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How does Dallas Not Crush NY Giants Week 1?

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Posted: Sep. 3, 2015 - 9:39 AM ET #1

Even with Dallas -5.5 at home, I am scratching my had trying to figure out how the Giants have even a remote chance of covering and absolutely no chance of winning.  The Giants terrible defense (#29 last year) has been decimated by injuries. The JPP saga did little to help too.  Add to that the Victor Cruz and Ruben Randle injuries at WR and now you have an offense on its heels too. Tony Romo is very good and that Offensive line is possibly the best in the NFL. I know that the Boys have not met expectations at home so far, but that should change week 1. So ... please, can anybody who is completely sober and not a crazed Giants fan, tell me how the Cowboys don't win this game by 10 or more points. I am all ears! This might be the best pick this week even at -5.5!!! Thoughts and comments are appreciated!!!
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Even with Dallas -5.5 at home, I am scratching my had trying to figure out how the Giants have even a remote chance of covering and absolutely no chance of winning.  The Giants terrible defense (#29 last year) has been decimated by injuries. The JPP saga did little to help too.  Add to that the Victor Cruz and Ruben Randle injuries at WR and now you have an offense on its heels too. Tony Romo is very good and that Offensive line is possibly the best in the NFL. I know that the Boys have not met expectations at home so far, but that should change week 1. So ... please, can anybody who is completely sober and not a crazed Giants fan, tell me how the Cowboys don't win this game by 10 or more points. I am all ears! This might be the best pick this week even at -5.5!!! Thoughts and comments are appreciated!!!
 
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Posted: Sep. 3, 2015 - 10:07 AM ET #2

Couldn't agree more. Most Giants bettors only see Odell Beckham on the one side and a bad home record and the loss of Murray on the other side. I haven't read any logical reasoning yet to take the Giants.
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Couldn't agree more. Most Giants bettors only see Odell Beckham on the one side and a bad home record and the loss of Murray on the other side. I haven't read any logical reasoning yet to take the Giants.
 
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Posted: Sep. 3, 2015 - 12:30 PM ET #3

This is going to be a big week one play for me. The second the lines get released, I want the lowest number, I bet it rises to 7.

I was originally all about the Over, but I am worried that with Claiborne and Carr playing very confident football (psychology is huge for DBs) along with Patmon getting his chance in the slot (two pick sixes in his rookie year with very limited playing time), Sean Lee returning from injury and looking 100%, Randy Gregory looking for real not only in the Pass Rush, but doing a good job of not pushing too far upfield and getting washed out in the run game, the fact that he will be facing perpetual turnstile Erick Flowers at LT, the fact that DeMarcus Lawrence (two sacks in two playoff games against two good teams to finish last year after missing most of the year with a broken foot) will be not only back, but stronger than last year (15 lbs. heavier), the fact that Davon Coleman is standing out as an upgraded 1 tech, even Byron Jones is grading out average as a rookie Safety/Dime Corner/Nickel LB, which is a very hard position to play in the NFL.

On Offense, we know what we are going to get, but here's a couple of things to mull over...

Terrence Williams got more looks in OTAs with Dez Bryant sitting out for his contract. In the first game, Tony Romo hit him for a 60 yarder, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Teams are going to try to take Dez Bryant away (they won't), but when they succeed Terrence Williams is going to make them pay. Third down they have a nearly uncoverable Cole Beasley. 

The Giants, on the other hand, have a shaky O Line, subpar pass rush now that JPP is out, dinged up receiving corps, an interception prone QB (not totally his fault, but this goes hand in hand with that O Line), a WR set up for a letdown with his hubris seemingly getting the best of him in Preseason (going for 1 handed catch against the Jets when he had both hands free), a thin DB corps, S questions with Landon Collins struggling...

Really good Dallas D Line against Really bad Giants O Line, getting at a mistake prone QB throwing to a hobbled receiving corps led by an overconfident headline grabber ready for his sophomore slump into a secondary that features a first round draft pick who broke a world record, another ex-first round draft pick who looks like he's living up to his pedigree, with a potential All-Pro LB returning and looking full speed.... 

