I got this information off of the VSIN website, and Steve Makinen from last year, and I have not updated the data, so the information will be one year old which won't include last year's results.
1) Teams that won >=13 games the prior season, but did not go to the Super Bowl, out of 42 teams in this situation NONE improved their record the following season, and only four equaled it, decreasing their win total by an average of 3.71 wins the next season.....Bills, Lions, Vikings
2) Super Bowl losers from the year prior have won an average of 3.3 less games the following season.....Chiefs
3) Teams that had 8 or more close wins (a win by <=8 points) their previous season won an average of 3.3 less wins the following season, four of these teams improved the next season in this situation and 29 teams did not.....Vikings, Chiefs, Eagles, Commanders, Rams
4) Thirty-seven out of forty-three teams that lost at least 8 games by less than 9 points in their season improved the next season, by an average of 3.84 wins......Jaguars, Giants
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I got this information off of the VSIN website, and Steve Makinen from last year, and I have not updated the data, so the information will be one year old which won't include last year's results.
1) Teams that won >=13 games the prior season, but did not go to the Super Bowl, out of 42 teams in this situation NONE improved their record the following season, and only four equaled it, decreasing their win total by an average of 3.71 wins the next season.....Bills, Lions, Vikings
2) Super Bowl losers from the year prior have won an average of 3.3 less games the following season.....Chiefs
3) Teams that had 8 or more close wins (a win by <=8 points) their previous season won an average of 3.3 less wins the following season, four of these teams improved the next season in this situation and 29 teams did not.....Vikings, Chiefs, Eagles, Commanders, Rams
4) Thirty-seven out of forty-three teams that lost at least 8 games by less than 9 points in their season improved the next season, by an average of 3.84 wins......Jaguars, Giants
Chiefs are fade city this year, three very good coaches in division to oppose them....those division teams will beat each other to a pulp, would not be surprised if there are a lot of injuries to people like Mahomes next season.
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Chiefs are fade city this year, three very good coaches in division to oppose them....those division teams will beat each other to a pulp, would not be surprised if there are a lot of injuries to people like Mahomes next season.
These are better prices than to to the Chiefs under wins. The risk is how much do the Chiefs regress. I omitted the Raiders @20-1 no need for this one.
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To win the Division:
Chargers @ +275
Broncos @ +375
These are better prices than to to the Chiefs under wins. The risk is how much do the Chiefs regress. I omitted the Raiders @20-1 no need for this one.
MIN is already degraded significantly by the books from a 14-win season ; I'm not sure the value on this one, particularly w/ A. Rogers hanging out there to "maybe" displace JJ for one season ? Even w/ JJ at the helm at QB, this one looks priced about right.
Out of all these you mentioned, I probably like the Under on the Rams the most. A deeper look also shows a -19 point differential last year, despite a 10-7 record.. Consistent with a team that "over-exceeded" expectations based on their +/- point differential. There has been a lot of flux w/ the NFC West this offseason, particularly with SF & SEA, so that my explain why the 'books are hanging w/ 10 wins for LAR. But they lost an important piece as well with Cooper Cupp. This still looks like the best play.
GL on those plays Indigo !
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This is great info.. Thanks again for posting.
MIN is already degraded significantly by the books from a 14-win season ; I'm not sure the value on this one, particularly w/ A. Rogers hanging out there to "maybe" displace JJ for one season ? Even w/ JJ at the helm at QB, this one looks priced about right.
Out of all these you mentioned, I probably like the Under on the Rams the most. A deeper look also shows a -19 point differential last year, despite a 10-7 record.. Consistent with a team that "over-exceeded" expectations based on their +/- point differential. There has been a lot of flux w/ the NFC West this offseason, particularly with SF & SEA, so that my explain why the 'books are hanging w/ 10 wins for LAR. But they lost an important piece as well with Cooper Cupp. This still looks like the best play.
