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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2025 - 8:35 AM ET #1

    i remember watching a game as a kid back in 70s. Reporter interviewing offensive lineman and to paraphrase the lineman " we beat the hell out of each other for 3 hours and a little skinny guy comes in for one play and he's the hero of the game" shaking his head referring to the FG kicker. That stuck with me. If NFL doesn't address problem it will suffer similar fate as NBA has with the 3 point shot. These guys played in different decades so go back to when they were rookies. What was a long FG back then ? Probably goes up 5-7 yds each decade. See where I am going with this. Your pregame analysis will not only include QB tendencies but also have to include FG kickers strengths, weaknesses, etc etc..They are hitting 60 yrders in college. 20 yrs from now you'll see 80 yrders in NFL. Then this game will evolve into Foot Ball. I'm sure proposals will include widening hash marks like college for harder angles. i agree with this but it's a band aid. Why not score the play accordingly in the spirit of American football. Simply put what's the objective of the offense- to get the ball in the end zone. Objective of defense- to prevent that from happening. So the closer the line of scrimmage is to the end zone the more points the kick is worth. Example would be 20 yardline or closer would be 4pts.  21-35 would be 3 pts. Outside 35 would be 2pts. This is just a quick example and can be tinkered with. Thus defense and offense rewarded in the spirit of the game

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    i remember watching a game as a kid back in 70s. Reporter interviewing offensive lineman and to paraphrase the lineman " we beat the hell out of each other for 3 hours and a little skinny guy comes in for one play and he's the hero of the game" shaking his head referring to the FG kicker. That stuck with me. If NFL doesn't address problem it will suffer similar fate as NBA has with the 3 point shot. These guys played in different decades so go back to when they were rookies. What was a long FG back then ? Probably goes up 5-7 yds each decade. See where I am going with this. Your pregame analysis will not only include QB tendencies but also have to include FG kickers strengths, weaknesses, etc etc..They are hitting 60 yrders in college. 20 yrs from now you'll see 80 yrders in NFL. Then this game will evolve into Foot Ball. I'm sure proposals will include widening hash marks like college for harder angles. i agree with this but it's a band aid. Why not score the play accordingly in the spirit of American football. Simply put what's the objective of the offense- to get the ball in the end zone. Objective of defense- to prevent that from happening. So the closer the line of scrimmage is to the end zone the more points the kick is worth. Example would be 20 yardline or closer would be 4pts.  21-35 would be 3 pts. Outside 35 would be 2pts. This is just a quick example and can be tinkered with. Thus defense and offense rewarded in the spirit of the game

     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2025 - 3:36 PM ET #2

    I have considered this and have wondered for years if they should make a FG worth fewer points the further out it is made from.  Maybe the same with 3pt shots in the NBA.  
    You are correct it should be the object to get into the opponent’s endzone, or as close as possible. 

    I get why they have changed the rules on so many things.  It is to make it more exciting for the fans.  It is also a continuation of the parity that was started under Rozelle, increased by Tagliabue and is continued under Goodell.  

    Now with the kickoff rules and better FG kickers, all you need is a halfway decent return and two or three first downs and you are pretty much in FG range.  
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    I have considered this and have wondered for years if they should make a FG worth fewer points the further out it is made from.  Maybe the same with 3pt shots in the NBA.  
    You are correct it should be the object to get into the opponent’s endzone, or as close as possible. 

    I get why they have changed the rules on so many things.  It is to make it more exciting for the fans.  It is also a continuation of the parity that was started under Rozelle, increased by Tagliabue and is continued under Goodell.  

    Now with the kickoff rules and better FG kickers, all you need is a halfway decent return and two or three first downs and you are pretty much in FG range.  
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2025 - 4:56 PM ET #3

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     i remember Dempseys FG. With the technology back then the FG seemed a mile away. It has to be deflating for defense to hold teams to around mid field and then lose because of a soccer style kicker that can kick it a mile. You will see 80 yd FGs which means you have to get to your own 35. The current rules favor the offense. They don't need any help. If they don't address the issue pre game shows will be telling you all about the kickers foot like the QB's arm. Its football not soccer. Get rid of that goofy push play too, its not rugby...as far as basketball Bobby Knight called it years ago when introduced, it will ruin game. The novelty has worn off. There wont be any need for Centers to hang around basket. Starting line ups will phase out Centers and some forwards as rebounds on 3 pt shots travel much further from basket.

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     i remember Dempseys FG. With the technology back then the FG seemed a mile away. It has to be deflating for defense to hold teams to around mid field and then lose because of a soccer style kicker that can kick it a mile. You will see 80 yd FGs which means you have to get to your own 35. The current rules favor the offense. They don't need any help. If they don't address the issue pre game shows will be telling you all about the kickers foot like the QB's arm. Its football not soccer. Get rid of that goofy push play too, its not rugby...as far as basketball Bobby Knight called it years ago when introduced, it will ruin game. The novelty has worn off. There wont be any need for Centers to hang around basket. Starting line ups will phase out Centers and some forwards as rebounds on 3 pt shots travel much further from basket.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2025 - 10:21 AM ET #4

    Good stuff peace_5peaceclover

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    Good stuff peace_5peaceclover

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2025 - 10:41 PM ET #5

    Did he just say that was his sixth  60 yarder? Thats what I'm talking about happening.