Literally the only weakness I see these Cowboys having are at FS if Wilcox stays in there (still questionable, they could decide to plug Jones in there, in which case they will still be weak at the position because how much can you actually trust a rookie?), and Mike LB if Anthony Hitchens can't make it this game (many are false in their evaluation of Hitchens as "average", he plugs his gap very well in the run game, and that is a very important job of the Mike. In coverage, he is at his best when he is not asked to turn, the Mike mostly stays in zone which is his strength. 

So, there you go. My original prediction had the Giants putting up 24, now I think this game goes 31-10 Cowboys. maybe 38-17. But the Cowboys are going to stomp the Giants, who I believe are in line to finish last in the NFC East behind the surprising Redskins (7-9), and the East is a two horse race between the Cowboys and the Eagles, loser gets a Wildcard. 

I see the Giants as 4-12 and in line for a very high draft pick. They simply missed too much in the 2011-2013 drafts and need more talent.
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This is going to be a big week one play for me. The second the lines get released, I want the lowest number, I bet it rises to 7.

I was originally all about the Over, but I am worried that with Claiborne and Carr playing very confident football (psychology is huge for DBs) along with Patmon getting his chance in the slot (two pick sixes in his rookie year with very limited playing time), Sean Lee returning from injury and looking 100%, Randy Gregory looking for real not only in the Pass Rush, but doing a good job of not pushing too far upfield and getting washed out in the run game, the fact that he will be facing perpetual turnstile Erick Flowers at LT, the fact that DeMarcus Lawrence (two sacks in two playoff games against two good teams to finish last year after missing most of the year with a broken foot) will be not only back, but stronger than last year (15 lbs. heavier), the fact that Davon Coleman is standing out as an upgraded 1 tech, even Byron Jones is grading out average as a rookie Safety/Dime Corner/Nickel LB, which is a very hard position to play in the NFL.

On Offense, we know what we are going to get, but here's a couple of things to mull over...

Terrence Williams got more looks in OTAs with Dez Bryant sitting out for his contract. In the first game, Tony Romo hit him for a 60 yarder, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Teams are going to try to take Dez Bryant away (they won't), but when they succeed Terrence Williams is going to make them pay. Third down they have a nearly uncoverable Cole Beasley. 

The Giants, on the other hand, have a shaky O Line, subpar pass rush now that JPP is out, dinged up receiving corps, an interception prone QB (not totally his fault, but this goes hand in hand with that O Line), a WR set up for a letdown with his hubris seemingly getting the best of him in Preseason (going for 1 handed catch against the Jets when he had both hands free), a thin DB corps, S questions with Landon Collins struggling...

Really good Dallas D Line against Really bad Giants O Line, getting at a mistake prone QB throwing to a hobbled receiving corps led by an overconfident headline grabber ready for his sophomore slump into a secondary that features a first round draft pick who broke a world record, another ex-first round draft pick who looks like he's living up to his pedigree, with a potential All-Pro LB returning and looking full speed.... 

Literally the only weakness I see these Cowboys having are at FS if Wilcox stays in there (still questionable, they could decide to plug Jones in there, in which case they will still be weak at the position because how much can you actually trust a rookie?), and Mike LB if Anthony Hitchens can't make it this game (many are false in their evaluation of Hitchens as "average", he plugs his gap very well in the run game, and that is a very important job of the Mike. In coverage, he is at his best when he is not asked to turn, the Mike mostly stays in zone which is his strength. 

So, there you go. My original prediction had the Giants putting up 24, now I think this game goes 31-10 Cowboys. maybe 38-17. But the Cowboys are going to stomp the Giants, who I believe are in line to finish last in the NFC East behind the surprising Redskins (7-9), and the East is a two horse race between the Cowboys and the Eagles, loser gets a Wildcard. 

I see the Giants as 4-12 and in line for a very high draft pick. They simply missed too much in the 2011-2013 drafts and need more talent.
 
