldn't hit a field goal the rest of the game, you would've bet the farm on the under. Well St. Mary's hit 22 foul shots in the the final 3:47 and 49 points were scored during that time to put it over. WOW! I feel for anyone who had the UNDER in that game.....for you old time rock and roll fans, just saw Roger Waters' "Wall" tour. What an incredible show and experience!!!!!
     
    TENNESSEE MARTIN +16 (2 UNITS) - I'm not sure LSU should be favored by 16.5 over Our Sisters of the Blind so if they cover today, this will become Tenn-Martin's new nickname. LSU is not a good basketball team right now. They struggled in an 8 point win over Northwestern State and then ended an 82 game win steak against in-state schools in an embarrassing 62-53 home loss to Nichols State.
     
    After their recent loss, Head Coach Trent Johnson stated,

    I am just going to read some stats to you because it just reinforces the things that we have been talking about to this team and the things that we have been working on to this team. Everybody understands that we are shooting 48 percent from the field and 39 percent from beyond the arc. We are shooting 70 percent from the free throw line, and we have 21 assists and 43 turnovers. Our opponents, in two games, are shooting 39 percent from the field and 28 percent from beyond the arc. They are shooting 57 percent from the free throw line. We have 16 offensive rebounds and they have 35 offensive rebounds. We have 43 turnovers and they have 22. At home, through two games, the score is 140-140.

    "That speaks volumes to everything that I believe and that this group has got to believe, which is that if you defend, rebound and take care of the ball, then you have an opportunity to be successful. We talked about it and worked on it. The thing that bothers me is that we have two guys on this team that in two games have more assists than turnovers - and they are both freshman. The majority of our turnovers and breakdowns defensively are coming from guys that have been in the program for two or three years. That is where we are at. The only positive in all of this is that it is early. Again, I want to make sure that everybody understands like I told them (Tuesday) night. This is not a panic speech. Everyone asks about what we are doing, but it is what we are not doing. Certain guys say certain things about things being hard, but this game is hard. It is also about your ability to compete at a high level and understand."

    The Tigers are relying heavily upon freshman. After PG Bo Spencer was kicked off the team this summer, it left only one returning player who averaged more than 2.3 ppg in Storm Warren at 11.8. This team is in a tremendous transitional phase right now and is the perfect time to go against them.

    Now T-Martin is no world beater and won only 4 games last year but they return 4 starters and are off to a 2-0 start, albeit over MacMurray College and Centenary (famous for Robert Parish). They have been playing a physical brand of defense and have created 41 turnovers in two games and held their opponents to a 34% FG%. In their last game, they held Centenary without a field goal from the 13:55 mark until 7 seconds were left in the game.

    T-M is led by by 6-3 senior Reuben Clayton (11.7 ppg, 3.5 rpg). Clayton started 15 games and averaged 30.2 minutes and has been their leading scorer their first two games averaging 20.5 ppg and 7 rpg. "Clayton struggled with his jump shot late in the season," Head Coach James said. "Early in the season he was making shots and getting to the rim. As the season went along, I think he wore down. He's worked on better conditioning."

    In addition they are led by 6-5 senior guard/forward Benzor Simmons (13.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg). Simmons was team's second-leading rebounder and second-leading three-point shooter (38-of-114). "Our situation, we play a lot of four guards," James said. "We expect big things from Benzor. He had a great summer. He came back in great physical condition. He knows it's his senior year and he's worked very hard to accomplish his goals."

    Freshman Mike Liabo has been a nice early addition averaging 15.5 ppg on 56% shooting in the first game also.

    T-M looks like they are playing good defense and LSU is struggling to find an identity and rotation right now. Based upon their two early results, LSU is not in a place to beat this Tenn-Martin team anywhere near 16 points.

