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    QBs in AFC Championship game for first time 0-10 SU

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    For those who like KC, here's a trend, from an article on the Score. Personally, I have a Bills future so am against the trend

     

    Since the NFL changed its playoff format ahead of the 2002 season, 10 signal-callers have reached the AFC Championship Game for the first time. Those quarterbacks went 0-10 straight up and 2-8 ATS, losing by an average of 13.1 points per contest.

    Rest of the article is here:

     https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2095582

     

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    For those who like KC, here's a trend, from an article on the Score. Personally, I have a Bills future so am against the trend

     

    Since the NFL changed its playoff format ahead of the 2002 season, 10 signal-callers have reached the AFC Championship Game for the first time. Those quarterbacks went 0-10 straight up and 2-8 ATS, losing by an average of 13.1 points per contest.

    Rest of the article is here:

     https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2095582

     

     
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    Quite a stat...an_light

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    Quite a stat...an_light

     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2021 - 11:04 AM ET #3

    Nice info -but this season is different than the otherspeace_5

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    Nice info -but this season is different than the otherspeace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigballer:

    For those who like KC, here's a trend, from an article on the Score. Personally, I have a Bills future so am against the trend   Since the NFL changed its playoff format ahead of the 2002 season, 10 signal-callers have reached the AFC Championship Game for the first time. Those quarterbacks went 0-10 straight up and 2-8 ATS, losing by an average of 13.1 points per contest. Rest of the article is here:  https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2095582

    Nice one. Thanks for sharing. I’ve shared plenty of trends backing the Bills even though I’m on KC. It’s nice to share the info regardless of the side we are on. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigballer:

    For those who like KC, here's a trend, from an article on the Score. Personally, I have a Bills future so am against the trend   Since the NFL changed its playoff format ahead of the 2002 season, 10 signal-callers have reached the AFC Championship Game for the first time. Those quarterbacks went 0-10 straight up and 2-8 ATS, losing by an average of 13.1 points per contest. Rest of the article is here:  https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2095582

    Nice one. Thanks for sharing. I’ve shared plenty of trends backing the Bills even though I’m on KC. It’s nice to share the info regardless of the side we are on. peace_5

     
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    Here is another good one:

    Stat to know: The Bills have dropped back to pass 73% of the time this postseason, and only one team has ever reached a conference title game passing more often -- the 2015 Patriots (83%), who lost in the AFC Championship Game that season. Buffalo won last week with just 32 rushing yards -- the fourth fewest ever in a playoff win, per the Elias Sports Bureau -- and Allen currently leads the team on the ground with 57 yards over two postseason games. The Bills averaged 64.0 rushing yards per game this season, fewer than all but one team to ever reach the Super Bowl; the 1999 Rams averaged 41.0.

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    Stat to know: The Bills have dropped back to pass 73% of the time this postseason, and only one team has ever reached a conference title game passing more often -- the 2015 Patriots (83%), who lost in the AFC Championship Game that season. Buffalo won last week with just 32 rushing yards -- the fourth fewest ever in a playoff win, per the Elias Sports Bureau -- and Allen currently leads the team on the ground with 57 yards over two postseason games. The Bills averaged 64.0 rushing yards per game this season, fewer than all but one team to ever reach the Super Bowl; the 1999 Rams averaged 41.0.

     
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    So you're saying.... They're due!

    Interesting stat but I have found over the years often these trends as soon as they become public knowledge and everyone hops on board suddenly the pendulum swings the other way.

    Anyone know the stat on how many teams with the 32nd ranked red zone defense have made it to the Super Bowl?

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    So you're saying.... They're due!

    Interesting stat but I have found over the years often these trends as soon as they become public knowledge and everyone hops on board suddenly the pendulum swings the other way.

    Anyone know the stat on how many teams with the 32nd ranked red zone defense have made it to the Super Bowl?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    So you're saying.... They're due! Interesting stat but I have found over the years often these trends as soon as they become public knowledge and everyone hops on board suddenly the pendulum swings the other way. Anyone know the stat on how many teams with the 32nd ranked red zone defense have made it to the Super Bowl?

    KC was 10th in this stat last year...huge difference 

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    Quote Originally Posted by NutinButtLove:

    So you're saying.... They're due! Interesting stat but I have found over the years often these trends as soon as they become public knowledge and everyone hops on board suddenly the pendulum swings the other way. Anyone know the stat on how many teams with the 32nd ranked red zone defense have made it to the Super Bowl?

    KC was 10th in this stat last year...huge difference 

     
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     Interesting though that 3 of the 7 worst teams last year all made the playoffs with the Niners (7th worst) making the Bowl.  Texans were dead last. 
    This year 3 of the 5 worst made the playoffs.  

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     Interesting though that 3 of the 7 worst teams last year all made the playoffs with the Niners (7th worst) making the Bowl.  Texans were dead last. 
    This year 3 of the 5 worst made the playoffs.  

     
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     The Bills don't average 64 yards rushing its 102. Still not good, and it's down to 68 over the last 3 and only 32 the last game but that was vs Baltimore.

    I don't think rushing yards are the way to cap a game between these two teams anyway, theyre the new breed in this passing league, they just hand off now and again to keep the d honest or for the odd short yardage 1st down pickup.

    The Chiefs only average 113 per game and 97 over the last 3.

    One thing that sticks out the last Chiefs game there were multiple easy first downs dropped by Browns RBs. Unfortunately Singletary isn't a great pass catcher either but there is yards to be had there.