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Posted: Sep. 3, 2015 - 3:00 PM ET #4

Eccellent read, Porcelainfist 
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Gimme +6 in division game week 1 anyday
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Relax. Good write-up. Good luck this season and nice pre-season run. *handshake*
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Posted: Sep. 4, 2015 - 4:07 AM ET #10

The Cowboys are the easiest team to bet on/against in the league. Bet on them when the are Dogs, bet against them when they are favs. Same rule applies to the Steelers. Simple winning formula.
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Posted: Sep. 4, 2015 - 5:05 AM ET #11

6-6 ATS as favorites last season. One heck of a system!
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LMAO Suuma! Yeah, some of these systems really rock :-) ... look, I've examined 25+ years of NFL games from multiple angles to try to come up with repeatable patterns and I've found 2 in particular, that produce consistent results just knowing a couple simple factors, but these awesome results are still within a reasonable .58 to .60 ATS ... so while I've only been doing this seriously for a few years, my perspective is that any "system" is flawed and that good cappers will always combine their little system with knowledge and intuition to gain an edge. It's extremely complex. Bet on the Steelers and Cowboys when they are dogs and against them when favorites will probably produce a .505 success rate ATS over 40 years. Great system! LOL ... stay humble and look at thousands of cases, and you have a small chance to get it right ... the tendency toward 50% ATS is a force stronger than gravity on this planet!
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LMAO Suuma! Yeah, some of these systems really rock :-) ... look, I've examined 25+ years of NFL games from multiple angles to try to come up with repeatable patterns and I've found 2 in particular, that produce consistent results just knowing a couple simple factors, but these awesome results are still within a reasonable .58 to .60 ATS ... so while I've only been doing this seriously for a few years, my perspective is that any "system" is flawed and that good cappers will always combine their little system with knowledge and intuition to gain an edge. It's extremely complex. Bet on the Steelers and Cowboys when they are dogs and against them when favorites will probably produce a .505 success rate ATS over 40 years. Great system! LOL ... stay humble and look at thousands of cases, and you have a small chance to get it right ... the tendency toward 50% ATS is a force stronger than gravity on this planet!
 
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There's a number of very successful regression methods picking Giants opening weekend.

In fact FO called Dallas one of 5 teams to decline in 2015 using these regression methods.

Expected wins is one, Giants are the largest mismatch of any game week 1 in expected wins based on point margin from last season. 

Giants +1.5...Dallas -1.4 is a 2.9 mismatch.

Teams 2.9 -3.9 are 16-2 ATS past 10 years in week 1.


I've never finished with a losing ATS record week 1 since using these regression methods.
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There's a number of very successful regression methods picking Giants opening weekend.

In fact FO called Dallas one of 5 teams to decline in 2015 using these regression methods.

Expected wins is one, Giants are the largest mismatch of any game week 1 in expected wins based on point margin from last season. 

Giants +1.5...Dallas -1.4 is a 2.9 mismatch.

Teams 2.9 -3.9 are 16-2 ATS past 10 years in week 1.


I've never finished with a losing ATS record week 1 since using these regression methods.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

There's a number of very successful regression methods picking Giants opening weekend.

In fact FO called Dallas one of 5 teams to decline in 2015 using these regression methods.

Expected wins is one, Giants are the largest mismatch of any game week 1 in expected wins based on point margin from last season. 

Giants +1.5...Dallas -1.4 is a 2.9 mismatch.

Teams 2.9 -3.9 are 16-2 ATS past 10 years in week 1.


I've never finished with a losing ATS record week 1 since using these regression methods.


Can you also give us any logical reasons to take the Giants? I would also like to see which matchups in recent years you are referring to with te 16-2 ATS record, especially the two losing games.
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There's a number of very successful regression methods picking Giants opening weekend.

In fact FO called Dallas one of 5 teams to decline in 2015 using these regression methods.

Expected wins is one, Giants are the largest mismatch of any game week 1 in expected wins based on point margin from last season. 

Giants +1.5...Dallas -1.4 is a 2.9 mismatch.

Teams 2.9 -3.9 are 16-2 ATS past 10 years in week 1.


I've never finished with a losing ATS record week 1 since using these regression methods.


Can you also give us any logical reasons to take the Giants? I would also like to see which matchups in recent years you are referring to with te 16-2 ATS record, especially the two losing games.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by footballsmart:

LMAO Suuma! Yeah, some of these systems really rock :-) ... look, I've examined 25+ years of NFL games from multiple angles to try to come up with repeatable patterns and I've found 2 in particular, that produce consistent results just knowing a couple simple factors, but these awesome results are still within a reasonable .58 to .60 ATS ... so while I've only been doing this seriously for a few years, my perspective is that any "system" is flawed and that good cappers will always combine their little system with knowledge and intuition to gain an edge. It's extremely complex. Bet on the Steelers and Cowboys when they are dogs and against them when favorites will probably produce a .505 success rate ATS over 40 years. Great system! LOL ... stay humble and look at thousands of cases, and you have a small chance to get it right ... the tendency toward 50% ATS is a force stronger than gravity on this planet!