     


    ILLINOIS -3 (1.5 UNITS)

    UNDER BOWLING GREEN/MICHIGAN 128 (1.25 UNITS)


     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 11:35 AM ET #2

    Thanks for your great writeups and of course your plays! 
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 11:58 AM ET #4

    Damn GH... I am loving Texas today.  But I have always had a soft spot for the Longhorns in basketball and when I see them getting points!  BOL!
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 12:01 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    Damn GH... I am loving Texas today.  But I have always had a soft spot for the Longhorns in basketball and when I see them getting points!  BOL!


    Young and undisciplined team facing an experienced and fundamentally solid defensive team at the Garden. I wasn't impressed watching Texas' first two games.
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    Damn GH... I am loving Texas today.  But I have always had a soft spot for the Longhorns in basketball and when I see them getting points!  BOL!


    Young and undisciplined team facing an experienced and fundamentally solid defensive team at the Garden. I wasn't impressed watching Texas' first two games.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 12:03 PM ET #6

    GL GH

     

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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 12:05 PM ET #7

    Nice call on Loyola last night

    Illinois is

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    Nice call on Loyola last night

    Illinois is

     
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    No write up for Illinois but you have it for 1.5 units, which is just below TennMartin at 2 units.  Are you pretty confident but just don't have time for a write up for the Illini? That's fine, just wanted to confirm.

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    No write up for Illinois but you have it for 1.5 units, which is just below TennMartin at 2 units.  Are you pretty confident but just don't have time for a write up for the Illini? That's fine, just wanted to confirm.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 12:53 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by composite:

    No write up for Illinois but you have it for 1.5 units, which is just below TennMartin at 2 units.  Are you pretty confident but just don't have time for a write up for the Illini? That's fine, just wanted to confirm.



    I do work for a living.

    Illinois returns all 5 starters this year and is a disciplined team that works hard in defense. This is their best team in years. Texas lost three guys to the NBA and start two freshman and two sophomores. Discipline and experience against out of control and immature. Maybe in March I'd lean towards Texas but right now, this is a no-brainer for me. Also, there's a big difference to me between 1.5 units and 2 units.
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    No write up for Illinois but you have it for 1.5 units, which is just below TennMartin at 2 units.  Are you pretty confident but just don't have time for a write up for the Illini? That's fine, just wanted to confirm.



    I do work for a living.

    Illinois returns all 5 starters this year and is a disciplined team that works hard in defense. This is their best team in years. Texas lost three guys to the NBA and start two freshman and two sophomores. Discipline and experience against out of control and immature. Maybe in March I'd lean towards Texas but right now, this is a no-brainer for me. Also, there's a big difference to me between 1.5 units and 2 units.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 12:58 PM ET #14

    Hey Gamehunter,

    re: the Bowling Green/MICHIGAN game...

    I'd consider the over in that game. I believe it was in the Ann Arbor Daily that said Beilein wants to push the pace and finish their fast breaks this game. Michigan is also a much better perimeter team this year. What are your thoughts?
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    Hey Gamehunter,

    re: the Bowling Green/MICHIGAN game...

    I'd consider the over in that game. I believe it was in the Ann Arbor Daily that said Beilein wants to push the pace and finish their fast breaks this game. Michigan is also a much better perimeter team this year. What are your thoughts?
     
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    Good luck, GH! The Illini look good. 
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    Bright and early today
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 1:19 PM ET #17

    I've got BG/Mich Under 127 1/2...and ....Ill/Texas  Over 139 1/2 ..Both BIG

    Tennesse Martin was a huge cash cow for me last year. I faded them to the tune of, I believe, 1-14 ATS (their record). Seems like they did't cover until the last game of the year................2 cents.

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    I've got BG/Mich Under 127 1/2...and ....Ill/Texas  Over 139 1/2 ..Both BIG

    Tennesse Martin was a huge cash cow for me last year. I faded them to the tune of, I believe, 1-14 ATS (their record). Seems like they did't cover until the last game of the year................2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kogepan:

    Hey Gamehunter,

    re: the Bowling Green/MICHIGAN game...