[Quote: Originally Posted by spottie2935]To win the Division: Chargers @ +275 Broncos @ +375 These are better prices than to to the Chiefs under wins. The risk is how much do the Chiefs regress. I omitted the Raiders @20-1 no need for this one.[/Quote]
IMHO, I don't think you're being compensated enough on either one of those.. Then you have the "sophomore jinx" w/ Bo Nix in DEN. You often see it with 2nd year QBs because DC's get a better handle on first year QB's tendencies. CJ Stroud is the most recent example. Not a dramatic drop-off with him... but a drop-off nonetheless. Expect the same from Bo Nix.
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[Quote: Originally Posted by spottie2935]To win the Division: Chargers @ +275 Broncos @ +375 These are better prices than to to the Chiefs under wins. The risk is how much do the Chiefs regress. I omitted the Raiders @20-1 no need for this one.[/Quote]
IMHO, I don't think you're being compensated enough on either one of those.. Then you have the "sophomore jinx" w/ Bo Nix in DEN. You often see it with 2nd year QBs because DC's get a better handle on first year QB's tendencies. CJ Stroud is the most recent example. Not a dramatic drop-off with him... but a drop-off nonetheless. Expect the same from Bo Nix.
@Indigo999 This is great info.. Thanks again for posting. MIN is already degraded significantly by the books from a 14-win season ; I'm not sure the value on this one, particularly w/ A. Rogers hanging out there to "maybe" displace JJ for one season ? Even w/ JJ at the helm at QB, this one looks priced about right. Out of all these you mentioned, I probably like the Under on the Rams the most. A deeper look also shows a -19 point differential last year, despite a 10-7 record.. Consistent with a team that "over-exceeded" expectations based on their +/- point differential. There has been a lot of flux w/ the NFC West this offseason, particularly with SF & SEA, so that my explain why the 'books are hanging w/ 10 wins for LAR. But they lost an important piece as well with Cooper Cupp. This still looks like the best play. GL on those plays Indigo !
I have not pulled the trigger on these plays yet....I agree with your assessment of Minnesota...that division will also be tough now that someone who knows what they are doing is in Chicago. (We'll find out this year if Caleb Williams can really play.) The coaching staff at Minnesota is upper echelon....I wouldn't like them very much as favorites, but as dogs they still can be considered, certainly they could go 2-4 in their divisional games. The Vikings get the AFC North and NFC East as their out of division games, including Cinci and Baltimore at home, and their extra game is on the road against the Chargers.
The Chiefs after winning the Super Bowl have had very difficult years against the spread, so perhaps betting against them against the spread, especially at home is the best option, they still won games, but failed to cover. I expect Mahomes to have a down year again in comparison to his body of work up until last year, which was not what we had come to expect from him.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:
@Indigo999 This is great info.. Thanks again for posting. MIN is already degraded significantly by the books from a 14-win season ; I'm not sure the value on this one, particularly w/ A. Rogers hanging out there to "maybe" displace JJ for one season ? Even w/ JJ at the helm at QB, this one looks priced about right. Out of all these you mentioned, I probably like the Under on the Rams the most. A deeper look also shows a -19 point differential last year, despite a 10-7 record.. Consistent with a team that "over-exceeded" expectations based on their +/- point differential. There has been a lot of flux w/ the NFC West this offseason, particularly with SF & SEA, so that my explain why the 'books are hanging w/ 10 wins for LAR. But they lost an important piece as well with Cooper Cupp. This still looks like the best play. GL on those plays Indigo !
I have not pulled the trigger on these plays yet....I agree with your assessment of Minnesota...that division will also be tough now that someone who knows what they are doing is in Chicago. (We'll find out this year if Caleb Williams can really play.) The coaching staff at Minnesota is upper echelon....I wouldn't like them very much as favorites, but as dogs they still can be considered, certainly they could go 2-4 in their divisional games. The Vikings get the AFC North and NFC East as their out of division games, including Cinci and Baltimore at home, and their extra game is on the road against the Chargers.
The Chiefs after winning the Super Bowl have had very difficult years against the spread, so perhaps betting against them against the spread, especially at home is the best option, they still won games, but failed to cover. I expect Mahomes to have a down year again in comparison to his body of work up until last year, which was not what we had come to expect from him.