Yeah I also have been using a few systems in the past, but mostly situational/psychological approaches. I work a lot with situational and psychological analysis. I never bet solely on any trend but sometimes I use it as an approach for evaluating a matchup. Here is an example from my week 15 thread last season:


The Chiefs hosted the Raiders, which was one of my big plays last season:

"Road underdogs of more than a TD after a win off a shutout loss (21+) are 0-8 SU and 1-7 ATS, losing by an average of 20.14 ppg since 1989.

I think the Chiefs are going to steamroll the Raiders at Arrowhead. Last time they caught the Chiefs in a terrible spot. Short week after playing the Seahawks and Denver on deck. Chiefs need this win badly after three straight losses and they will be focused because they know they can lose against Oakland. Raiders also coming off a dominant win against the Niners - letdown spot here. I can smell a 21+ win."


Line was Chiefs -10. The Chiefs won 31-13 and my projection of 21+ was only destroyed because the Raiders scored a late garbage TD with 37 seconds to go. The Chiefs were leading 31-6 and missed a FG.
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LMAO Suuma! Yeah, some of these systems really rock :-) ... look, I've examined 25+ years of NFL games from multiple angles to try to come up with repeatable patterns and I've found 2 in particular, that produce consistent results just knowing a couple simple factors, but these awesome results are still within a reasonable .58 to .60 ATS ... so while I've only been doing this seriously for a few years, my perspective is that any "system" is flawed and that good cappers will always combine their little system with knowledge and intuition to gain an edge. It's extremely complex. Bet on the Steelers and Cowboys when they are dogs and against them when favorites will probably produce a .505 success rate ATS over 40 years. Great system! LOL ... stay humble and look at thousands of cases, and you have a small chance to get it right ... the tendency toward 50% ATS is a force stronger than gravity on this planet!



Yeah I also have been using a few systems in the past, but mostly situational/psychological approaches. I work a lot with situational and psychological analysis. I never bet solely on any trend but sometimes I use it as an approach for evaluating a matchup. Here is an example from my week 15 thread last season:


The Chiefs hosted the Raiders, which was one of my big plays last season:

"Road underdogs of more than a TD after a win off a shutout loss (21+) are 0-8 SU and 1-7 ATS, losing by an average of 20.14 ppg since 1989.

I think the Chiefs are going to steamroll the Raiders at Arrowhead. Last time they caught the Chiefs in a terrible spot. Short week after playing the Seahawks and Denver on deck. Chiefs need this win badly after three straight losses and they will be focused because they know they can lose against Oakland. Raiders also coming off a dominant win against the Niners - letdown spot here. I can smell a 21+ win."


Line was Chiefs -10. The Chiefs won 31-13 and my projection of 21+ was only destroyed because the Raiders scored a late garbage TD with 37 seconds to go. The Chiefs were leading 31-6 and missed a FG.
 
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I missed the explanation of the trend: Teams who got shut out, prepare themselves very well for the next game and are very focused during the week and in the game, because they want to make a statement after a terrible loss. If they win their next game - and that's what the Raiders did by beating the Niners 24-13 - they have some kind of mental satisfaction. That's human nature. Also the Raiders were a bad team (indicator of being a 7+ underdog) and bad teams often don't have the same mentality like a team that palys consistenly in the playoffs. If you bounce back after such a terrible loss, you are satisfied and the next week you are not preparing exactly the same way you did last week. The Raiders went into Arrowhead and got totally destroyed.
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I missed the explanation of the trend: Teams who got shut out, prepare themselves very well for the next game and are very focused during the week and in the game, because they want to make a statement after a terrible loss. If they win their next game - and that's what the Raiders did by beating the Niners 24-13 - they have some kind of mental satisfaction. That's human nature. Also the Raiders were a bad team (indicator of being a 7+ underdog) and bad teams often don't have the same mentality like a team that palys consistenly in the playoffs. If you bounce back after such a terrible loss, you are satisfied and the next week you are not preparing exactly the same way you did last week. The Raiders went into Arrowhead and got totally destroyed.
 
