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Or third's wild takes?

Are you laughing at murder.

Can anyone put forth an instance where a legal U.S. citizen has been detained and/or deported? Democrats are playing the race card with brown people in the same way they have played it with black people for decades. Telling ghost stories about "storm troopers" kicking down your door, snatching you out of bed, and putting you on a bus out of the country. I have heard things like, "They're targeting all brown people!" They're coming for anyone that isn't white!" The reality is they are serving warrants on people with expired visas, and on those who entered the country illegally and then skipped out on hearings. They're targeting for removal those in this country illegally. I applaud this effort. Democrats act as if they care so much about brown people but what about those that are legal citizens who have seen their neighborhoods overrun?  Most Democrats talk it but they don't walk it. They are out of touch with what's actually going on in these communities. And the only brown person they know mows their lawn.

@wallstreetcappers

 1. Did you or did you not use the word "heckler"? It's a yes or no question. You chose to use that word.

2. I asked for instances of people barging in and interrupting "press conferences". You posted video of a town hall. And to be perfectly honest, you say there are tons on instances of this. There aren't. A handful at most. And literally zero instances of someone, who isn't even a member of the press, barging in an interrupting a press conference. The issue isn't his question, or even how he asked. It's that he barged in to a press conference, and tried "to ask a question" right in the middle of her statement. That never happens.

3. You are the only one trying to cradt narratives. You do everything from misquoting posters and all printing all out falsehoods.

4. How am I supposed to know you are saying "I seen enraged" if you can't be bothered to place a comma.

And where did I say he didn't belong there? You constantly misquote.

@wallstreetcappers

 Do you even listen to yourself? You can't be serious. You misquote me, completely changing the context of my statement, then try to spin it as if I was actually misunderstanding you.

I quote you exactly, and you get upset and have the audacity to say, "...tell me how may times I used heckler and how many times I did not." That was your word. If you didn't mean it, don't type it.

Next, where do you get off that i'm enraged. This is a low traffic chat board. There is literally nothing here that enrages me. "Tone and enthusiasm"? He burst in and crashed a presser in way that never happens. A way that's unacceptable. Period. Stop trying to create your own truth.

And your video shows an attendee at a town hall. Not someone bursting into a press conference unannounced. There's a difference.

@wallstreetcappers

 That's the problem with bending narratives to personal whim, or simply creating them out of thin air. You say things like, "There should've been signs." First off, there inna press room, not a sound stage. There's no red "Taping In Progress" light like in the movies. The most you're gonna see is a printed sign on a door, or a stanchion with a sign topper with a printed sign, saying "Press Coference in Progress". Or something to that effect. And for all we know, that was present. There is no way to tell from the video evidence we have. They aren't locking the doors. That's insane. Another thing we can't tell from the video evidence is if he even identified himself in a way that was intelligible, or if anyone heard/acknowledged this hypothetical identification. We can't see any of that in the video.

This is how a presser usually works. The press has time to assemble. They usually talk amongst themselves forca bit as everyone gets in and settled. Someone, in the case of a politician, it's usually a member of their staff, in the case of, say, a police chief, often they thrmselves, but someone will then give parameters, guidelines, etc. They'll say what's going to be covered. Sometimes they'll give a time limit for how long the orator will speak. If there are things that are not going to be talked about, it's adddressed. Lastly, they will say if there will be questions, and either how many or for how long. Then the orator comes out, and usually reads a prepared statement. You rarely see people entering a press room once the event has started. And you never see people barging in demanding the floor, "attempting to ask a question," in the middle of a statement. It just doesn't happen. You talk about what other presidents used to do, which is a complete fairytale, because no president has had to deal with such an instance. If Noem had been a sitting president, Padilla might've gotten himself shot with such antics.

WSC, you know economics. I'll always credit you with that. On other subjects, you often speak completely out of your you-know-what. And you do it with a smugly as if you are talking about finance.