    I'd consider the over in that game. I believe it was in the Ann Arbor Daily that said Beilein wants to push the pace and finish their fast breaks this game. Michigan is also a much better perimeter team this year. What are your thoughts?


    You could be right about Belein but they were one of the slowest paces teams in the country last year and jusging from their first game, they were 3 possessions lower than last year. I don't think they are agood basketball team right now offensively.

    Bowling Green is methodical and slow too. They managed just 54 points in 65 possession in their first game against that Division 1 juggernaut, Howard.

    Michigan meanwhile clamped down on USC Upstater and held them to 35 points in their opener.

    12 of Michigan's L16 games went under this number and BG may be the most offensively inefficient team outside of USC Upstate, that Michigan has faced,


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    Quote Originally Posted by kogepan:

    Hey Gamehunter,

    re: the Bowling Green/MICHIGAN game...

    I'd consider the over in that game. I believe it was in the Ann Arbor Daily that said Beilein wants to push the pace and finish their fast breaks this game. Michigan is also a much better perimeter team this year. What are your thoughts?


    You could be right about Belein but they were one of the slowest paces teams in the country last year and jusging from their first game, they were 3 possessions lower than last year. I don't think they are agood basketball team right now offensively.

    Bowling Green is methodical and slow too. They managed just 54 points in 65 possession in their first game against that Division 1 juggernaut, Howard.

    Michigan meanwhile clamped down on USC Upstater and held them to 35 points in their opener.

    12 of Michigan's L16 games went under this number and BG may be the most offensively inefficient team outside of USC Upstate, that Michigan has faced,


     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2010 - 1:58 PM ET #19

    GH would you still take TN-Martin at +14.5??? this is what my book it giving me. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by razor333:

    GH would you still take TN-Martin at +14.5??? this is what my book it giving me. 


    I'd play it for less but yes.
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    GH would you still take TN-Martin at +14.5??? this is what my book it giving me. 


    I'd play it for less but yes.
     
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                    great call last night gamehunter 
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    Game - I am with you on Illinois man.  I am a HUGE Texas fan and know this team pretty well. When you say undisciplined I think you are focusing a lot on their youth and not actually on the players.  They actually play with some experience and a bit of moxy.  Dogus Balbay is a senior and, although he can't shoot, he runs the team well, can penetrate and plays balls out offensively.  Jordan Hamitlon has grown up a ton and will be a lottery pick next year.  He looks completely different (thanks to S&C coach Todd Wright) and he is playing within himself.  Cory Joseph and Tristan Thompson play above their frosh title.  They are disciplined and played in a practically collegiate system in Findley Prep.

    With all that said, I think Illinois is TOO experienced for Texas and this is what will win out in the end (I think they win by 8-10 points).  I am really interested to see when this Texas team does face adversity, which they will in this game, how they will react.  And this game is on the biggest pre-game stage possible so that should add to it.

    GL on your picks!  I am an Illini fan for the night. 

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    Game - I am with you on Illinois man.  I am a HUGE Texas fan and know this team pretty well. When you say undisciplined I think you are focusing a lot on their youth and not actually on the players.  They actually play with some experience and a bit of moxy.  Dogus Balbay is a senior and, although he can't shoot, he runs the team well, can penetrate and plays balls out offensively.  Jordan Hamitlon has grown up a ton and will be a lottery pick next year.  He looks completely different (thanks to S&C coach Todd Wright) and he is playing within himself.  Cory Joseph and Tristan Thompson play above their frosh title.  They are disciplined and played in a practically collegiate system in Findley Prep.

    With all that said, I think Illinois is TOO experienced for Texas and this is what will win out in the end (I think they win by 8-10 points).  I am really interested to see when this Texas team does face adversity, which they will in this game, how they will react.  And this game is on the biggest pre-game stage possible so that should add to it.

    GL on your picks!  I am an Illini fan for the night. 

     
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    *pre-season (early season) stage...
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