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I would agree about the value of situational/psych analysis and the Raiders smug immature satisfaction after beating SF last year shows this trend well. Football is so emotional and champions somehow find a way to avoid more of those letdowns. That's why smart coaches are often so tough on teams,after a,big win. It's human nature to be just a little too overly confident after success, and extra hungry after defeat. 

In any event, to address the regression system outlined by the claw, I think it does have merit. 16-2 is hardly random, but at the same time that 16-2 could easily be 12-6 with a few lucky snaps here or there, and to be honest, I would never bet the farm on conclusions drawn from a sample size of 18! Show me that same percentage of success over 75 years of NFL history and I will start to take more notice. Show a statistical truth like that  over 2000 games, and now you have something as solid as,steel, and you will be a very rich man too :-) ... but 18 games?  Intriguing and possible, but far from enough data ... very far!
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I would agree about the value of situational/psych analysis and the Raiders smug immature satisfaction after beating SF last year shows this trend well. Football is so emotional and champions somehow find a way to avoid more of those letdowns. That's why smart coaches are often so tough on teams,after a,big win. It's human nature to be just a little too overly confident after success, and extra hungry after defeat. 

In any event, to address the regression system outlined by the claw, I think it does have merit. 16-2 is hardly random, but at the same time that 16-2 could easily be 12-6 with a few lucky snaps here or there, and to be honest, I would never bet the farm on conclusions drawn from a sample size of 18! Show me that same percentage of success over 75 years of NFL history and I will start to take more notice. Show a statistical truth like that  over 2000 games, and now you have something as solid as,steel, and you will be a very rich man too :-) ... but 18 games?  Intriguing and possible, but far from enough data ... very far!
 
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Posted: Sep. 4, 2015 - 9:58 AM ET #18

Quote Originally Posted by footballsmart:

I would agree about the value of situational/psych analysis and the Raiders smug immature satisfaction after beating SF last year shows this trend well. Football is so emotional and champions somehow find a way to avoid more of those letdowns. That's why smart coaches are often so tough on teams,after a,big win. It's human nature to be just a little too overly confident after success, and extra hungry after defeat. 

In any event, to address the regression system outlined by the claw, I think it does have merit. 16-2 is hardly random, but at the same time that 16-2 could easily be 12-6 with a few lucky snaps here or there, and to be honest, I would never bet the farm on conclusions drawn from a sample size of 18! Show me that same percentage of success over 75 years of NFL history and I will start to take more notice. Show a statistical truth like that  over 2000 games, and now you have something as solid as,steel, and you will be a very rich man too :-) ... but 18 games?  Intriguing and possible, but far from enough data ... very far!


The absurd thing about this regression approach for the Giants game is: If the Cowboys would have lost in OT against the Texans last year, which would have made them a 11-5 team rather than 12-4, he wouldn't bet the Giants, because the pythagorean differential would be too low.

Or if the Giants would have held the lead against the 2-14 Jaguars rather than blowing a 21-0 lead (indication for being a bad team?), he wouldn't bet the Giants.


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I would agree about the value of situational/psych analysis and the Raiders smug immature satisfaction after beating SF last year shows this trend well. Football is so emotional and champions somehow find a way to avoid more of those letdowns. That's why smart coaches are often so tough on teams,after a,big win. It's human nature to be just a little too overly confident after success, and extra hungry after defeat. 

In any event, to address the regression system outlined by the claw, I think it does have merit. 16-2 is hardly random, but at the same time that 16-2 could easily be 12-6 with a few lucky snaps here or there, and to be honest, I would never bet the farm on conclusions drawn from a sample size of 18! Show me that same percentage of success over 75 years of NFL history and I will start to take more notice. Show a statistical truth like that  over 2000 games, and now you have something as solid as,steel, and you will be a very rich man too :-) ... but 18 games?  Intriguing and possible, but far from enough data ... very far!