First off, just because a door is open, that doesn't mean an event is free to enter. I don't know where you came upmwith this, as it isn't based in reality. Also, in the eventnof a closed stage/set, there won't necessarily be signage or prompts stating this. And frankly, this was only a "set" in that it was being filmed. It was a press conference set up inna random room, possibly even the press room, at a federal building. As a sitting Senator, it would be no problem for Padilla to pretty much access any area, in a Federal building, in his home state. This was a press conference though. Which is just what it sounds like. An event to address the press.

Let's get to the meat though. First off, you say "she could've fielded his question," shifting blame to Noem. Most pressers have time at the end for questions. The woman had barely started her statement though. You have more than once made comments about how other presidents dealt with hecklers. Your use of the word heckler was not lost on me. Let's get a few things straight. Kristi Noem is not the president. She is not a press secretary. She's not even a lifelong politician used to pivoting in such instances. She's the Director of Homeland Security and a former governor of a sparsely populated state. She's still finding her footing with such things. And none of that even matters because your statement is false. Presidents haven't had to deal with these types of combative outbursts. Can anyone remember a presidential press conference, or that of a press secretary l, for that matter, where someone has barged into the room and demanded the floor? It doesn't happen. Presidents, politicians in general, aren't "heckled". They are sometimes asked aggressive questions, at the appropriate time for questioning. They are sometimes cut off, and spoken over, by memebers of the press, at the appropriate time for questioning. They aren't dealing with Senators barging into press rooms, and demanding an audience, minutes, if that, into an event.

So please stop playing the victim card for someone who conducted themselves in a way that is unbecoming for a senator. And please stop playing the race card. If he were white, and he carried on in this way, he would've found the same result. Press conferences are for the press. Ifnhe so badly needed to crash her presser and make a splash scene, if he so badly needed to "ask a question," he should've waited for the appropriate time. Stop altering the narrative and rewriting the rules. Press conferences have never been conducted in that manner. Why would it change then?

Keep lying to yourself. Everyone knows how you operate. It's quote blatant. You are a bad mod. I imagine that the only reason you haven't been relieved of said duty is that whoever makes such decisions just doesn't give a crap. Why upset the apple cart, right? Who else is going to do it?

Again, would you like me to provide definitions for the words potential and political, or can we just agree that the words are unrelated. And that swapping one out for the other completely changes a statement? Keep saying, "but it's a political forum" as if this changes anything. You misquoted me for effect. To drive home your point. You do this often, so I assume it's intentional.

You can't be serious. If someone misquoted you in a way that completely changed the context of one of your posts, you would threaten to box them. Are you really gonna go with, "it's not that far of a stretch"?

Do you need help with the definitions of political and potential, or do you want to just take my word that they are completely unrelated. They aren't interchangeable and doing so completely alters what is being said.

As far as post 93, I said "seemed" and "came off as", which were valid takes.

@wallstreetcappers

 You continue to put words in my mouth when my words are literally there in black and white for anyone to see. Where did I call him a "crazed political attacker"?

@wallstreetcappers

 What is with you putting thoughts in posters heads, and words in their mouths? You do this incessantly. It is unbecoming of someone charged with moderation. Show me where I said the senator did not have a right to be there. I simply said that in the footage I saw, he doesn't identify himself until after being confronted by security. And I said he was appeared quite belligerent and unhinged. You say others had similar "hecklers" yet, with the exception of a shoe being thrown at Bush, in a foreign country, there isn't a history of people addressing press secretaries, chiefs of staff, or elected officials in this way. It didn't happen because it's just plain inappropriate 

Also, to your other point, can you show that anyone has been targeted, on Trumps order, who is here 100% legally and unconditionally. With the exception of the Mahmoud Khalil, I don't think you can. Even Khalil wasn't a citizen. He is a green card holder.

No, that's literally what a vaccine is suppose to do. And when talking upper respiratory viruses, we have to define infection. Any one of us may be harboring corona virons as we type back and forth. We may be harboring influenza. So does that constitute infection? The purpose of a vaccine is to prevent ailment. In the case of upper respiratory infection, if you're vaccinated, and you become symptomatic, that vaccine is ineffective. It's funny how we have moved the goal post for this vaccine. You have never seen anyone who receives yearly flu vaccines say, "Well, I got thr flu but i'm only a little sick so I guess the vaccine worked!"