    The Chiefs D couldn't get off the field against the Browns, every 3rd and long they got into they inexplicably let the WR get to the sticks unharrassed.

    On the other hand, looking at how Buffalo got torched by the Colts TEs and Rivers threw down their throat 4th quarter I think their D is gonna need to improve too. One of the reasons I took them vs Baltimore is I didn't think the Ravens could keep pace with their last ranked pass attack. Still have to give them credit for not allowing any TDs.

    Total is high but this could go Over easily, they certainly aren't going to keep KC out of the end zone all game. I see this as being a rootin tootin shoot out.

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     The Bills don't average 64 yards rushing its 102. Still not good, and it's down to 68 over the last 3 and only 32 the last game but that was vs Baltimore.

    I don't think rushing yards are the way to cap a game between these two teams anyway, theyre the new breed in this passing league, they just hand off now and again to keep the d honest or for the odd short yardage 1st down pickup.

    The Chiefs only average 113 per game and 97 over the last 3.

    One thing that sticks out the last Chiefs game there were multiple easy first downs dropped by Browns RBs. Unfortunately Singletary isn't a great pass catcher either but there is yards to be had there.

    The Chiefs D couldn't get off the field against the Browns, every 3rd and long they got into they inexplicably let the WR get to the sticks unharrassed.

    On the other hand, looking at how Buffalo got torched by the Colts TEs and Rivers threw down their throat 4th quarter I think their D is gonna need to improve too. One of the reasons I took them vs Baltimore is I didn't think the Ravens could keep pace with their last ranked pass attack. Still have to give them credit for not allowing any TDs.

    Total is high but this could go Over easily, they certainly aren't going to keep KC out of the end zone all game. I see this as being a rootin tootin shoot out.

     
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    Appreciate the feedback peace_5

     

    Here's my take on this stat. First of all, it's only for first time QBs in the AFC championship. All of those championship games were 1st time qbs against a couple of HOF qbs that included Brady, Manning, Big Ben and Mahomes, which means the talent/experience gap was too large to overcome for an inexperienced QB.

     

    Even in Mahomes young career, I do put him in the class of those 3 other qbs, and Josh Allen although he's been incredible this season, is up against the biggest challenge of his career. Winning a game against Mahomes on the road in a championship game is alot of pressure for a young qb, I have my doubts if Allen is ready for it yet, he could be another 1-2 years away from a superbowl. A gimpy Mahomes, who I'm sure, KC will not let run again, and will change how KC approaches this game, is what I'm hoping gives the Bills a chance here

    Likewise the stat doesnt include NFC championship games, and there have been 1st time QBs with success here. I dont have the exact stats but off the top of my head, Garropolo beat Rodgers, Goff beat Brees, Foles beat Ryan, Cam beat Palmer. It's happened pretty often, but can argue the talent gap is far less than what is has been in the AFC

     

    Nevertheless, its just a stat, but the situation is in play again with a dominant AFC qb vs an inexperienced AFC qb

     

     

     

     

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    Appreciate the feedback peace_5

     

    Here's my take on this stat. First of all, it's only for first time QBs in the AFC championship. All of those championship games were 1st time qbs against a couple of HOF qbs that included Brady, Manning, Big Ben and Mahomes, which means the talent/experience gap was too large to overcome for an inexperienced QB.

     

    Even in Mahomes young career, I do put him in the class of those 3 other qbs, and Josh Allen although he's been incredible this season, is up against the biggest challenge of his career. Winning a game against Mahomes on the road in a championship game is alot of pressure for a young qb, I have my doubts if Allen is ready for it yet, he could be another 1-2 years away from a superbowl. A gimpy Mahomes, who I'm sure, KC will not let run again, and will change how KC approaches this game, is what I'm hoping gives the Bills a chance here

    Likewise the stat doesnt include NFC championship games, and there have been 1st time QBs with success here. I dont have the exact stats but off the top of my head, Garropolo beat Rodgers, Goff beat Brees, Foles beat Ryan, Cam beat Palmer. It's happened pretty often, but can argue the talent gap is far less than what is has been in the AFC

     

    Nevertheless, its just a stat, but the situation is in play again with a dominant AFC qb vs an inexperienced AFC qb

     

     

     

     

     
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    One thing that jumped out at me: 6 of 10 faced Belichick and the Pats as first time AFC Champ Game participants.  No better individual game plan strategy coach in history of NFL, maybe even all sports. 

    Reid is good, and is a master on Offense, but not yet in Bill's rarified air of planning a strategy to take away the opponents identity the way NE did so many times.  Although he does leave most of that to Spagnuolo, who has a pretty decent track record as D Coordinator, including his own masterful strategic game plan win against Bill's 2007 undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl.  And another SB win last year.

    Thanks for sharing.

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    One thing that jumped out at me: 6 of 10 faced Belichick and the Pats as first time AFC Champ Game participants.  No better individual game plan strategy coach in history of NFL, maybe even all sports. 

    Reid is good, and is a master on Offense, but not yet in Bill's rarified air of planning a strategy to take away the opponents identity the way NE did so many times.  Although he does leave most of that to Spagnuolo, who has a pretty decent track record as D Coordinator, including his own masterful strategic game plan win against Bill's 2007 undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl.  And another SB win last year.

    Thanks for sharing.

     
     
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    That’s cool.  How many of those were playing vs. Brady&Belichek?

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