The absurd thing about this regression approach for the Giants game is: If the Cowboys would have lost in OT against the Texans last year, which would have made them a 11-5 team rather than 12-4, he wouldn't bet the Giants, because the pythagorean differential would be too low.

Or if the Giants would have held the lead against the 2-14 Jaguars rather than blowing a 21-0 lead (indication for being a bad team?), he wouldn't bet the Giants.


 
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I agree Suuma. In my view, there are multiple angles to consider and the pythagorean/regression is just one factor. And there are probably 100 other valid systems. But in my mind, with a solid grasp of the bell curve and probability, no system can replace the acquisition of data with a,high enough "n" that reveals a consistent pattern of success. And to do that properly takes about 5 years working 20 hours,a,week on it :-) ... and even then, you cannot ignore the knowledge and intuition aspects that supplement the trends. 

I'd love to hear others with trends that come with a,much higher number of games than 18. I want hundreds and better thousands of games of evidence. What's out there? I am always,willing to learn more!!
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I agree Suuma. In my view, there are multiple angles to consider and the pythagorean/regression is just one factor. And there are probably 100 other valid systems. But in my mind, with a solid grasp of the bell curve and probability, no system can replace the acquisition of data with a,high enough "n" that reveals a consistent pattern of success. And to do that properly takes about 5 years working 20 hours,a,week on it :-) ... and even then, you cannot ignore the knowledge and intuition aspects that supplement the trends. 

I'd love to hear others with trends that come with a,much higher number of games than 18. I want hundreds and better thousands of games of evidence. What's out there? I am always,willing to learn more!!
 
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On paper, looks like Dallas rout, but I think I'm gonna just avoid this one completely.

Does Dallas have the same defensive coordinator? I don't like that last year the guy refused to blitz. I don't have numbers or stats in front of me, but i would be surprised if there was a team last year that blitzed less than the Cowboys. They never ever ever brought pressure. And what better way to let a seemingly struggling offense get into a groove than sitting back, giving manning time, and letting him make plays un-pressured? Week 1. Division game. Laying a TD.

IDK, I think I'm gonna lay off this one. It "looks" like a 38-24 kind of game or with this new XP thing a 40-25 kind of game.....but my instincts say stay away.
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On paper, looks like Dallas rout, but I think I'm gonna just avoid this one completely.

Does Dallas have the same defensive coordinator? I don't like that last year the guy refused to blitz. I don't have numbers or stats in front of me, but i would be surprised if there was a team last year that blitzed less than the Cowboys. They never ever ever brought pressure. And what better way to let a seemingly struggling offense get into a groove than sitting back, giving manning time, and letting him make plays un-pressured? Week 1. Division game. Laying a TD.

IDK, I think I'm gonna lay off this one. It "looks" like a 38-24 kind of game or with this new XP thing a 40-25 kind of game.....but my instincts say stay away.
 
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Posted: Sep. 4, 2015 - 1:03 PM ET #21

There is plenty of talent on almost every team in the NFL, and just because a team is "logically" supposed to win doesn't mean much.  Which team is focused with the right gameplan will win the game more times than not, over pure talent.
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Posted: Sep. 4, 2015 - 2:43 PM ET #22

Don't know if I agree Thorpe. Some teams are just better. Over time, the better teams win. In one instance it's true any given sunday, as the saying goes, but to ignore talent is absurd.
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Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:

On paper, looks like Dallas rout, but I think I'm gonna just avoid this one completely.

Does Dallas have the same defensive coordinator? I don't like that last year the guy refused to blitz. I don't have numbers or stats in front of me, but i would be surprised if there was a team last year that blitzed less than the Cowboys. They never ever ever brought pressure. And what better way to let a seemingly struggling offense get into a groove than sitting back, giving manning time, and letting him make plays un-pressured? Week 1. Division game. Laying a TD.

IDK, I think I'm gonna lay off this one. It "looks" like a 38-24 kind of game or with this new XP thing a 40-25 kind of game.....but my instincts say stay away.

Yes, Dallas has the same D-coordinator as last year, Rod Marinelli.
He is one of the most respected coordinators in the league, and did a tremendous job last year with what he had to work with, talent wise.