Everything else you say is completely unfounded. I have dug into the numbers, as I know both Uni and Raiders have. There is no real way to show how many potential deaths the vaccine prevented. It is my believe that herd immunity, turning covid endemic, is what moved us past this crisis. When we opened the country, literally everyone I know got covid. Most people I know have had covid at least twice. The vaccine didn't prevent symptomatic illness. And you can't say it prevented death in an otherwise healthy population.

That's not to say there weren't exceptions. There of course are always outliers. The body and all it's mechanisms, for as much as we know about it, is still mysterious. We do not want to dishonor anyone who lost their lives to this virus. However we can't just make stuff up to fit a false narrative.

@wallstreetcappers

 I also watched the video. And to be fair, maybe it picks up after he is already heading towards the lectern, but I don't recall seeing him identify himself until he is being confronted by security. At that point, he is coming off as belligerent. He legit seems like a crazy person. I'm a native Californian. And though I now technically live in Oregon, I still spend half my time in the Bay Area. I remained registered to vote in California until this past election. Yet until this happened, I couldn't pick Alex Padilla out of a lineup to save my life. And i'm not alone. I doubt anyone in that room recognized him as a sitting Senator. He came off as a crazed potential attacker. And in these trying times, people in the public eye can't take chances. There is a way to do things, a way to conduct yourself, and that wasn't it.

And for once, can someone taking the liberal stance not play the race card. You fall back on this more than most. For example, when someone is for strong borders, and intolerant of illegal immigration, you accuse them of being against brown people. Thos completely disregards the brown people who are here legally, many of which are negatively affected by illegal immigrants more than any. This isn't a race issue. It's a legal issue. A resource issue. A human health and safety issue. It's not race based. And neither was Padilla's altercation. If he were white, and conducted himself in that manner, he would've found the same results. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He thought he was going to have some big "gotcha" media moment, and boy did he ever.

I don't like calling it a flu, as influenza is a complete seperate virus. It is a upper respiratory infection that acts similar to influenza in many ways.

None of this negates your very valid point.

Tox. Gone but not forgotten. Definitely missed.

Kensington origin story. Wild. What's crazy is you can take someone who has never been to Philly (i've been to Philly but not Kensington), you mention Kensington and everyone knows what time it is. It has become synonymous with open homelessness and addiction. Open air drugs sales and use. San Francisco has an area like that. Three interconnected neighborhoods that join like Voltron to form ground zero.

Oh, and by the way. Dorothy Mantooth is a saint. 

@fubah2

 With all do respect, brother, that is not fact. It's uninformed fiction. We have been fighting the drug trade by treating the addict in cities across America for decades. It doesn't work. And the drugs have only gotten more addictive. The conditions on the streets are increasingly dire.

@Calde13

 Yes, we got into the weeds a bit talking about the different factions. We can agree that both the cartels, and the European factions thst operate throughout Europe, are both extremely organized, powerful, and ruthless.

To the point of out cartels. As is has been said by both you and WSC, it is true that as long as their is a market, there will be a supply. Yet this trivializes the issue. More drugs are flooding into Miami than ever before. This isn't the 70s, with Columbians smuggling blow into Miami and Southern California for pro athletes, yuppies, and disco chicks. Worse that cocaine is the fentanyl.  The drugs have gotten so highly addictive that rehabilitation programs are useless. These people are zombies. Death is their only cure.

I don't believe in the, "It's gonna happen so don't try to stop it." approach. Imagine taking that approach with one's own child. "Little Johnny is gonna skip school and smoke weed anyway so why stop him?" "Julie sleeps around so let's just put her on the pill and hope for the best." Tightening up border security may only mitigate the flow of drugs, but it's better than not trying.

Plus, i'm just firmly against open borders. I don't care about the color of your skin, nor your nationality. I just don't want you here. Our brothers from Central and South America get the most attention because we share a land mass with them, and those countries are where most illegals come from. Believe me, if a bunch of Eastern European immigrants began popping up on our shores, I would have an equally big problem with it. Trying to paint people who support border security as racist is complete b.s