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    Did he just say that was his sixth  60 yarder? Thats what I'm talking about happening.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2025 - 11:00 PM ET #6

    Lionel Messi might be able to kick an 80 yard field goal. Agree with everything said.

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    Lionel Messi might be able to kick an 80 yard field goal. Agree with everything said.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2025 - 11:00 PM ET #7

    Lionel Messi might be able to kick an 80 yard field goal. Agree with everything said.

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    Lionel Messi might be able to kick an 80 yard field goal. Agree with everything said.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2025 - 11:00 PM ET #8

    Lionel Messi might be able to kick an 80 yard field goal. Agree with everything said.

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    Lionel Messi might be able to kick an 80 yard field goal. Agree with everything said.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 6, 2025 - 8:04 AM ET #9

    They could just narrow the goal post reallyhappy

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    They could just narrow the goal post reallyhappy

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2025 - 7:30 PM ET #10

    Colts/Seahawks game perfect example... 60 and 56 yd FGs.....defenses are doing their job and getting hosed cuz of this ....yes i suppose they could narrow goalposts but then how are you gonna compare kickers from the past.... it would be like shortening the distance between bases in baseball and somebody comes along and steals more bases then Henderson and he's annoited the best....just a band aid...NFL has to address this cuz its gonna happen a lot lot more

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    Colts/Seahawks game perfect example... 60 and 56 yd FGs.....defenses are doing their job and getting hosed cuz of this ....yes i suppose they could narrow goalposts but then how are you gonna compare kickers from the past.... it would be like shortening the distance between bases in baseball and somebody comes along and steals more bases then Henderson and he's annoited the best....just a band aid...NFL has to address this cuz its gonna happen a lot lot more

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2025 - 8:06 PM ET #11

    Ball can only go so far....never will see an 80 yd FG.  

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    Ball can only go so far....never will see an 80 yd FG.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2025 - 8:25 PM ET #12

    Make the field of play longer (and wider perhaps to keep it to “scale”).  100 yards relative to the modern day athlete and modern day game is the true issue.   No different than a 94’ basketball court, change the dimensions so that it’s scaled to the modern athlete and modern game.  It’s truly that simple.  

    When making the field (or court) of play longer and wider, you could also tweak the hash marks, the number of yards required for a first down, 3 point line, free throw line, pitchers mound (60’ 6” is dated), base paths, etc etc etc.  

    This is an issue in all sports but especially in football and basketball.  

     

    SCALE IT ALL!  

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    Make the field of play longer (and wider perhaps to keep it to “scale”).  100 yards relative to the modern day athlete and modern day game is the true issue.   No different than a 94’ basketball court, change the dimensions so that it’s scaled to the modern athlete and modern game.  It’s truly that simple.  

    When making the field (or court) of play longer and wider, you could also tweak the hash marks, the number of yards required for a first down, 3 point line, free throw line, pitchers mound (60’ 6” is dated), base paths, etc etc etc.  

    This is an issue in all sports but especially in football and basketball.  

     

    SCALE IT ALL!  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 14, 2025 - 9:12 PM ET #13

    yes in an ideal sports venue scaling it would be the answer if you could do with the flip of a button. But in reality to scale every field, court, rink etc would take so much energy and costs. And who will pay for such costs? Probably fans and/or taxpayers. And then when would you have to rescale the fields of play? every 2 yrs, 5 yrs 10 yrs? Depend on the sport or growth/size of athlete in the sport they play? Idk sounds like a complete mess to tackle. Even so that does not justify why a 70 yd FG is scored the same as 25 yarder when the objective is to reach the end zone.

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    yes in an ideal sports venue scaling it would be the answer if you could do with the flip of a button. But in reality to scale every field, court, rink etc would take so much energy and costs. And who will pay for such costs? Probably fans and/or taxpayers. And then when would you have to rescale the fields of play? every 2 yrs, 5 yrs 10 yrs? Depend on the sport or growth/size of athlete in the sport they play? Idk sounds like a complete mess to tackle. Even so that does not justify why a 70 yd FG is scored the same as 25 yarder when the objective is to reach the end zone.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2026 - 7:53 PM ET #14

    56 yarder.....chip shot in todays game

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    56 yarder.....chip shot in todays game

     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2026 - 1:22 PM ET #15

    Again in London.....spirit of game is lost...game becoming too dependent on FG kickers 

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    Again in London.....spirit of game is lost...game becoming too dependent on FG kickers 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2026 - 1:22 PM ET #16

    Again in London.....spirit of game is lost...game becoming too dependent on FG kickers 

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    Again in London.....spirit of game is lost...game becoming too dependent on FG kickers 

     
     
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