This year the upgrade in talent on the Cowboys D is significant.
They have pro-bowl LBer Sean Lee back and healthy.
Drafted DE Randy Gregory, and thus far in camp and preseason he looks like the steal of the entire draft.
Drafted CB/S Byron Jones in 1st round, and the kid has done nothing but impress thus far.
Signed stud DE Greg Hardy, although suspended for 4 games.
Have a healthy Demarcus Lawrence at DE, who was injured most of last year, but is a beast when healthy.
Signed CB Corey White, who thus far has exceeded everyones expectations. This kid can flat out play. Not sure what happened to him with the Saints last year.

There are other notable players on defense, but you get my drift.
Undoubtedly, the Cowboys will release a D-lineman to get to 53 players, and that released player will be quickly signed by someone else. They have that much quality depth on the line.

With the kind of pressure everyone expects from the front, they will help hide any shortcomings on the back end ... and there will be little need to blitz  
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On paper, looks like Dallas rout, but I think I'm gonna just avoid this one completely.

Does Dallas have the same defensive coordinator? I don't like that last year the guy refused to blitz. I don't have numbers or stats in front of me, but i would be surprised if there was a team last year that blitzed less than the Cowboys. They never ever ever brought pressure. And what better way to let a seemingly struggling offense get into a groove than sitting back, giving manning time, and letting him make plays un-pressured? Week 1. Division game. Laying a TD.

IDK, I think I'm gonna lay off this one. It "looks" like a 38-24 kind of game or with this new XP thing a 40-25 kind of game.....but my instincts say stay away.

Yes, Dallas has the same D-coordinator as last year, Rod Marinelli.
He is one of the most respected coordinators in the league, and did a tremendous job last year with what he had to work with, talent wise.

This year the upgrade in talent on the Cowboys D is significant.
They have pro-bowl LBer Sean Lee back and healthy.
Drafted DE Randy Gregory, and thus far in camp and preseason he looks like the steal of the entire draft.
Drafted CB/S Byron Jones in 1st round, and the kid has done nothing but impress thus far.
Signed stud DE Greg Hardy, although suspended for 4 games.
Have a healthy Demarcus Lawrence at DE, who was injured most of last year, but is a beast when healthy.
Signed CB Corey White, who thus far has exceeded everyones expectations. This kid can flat out play. Not sure what happened to him with the Saints last year.

There are other notable players on defense, but you get my drift.
Undoubtedly, the Cowboys will release a D-lineman to get to 53 players, and that released player will be quickly signed by someone else. They have that much quality depth on the line.

With the kind of pressure everyone expects from the front, they will help hide any shortcomings on the back end ... and there will be little need to blitz  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:

On paper, looks like Dallas rout, but I think I'm gonna just avoid this one completely. Does Dallas have the same defensive coordinator? I don't like that last year the guy refused to blitz. I don't have numbers or stats in front of me, but i would be surprised if there was a team last year that blitzed less than the Cowboys. They never ever ever brought pressure. And what better way to let a seemingly struggling offense get into a groove than sitting back, giving manning time, and letting him make plays un-pressured? Week 1. Division game. Laying a TD. IDK, I think I'm gonna lay off this one. It "looks" like a 38-24 kind of game or with this new XP thing a 40-25 kind of game.....but my instincts say stay away.
Yes, Dallas has the same D-coordinator as last year, Rod Marinelli.He is one of the most respected coordinators in the league, and did a tremendous job last year with what he had to work with, talent wise.This year the upgrade in talent on the Cowboys D is significant.They have pro-bowl LBer Sean Lee back and healthy.Drafted DE Randy Gregory, and thus far in camp and preseason he looks like the steal of the entire draft.Drafted CB/S Byron Jones in 1st round, and the kid has done nothing but impress thus far.Signed stud DE Greg Hardy, although suspended for 4 games.Have a healthy Demarcus Lawrence at DE, who was injured most of last year, but is a beast when healthy.Signed CB Corey White, who thus far has exceeded everyones expectations. This kid can flat out play. Not sure what happened to him with the Saints last year.There are other notable players on defense, but you get my drift.Undoubtedly, the Cowboys will release a D-lineman to get to 53 players, and that released player will be quickly signed by someone else. They have that much quality depth on the line.With the kind of pressure everyone expects from the front, they will help hide any shortcomings on the back end ... and there will be little need to blitz[/Quote

Good stuff, Hugh. Posts like this are why I sift through A LOT of nonsense on the site written by baboons to find the nuggets of gold.