To win the Division: Chargers @ +275 Broncos @ +375 These are better prices than to to the Chiefs under wins. The risk is how much do the Chiefs regress. I omitted the Raiders @20-1 no need for this one.
In favor of the LAC at +275:
2024 regular season net points
KC +59
LAC +101
However, per Jeff Sagarin the LAC were only 1-4 SU vs. his Top Ten while playing the #29th ranked Strength of Schedule.
I am a Los Angeles resident, so I certainly hope that the Chargers finish ahead of the Chiefs. Good luck with your season futures, spottie.
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Quote Originally Posted by spottie2935:
To win the Division: Chargers @ +275 Broncos @ +375 These are better prices than to to the Chiefs under wins. The risk is how much do the Chiefs regress. I omitted the Raiders @20-1 no need for this one.
In favor of the LAC at +275:
2024 regular season net points
KC +59
LAC +101
However, per Jeff Sagarin the LAC were only 1-4 SU vs. his Top Ten while playing the #29th ranked Strength of Schedule.
I am a Los Angeles resident, so I certainly hope that the Chargers finish ahead of the Chiefs. Good luck with your season futures, spottie.
5) Teams that went winless in divisional games the previous season have won 42% of their divisional games straight up the following year going 120-90-3 against the spread since 2002 when every team played six divisional games.......Raiders, Giants in divisional games.
For whatever reason, those teams have performed poorly in January games going 6-13 ATS....all other months have been profitable.
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5) Teams that went winless in divisional games the previous season have won 42% of their divisional games straight up the following year going 120-90-3 against the spread since 2002 when every team played six divisional games.......Raiders, Giants in divisional games.
For whatever reason, those teams have performed poorly in January games going 6-13 ATS....all other months have been profitable.
I bet against the Chargers in the playoffs for the same reason as you stated. I am agreeing with under Chiefs season wins. The idea is to propose ideas. The point I am making is IF the Chiefs fall it will not be short fall from Elite 13+ to 11 wins and still take care of the Division. I predict a greater fall out. Thus the odds on the other squads odds come into play. Which team is the better option? I am not sure yet. I think the other teams are better based upon + odds.
In my opinion the better odds, comes with more risk and maybe the odds don't provide enough payout to risk it for some bettors , but I am a sucker for + money. I am not a big fan of futures and waiting months to cash in either. Unless of course I can get big odds if something hits my brain . No light on this for on even money futures. Thats why I try to circumvent under season wins, or even money bets that have month of waiting.
under Chiefs and a few of these are fairly safe winning bets I am just looking for other +money opportunities if I have to wait until January to grade these wagers.
Nothing is ever in the bank until it is in the bank
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@DogbiteWilliams
I bet against the Chargers in the playoffs for the same reason as you stated. I am agreeing with under Chiefs season wins. The idea is to propose ideas. The point I am making is IF the Chiefs fall it will not be short fall from Elite 13+ to 11 wins and still take care of the Division. I predict a greater fall out. Thus the odds on the other squads odds come into play. Which team is the better option? I am not sure yet. I think the other teams are better based upon + odds.
In my opinion the better odds, comes with more risk and maybe the odds don't provide enough payout to risk it for some bettors , but I am a sucker for + money. I am not a big fan of futures and waiting months to cash in either. Unless of course I can get big odds if something hits my brain . No light on this for on even money futures. Thats why I try to circumvent under season wins, or even money bets that have month of waiting.
under Chiefs and a few of these are fairly safe winning bets I am just looking for other +money opportunities if I have to wait until January to grade these wagers.
I would like to see the books set different lines with greater odds such as Chiefs under 9 wins.
At the current line and the time I have to wait. Doesn’t interest me. I can use the money in better ways. I can also fade the Chiefs in season and do better than -110 on a season wins bet.
I believe strongly the under Chiefs bet wins though.
Nothing is ever in the bank until it is in the bank
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I would like to see the books set different lines with greater odds such as Chiefs under 9 wins.
At the current line and the time I have to wait. Doesn’t interest me. I can use the money in better ways. I can also fade the Chiefs in season and do better than -110 on a season wins bet.
I believe strongly the under Chiefs bet wins though.
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