I'm still not sold on laying 6/7 points on Dallas on week 1, but you gave a great counter argument on the "main" reason I was planning to avoid wagering on this game(Dallas lack of pressure/blitzing possibly leaving Eli a lot of room to get comfortable and make things happen). If the improvements Dallas made translate into a lot of front 7 pressure AND without Marinelli bringing 5/6/7 guys to get said pressure....could be a looooong day for Eli.
This is a tricky week 1 card. I see EIGHT of 16 games where a road dog is laying 2.5 to 4 points and I believe KC will be a -1 or -2.5 favorite by kickoff as well. So 9 of 16 games and most of those home pups look UGLY. I think it's at the point where I'm gonna have to split this card in half and attack both separately. I just might be avoiding those 9 games completely(Although if SF ticks to +3, I do like them a lot).

Not many games are sticking out to me. Houston was my dark horse team this year in the AFC(along with Miami), but I don't like how they matchup with KC. I like the 49ers, lean Cleveland a bit, and also like Denver(would like to see that float to -4 before I lock it up).

But overall a tricky opening week. What are the rest of you guys leaning so far??
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Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:

On paper, looks like Dallas rout, but I think I'm gonna just avoid this one completely. Does Dallas have the same defensive coordinator? I don't like that last year the guy refused to blitz. I don't have numbers or stats in front of me, but i would be surprised if there was a team last year that blitzed less than the Cowboys. They never ever ever brought pressure. And what better way to let a seemingly struggling offense get into a groove than sitting back, giving manning time, and letting him make plays un-pressured? Week 1. Division game. Laying a TD. IDK, I think I'm gonna lay off this one. It "looks" like a 38-24 kind of game or with this new XP thing a 40-25 kind of game.....but my instincts say stay away.
Yes, Dallas has the same D-coordinator as last year, Rod Marinelli.He is one of the most respected coordinators in the league, and did a tremendous job last year with what he had to work with, talent wise.This year the upgrade in talent on the Cowboys D is significant.They have pro-bowl LBer Sean Lee back and healthy.Drafted DE Randy Gregory, and thus far in camp and preseason he looks like the steal of the entire draft.Drafted CB/S Byron Jones in 1st round, and the kid has done nothing but impress thus far.Signed stud DE Greg Hardy, although suspended for 4 games.Have a healthy Demarcus Lawrence at DE, who was injured most of last year, but is a beast when healthy.Signed CB Corey White, who thus far has exceeded everyones expectations. This kid can flat out play. Not sure what happened to him with the Saints last year.There are other notable players on defense, but you get my drift.Undoubtedly, the Cowboys will release a D-lineman to get to 53 players, and that released player will be quickly signed by someone else. They have that much quality depth on the line.With the kind of pressure everyone expects from the front, they will help hide any shortcomings on the back end ... and there will be little need to blitz[/Quote

Good stuff, Hugh. Posts like this are why I sift through A LOT of nonsense on the site written by baboons to find the nuggets of gold.

I'm still not sold on laying 6/7 points on Dallas on week 1, but you gave a great counter argument on the "main" reason I was planning to avoid wagering on this game(Dallas lack of pressure/blitzing possibly leaving Eli a lot of room to get comfortable and make things happen). If the improvements Dallas made translate into a lot of front 7 pressure AND without Marinelli bringing 5/6/7 guys to get said pressure....could be a looooong day for Eli.
This is a tricky week 1 card. I see EIGHT of 16 games where a road dog is laying 2.5 to 4 points and I believe KC will be a -1 or -2.5 favorite by kickoff as well. So 9 of 16 games and most of those home pups look UGLY. I think it's at the point where I'm gonna have to split this card in half and attack both separately. I just might be avoiding those 9 games completely(Although if SF ticks to +3, I do like them a lot).

Not many games are sticking out to me. Houston was my dark horse team this year in the AFC(along with Miami), but I don't like how they matchup with KC. I like the 49ers, lean Cleveland a bit, and also like Denver(would like to see that float to -4 before I lock it up).

But overall a tricky opening week. What are the rest of you guys leaning so far??
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